The front license plate, should you choose to install it, must be attached by drilling into the middle of the front bumper. My dealer gave me the option; I declined to install it, for purely aesthetic reasons. I live in a state that does require front and rear license plates; accordingly, I am engaged in civil disobedience.
If you are going to use a front plate, with the bracket (which comes with the vehicle), I recommend that your dealer perform the installation.
I have been reading the posts on this board for awhile, and am hoping for some good advice for my situation.
I currently drive a '95 BMW 3 series convertible with 150,000 miles on it. Love the car and it has been largely problem free. But, I am tiring of the lack of space. Due to the fact that I still want to keep a convertible for summertime and the car has higher miles and I would not get much for it (relatively- its worth more to me) I am going to keep it.
My car of choice to park with it in the driveway is an A6 that is about 2 years old. So far I am looking at a 99 or 2000 2.8 with quattro. I will use this car to commute in daily. I like the comfort, room, quality, and quattro security (I also ski, so ability to go in snow will be nice). I have driven a '98 before, and know the power is lesser than the new 3.0, however, I am fine with that.
Since I am in no real hurry, I am looking to get the vehicle in the next year. I would like to find one with the color etc that I'd like. I've started looking in the paper/online and I have seen examples with about 30K miles running anywhere from $23,000 to about $27,000 or so at dealers and at places like Carmax.
I really like the car, but my question is: Is this a smart purchase (this model as a used vehicle)? Are there any problems I should look for in the vehicle? I know these are machines and do not expect them to be perfect- I value the German driving experience most. However, I would like to be educated about the vehicle's background.
Also, would you all suggest buying used from an Audi dealer or someone like Carmax, or would you think it safe to also buy from another regular dealer (my local Chevy dealer has one right now) if the price is right? I am in the Baltimore/DC area.
Many thanks for your opinions/insight! I look forward to being an A6 owner!
It'd be in your best interest to purchase the car used from an Audi dealership as an Audi Assured Certified Pre Owned Car. You'll get an extended powertrain warranty (Not sure how long, check audiusa.com for details) and the car will be backed by Audi. Buying the car from your local Chevy dealer will be cheaper (in the short run), but buying the car from an Audi dealer will make more sense especially if you plan on keeping the car for a long time.
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I am in the Los Angeles area and I am about to buy this car. It has 5200 miles, Silver/Onyx ambition interior (black), Bose, Sport, Premium, and prefered luxury package. Private Owner needs to sell because he just bought another car for his wife. The guy is a car nut and loaded $$$. It looks like we may have an agreement on $35,000. Is this a good price?
I have read the past 1000 or so posts on this board, and now I am a bit more familiar with Audi's and some of their problems (brakes purring, fuels sender units,etc). Never owned an Audi before. Anything special I should look for for this model year. I would like to keep the car for 5-6 years which is a couple of years past its warranty. From all the posts I have read, it sounds like getting an extended warranty is a must. Any recommendations? Thanks for your comments in advance,
Howdy, Brad. I haven't investigated Audi Assured in detail, but I once got a loaner that was used and for sale with an Audi Assured sticker on the windshield. It was dirty inside, and had several obvious things that were broken, including the Tip operation of the tranny. Many of these cars are coming off lease, and I've been told many lessees often do not take care of them. My understanding is that Audi Assured is essentially just an extended warranty. I'd compare it to other available 3rd party extended warranties for coverage and length of warranty vs. cost. If you're planning on keeping it for awhile - 7 years, 100K isn't too much. It currently costs about $10K to replace a tranny. I'd also check with Carfax to learn the history of the car, and not rely on what you're told. It's also very important to give the car an extended test drive on both city/rural and highway. Check the brakes, steering, etc. Common problems include some front suspension components and valve deposits with associated cold start problems.
I believe Audi changed the Tip gearing beginning in late model year 2000 to provide better acceleration from a stop. By all accounts the difference is substantial. Good luck!
OK, I wimped out on the "plus zero" idea due to posts here and on AudiWorld. I ordered Yokohama AVS dB (205-55-16) from Discount Tire who came in with the low bid: $488 installed. I did, for the record shop around, including Tirerack.com.
I should be ready to go by Monday and will update here after a few thousand miles or so. I'm hoping that my experiences will resemble Markincincinnati's!
Why did you "wimp" out on the plus zero idea? Please explain. I did this before to my '98 Eclipse GS-T Spyder went from 205 55 16 to 225 50 16 and the improvement was tremendous. I only kept the car for about 10,000 miles after I did this so I don't know if there would be any long term negative(s) to the suspension. Was this your concern?
Thanks tim and brad for your thoughts. I would be sure to check out any vehicle thoroughly before I bought it... carfax/mechanic etc. I always make sure to go on really long test drives before I buy anything. (Cant believe that there are those that do not!)
I do plan on keeping the car awhile, so I may think about an extended warranty. I know what you mean reagrding buying from a random dealer to save some $. May not be worth it.
Does anyone have any thoughts on an avant instead of a sedan? I actually was considering it, as I always seem to be hauling stuff around and borrowing my brothers SUV to do so... so the avant sort of makes sense, but all my friends think its crazy for me, a single guy, even to consider a "wagon". Even though its a damn nice "wagon". I think it has all the pluses of an SUV without any of the annoying parts.
I think the avants would be harder to find used though....but would it be a better deal?
Let's start with a nutty one...I HATE the roof rails all the Euro wagons have as standard. They ruin the looks or the car-they take away a lot of "sleekness". They add wind noise,ESPICALLY with the sunroof open. And if you buy crossbars so you can really use them,they add a LOT of wind noise,so much that in most cars a sunroof and crossbars are unworkable. A wagon will have a little bit more rear headroom,so passengers can sit a bit more upright-adds a bit or leg room by doing this. With the open cavity in the back,you'll get a little bit more roar when all windows closed. Also,can't be as tight as the sedan counterpart. of course,it's all relative. An A6,like a Merc E320 wagon,is very quiet and tight. But those two sedans are even more so. As no where as many wagons were made compared to the sedans,I'd think the wagon market is more of a seller's,as opposed to a buyer's,market. I'm not against the wagon,though. It is far more practical.And the Audi is really a very handsome wagon. Even if you are single,I'd say as the owner of such a fine car,you'll be a hit around town.
I think the A6 is about the best looking wagon around. I prefer the Avant to the allroad aesthetically. Sedan or Avant? To me it comes down to aesthetics and need. If you like the way the Avant looks better than the sedan, get it. You'll lose little or nothing. And if you can fit more stuff in an Avant, and need to do so, get it. It still looks great. But if you're specifically in love with the looks of the sedan, and don't absolutely need a wagon, I'd get the sedan.
I like the regular avant too, it is the nicest looking wagon on the road in my opinion. Hate the way the allroad looks! But, I am not buying new, so it doesnt matter. I may have to really consider the wagon. Even my parents are like "you're in your late 20's and you are considering buying a wagon?" Its pretty funny. I'll have to really look at my wants/needs come purchase time. I do know, that whatever version I get, I'd like silver with black interior, or black with black int.
I think all european cars look good in silver and black.
Bslate, if you're still looking at a used A6, I may have some info for you on a 1999 1/2 (2000 spec). You can send me a private email at: ajayme@earthlink.net
Don't forget that the back seats fold down in the sedan. The pass-through into the backseat area is the full height and width of the trunk and this makes the hauling capacity of the sedan almost as much as the avant (unless you're planning on hauling bulky things that need the headroom in the back). I carry a plastic sheet in the trunk that I spread out when I make my "Home Depot" runs. I've carried lumber, pvc pipe, mulch, concrete, and most everything else with no problem.
bslate, I don't know where you live but I do know that where I live (Seattle) there are always more Avants advertised than sedans. But, I suppose it varies from region-to-region.
New to the Board - I'm interested in a used (15-30K mile) A6 for my wife (she wants a 5-Series, I'm leaning toward Audi). I'd like to find out: -When the body changed to the current look; -What is the factory warranty; -What options are essential (we live in Michigan); and -Where can I go to see what was standard/optional in the different model years. Many thanks in advance. Great Board.
I believe the current A6 debuted in 1998 (maybe '97). The Audi factory warranty is 4 years or 50,000 miles (whichever comes first). I'm not sure what the Audi Assured Certified Pre Owned Warranty covers (if you buy the car from a dealer). Essential options for Michigan...Quattro, Heated Seats (You may want a xcar with a sunroof, leather...)
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Current body style began in model year '98. 4 year 50K started with '01 model year. Prior to that it was 3/50. As Brad suggestd, I agree that quattro and heated seats are desirable for Michigan.
A6's are expensive cars to maintain/repair out of warranty. (As are BMW's) A new quattro tip tranny would cost you about $10K. I'd want to include the cost of a GOOD extended warranty in the planned purchase cost of the car. Third party companies also sell them, and may be a better source than Audi.
If you are interested in performance, and want to more closely approximate a 5-Serries, you should consider an upgrade from the base engine and suspension. In addition to the 2.8, there is also a 2.7T V6 turbo, and 4.2 V8. A sport suspension is available with either of the two more powerful engines. It also includes sport seats, and I would strongly recommend it, if the sport seats are comfortable for you.
I've got brochures for both 2000 & '01 model years. If you have specific questions, you can e-mail and I'd be happy to tell you what they have to say.
You might also want to visit Audi World's web site. There's a lot of knowledge and information there also. Edmunds is tops for price research, including used costs.
Repeat after me -- I will get an extended warranty, I will get an extended warranty, I will get an extended warranty.
Other than that, I would try to find a 2.7T -- but and here is a shocker: a used 4.2 may cost less -- my dealer says that they are very very difficult to sell used.
I have had two of them (A6 4.2's that is) and they are wonderful cars. I leased mine new, and my 2001 4.2 is now "half over" on the lease and the 2000 4.2 I traded in STILL HAS NOT BEEN SOLD (and that was 15 months ago). It had about 27K miles on it and EVERY OPTION -- they can't seem to give it away. And it was in excellent condition (pearl green with melange).
The 2.7T's on the other hand seem to sell quickly (used that is).
as to why the V8s do not sell. Is there some sort of advantage the other engines have over them? Is the mileage that much better in the 2.8/2.7? How much do they want for your 2000 and why haven't they taken it to auction? Is auction (through a broker) the economical way to go when buying a vehicle like this? Am I asking too many questions? Thanks for the replies - most helpful...
The 2.7T is a faster car (0-60mph times at least). The mileage will be much better on a Bi-Turbo V-6 than a V-8. Especially cruising on the highway at 65-75mph, the 2.7T is essentially a regular 2.7 Liter V-6 when the turbos aren't doing their thing. You'll get a smoother ride from the 4.2. More power from the top end. 40 valve V-8s have endless power, I'm sure Mark can attest to this.
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The 4.2 is faster, the 2.7T is quicker -- yet, in the US, they are equally fast as they are top speed limited to 130mph.
The differences between the cars is principally one of "feel" -- to me the 4.2 feels even more solid than the 2.7T (this is due, in part, to the fact that the car despite extensive use of aluminum IS HEAVIER), consequently it is very very smooth even with the 40 series 255 x 17 tires. The content of the 4.2 is also up from a 2.7T too. The steering column is totally adjustable -- electrically, for example. You may debate the merit of some of the "stuff" that is on a 4.2 , but it IS higher in content. From a "look" standpoint, the 4.2 has bulging front fenders and overall is styled more agressively (but, make no mistake the differences are generally subtle).
The sound of a 4.2, too, is visceral -- the thing growls and seems as if it will never run out of urge -- not to belittle the 2.7T, but the V6 doesn't have the same sound, nor the same power once your going above 30mph or so. But, the 2.7T sounds sweet too -- just not as bosso-profundo (if you get my drift). There is simultaneously a sense of isolation in the 4.2 and a heightened "sense of touch" -- Audi's ads said something like "Power meet Grace." I guess that sort of sums it up.
Now, who knows why after 15 months they have the car sitting on the lot (acutally I think they have 2 A6 4.2's, one a 2000 and one a 2001 with sport (black with melange)).
They had a lease price on it (my old 2000) of $499/month or perhaps $569/month (yes I said lease and I know it is used). I don't know the term or if any cap cost was required for that payment -- but generally they lease young used cars for a maximum of 36 months.
I have driven from Pittsburgh to Cincinnati without stopping and bettered 24mpg at speeds that from time to time exceeded 85mph -- I do not know what a 2.7T would do under similar circumstances. I seem to feel that I fill up my 4.2 a lot less than my 1999 A6 2.8 -- but I also know that the 4.2 has a bigger gas tank.
So, for pure fun, get a late model used 2.7T with a 6spd manual and some of the goodies that probably came with the thing. But, perhaps you could find a young 4.2 for less -- based on only my personal observation (black or blue book be damned, i.e.).
From all reports I've read, the differences in fuel consumption between the 2.7T and 4.2 aren't that great. Neither gets wonderful mileage.
Performance differences low down are negligible unless you chip the 2.7T, and tend to favor the 4.2 higher up.
Don't know why a used 4.2 would sit around vs. a 2.7T, unless the seller wants a lot more money for the 4.2. Even up, I'd always pick the 4.2. A lot more 2.7T's get sold than 4.2's. Maybe that's why dealer's could want more. Haven't explored Edmunds on this. Do they differentiate A6 models?
Discussion of extended warranty has piqued my interest (again). A while back there were a couple of sources listed for extended warranty. I don't recall where it was - and the extended warranty board isn't a lot of help. Anyway - can anyone recommend a source for extended warranty? Still no problems with the car - now over 12K miles.
Went to the dealer last night and ordered a 2002 Ming Blue Audi A6 3.0Q with Black Leather, Convenience Package, Heated Seats, Preferred Luxury package, & Premium Package. They've been Mercedes-benz owners for the past 12 years. The A6 will replace my Mom's '98 CLK 320. My dad tried to convince her to go for the 2.7T, but she dove it and though it was TOO FAST! Personally I didn't know such a term existed. For a daily driver, my Mom should be more than happy with the car.
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I have posted this info before, but can't recall if on this site or on Audiworld.com.
At any rate, I purchased a very comprehensive 7/100 plan for my '99 A6 when the car was a year old. My factory warranty expires this coming August, and then I will be under the scope of the extended warranty, which I purchased (through the broker who sold me the car)from Heritage, a GE company. Go to GE.com, click on Insurance, then Auto and you will be taken to a menu that includes Auto Warranty products.
My plan is very comprehensive and includes surcharges for AWD, zero deductible, and a money-back feature (if you don't ever use the policy they'll give you your money back at the end of the term). I checked over the exclusions very thoroughly and also checked Heritage out with both dealers who are or will be servicing my car. The company checked out very positively - a pleasure to do business with, according to the Service Advisor at the University Audi store here in Seattle where I'm presently a customer.
My plan was $1,550, but it may be higher now; depends on the time and mileage on the car.
The SA above who liked Heritage also voluntarily warned to stay away from Wynn's (the friction-proofing company). He said they were no longer any good and his firm was no longer accepting work from them.
I recently purchased 01 2.7T with 17K miles and the remainder of factory warranty from non-Audi dealer. I will definitely purchase comprehensive extended warranty but am wondering if there is any reason to spend the money now or wait a couple of years until nearer the end of factory warranty. The online pricing by WarrantyGold appears to increase only about $100/year for each year you wait. Thanks for your input.
Great information on the 4.2/2.7T question. Now I just need to sell her '99 Saab and we'll be in business. Based on the above, I'm leaning 4.2 if I find one that works price-wise. I may be back to run some prices/features by you if that's OK. You folks really love your cars...
I am looking at an 2000 A6 2.8T Quattro in excellent condition for my wife. I keep reading horror stories about problems with this car. The car looks gorgeous and drives exceptionally well. Any comments (positive or negative)?
Our last several A6's have been 1999's and, now, a 2002. While the cars have been quite pleasurable, each has suffered from some problems, primarily electrical.
The most recent acquisition, a 2002 A6, has 5,500 miles. It was in for a minor body repair; out of an excess of caution, I asked for the car to be put through the electronic diagnostic. It indicated a problem with the exhaust camshaft. When examined further, it was diagnosed as a defective wiring harness. The part has been shipped from New Jersey. The car should be ready in another day or so.
When I commenced buying Audi's several years ago, my familiarity, or lack thereof, with the marque was such that I decided to lease. There is security in 36 months, 50,000 miles, and out. It has turned out to be a good decision.
Like most other on this board, I enjoy Audi's for their style and unique blend of performance and safety. I do not regret the decisions to lease.
However, as Car and Driver stated about a year ago, Audi has to remember to "sweat the details". If we as loyal customers do not demand proper attention to quality and reliability, the interest in our favorite brand will wane. Further, I see no reason why there should be a dramatic difference in quality control between Toyota/Lexus and Honda/Acura, and VW/Audi. I am willing to accept a reasonable amount of deficiencies; however, my patience, while not exhausted, is wearing thin.
While I, hopefully, look forward to many more years of Audi ownership, we enthusiasts must learn not to be as accepting of correctable flaws, and more demanding as consumers.
I think the counselors call it "tough love".
By the way: I completely concur with the recommendations to purchase a good extended warranty. One should shop for this in the same manner as insurance: i.e. is the company solvent, and does it pay its claims? An all encompassing warranty is worthless if the repair is not paid for.
As one of the longer term guys on this board, I'm pleased to say that the only "electrical" probs. on my 99 1/2 A6 2.8 was the fuel gauge recall other than that at 24K miles and over 30 mos., this is approaching the reliability of previous Japanese cars, i.e. Honda-Accord, Nissan Maxima. No complaints, in fact I've been spoiled so my next car will probably have to be another A6-the A4's just don't cut it. (No flames please-I got to drive an A4-3.0 for the weekend and it's not an A6!). Jus tmy 2 cents worth from a very happy longer term A6 owner!
Knock-on-wood, '01 2.7T 17K and doing just fine. Concur with your assessment of '02 3.0 A4 Allen, though there are plenty of aspects I hope they DO incorporate in the next generation A6. But overall, it's just not as plush as an A6.
What a day! The 24 hours at Daytona ends this afternoon and then comes the Superbowl! I am about to buy a 2001 A6 new from the dealer. They have 6 A6 2.7T's and one 4.2 on the lot. I have narrowed it down to eaither the a fully loaded 2.7T or the fully loaded 4.2. I have driven both and can feel that the 2.7 is a tad quicker off the line, but I seem to be able to match this in the "shift mode" of the 4.2. The price on eaither is dealer invoice, gotta make room for the '02's. My question is: What do you like/dont' like about the two models? Any opinions would be appreciated to help in adding to my already tough decision. Thanks. Steve
Steve, the board has just had a discussion of this issue, if you haven't checked some of the earlier posts.
An '01 is 1 1/2 years old now. I'd try to get the dealer below invoice. Check Edmunds pricing for the used price if they have it. When you buy the car that's all it'll be worth. (Though, no doubt, its intangible value to you is much higher.)
I'd take a 4.2 hands down over a 2.7T, unless I planned to mod it. And maybe even then. Based on looks alone, the 4.2 is even substantially better looking. The 4.2 drivetrain is more robust and will cruise effortlessly at low Rpm's and pull hard at any speed all the way up to the governor. Though you may never explore it, it's been reported that the 2.7T runs out of grunt at the highest speeds. An even greater differentiation than 4.2 or 2.7T is the sport package. If the sport seats are comfortable for you, the sport suspension is invaluable. Though if you have a non-sport 2.7T, you can mod the suspension up to sport suspension specs for around $1,700.
I completely agree with Tim -- I have a 2001 4.2 with sport and all options except CD changer.
But, you did not mention how you planned to acquire the car: cash, finance or lease. The financing options from either a conventional bank or Audi financial may make this decision a little more confusing or easier. It all depends.
For sheer car, though, go for the V8 -- unless you can get the 2.7T with the stick and sport package vs a non-sport 4.2. Having had one of each (a 2000 4.2 non-sport and a 2001 with sport) the differences favor the sport set up.
I agree also that the 4.2 looks more agressive.
I only see two options for acquiring this car make $ense -- cash or leasing (unless there happens to be 0% financing available -- which I highly doubt). If you lease, do so with no money down, and unless you plan to keep this car for a long long time, I would not lease for more than 39 months. I leased mine for 30 months with no money down, no sec dep and Audi even made the first month's payment (of course this is only available for previous Audi owners).
The top end urge of the 4.2 is greater than the 2.7T, but frankly this is only of concern if you regularly and frequently drive over 100mph. Of course, if the 2.7T has the auto trans -- well again the advantage, IMO, goes to the 4.2.
You should really get a good deal and you will have a really great car.
I've read back on this board a couple of years (and just about anywhere else on the www), looking for "problems" and "positive" comments on the 2.7T and 4.2. I admit I am leaning toward the 4.2 because of styling. I am also trying to get an answer about the REAR side airbags. Are they set up for a kid sitting back there or a full grown adult? Can the dealer deactivate them? NTHSA said they should be off for children unless the manufacturer has installed them with kids in mind. So far no reply from Audi. Thanks, Steve.
Steve, when I was looking for a car with rear airbags last December, the salesman said they were designed with adults in the back seat,and they are not recommended for families with little children. He asked me if I had small kids before he decided to look for those options. Maybe you'd like to check out the details. I got the '02 2.7T 6M with sport, on Mark's recommendations. It's a pleasure to drive. At my age (I'm 51 years old) I don't need a bigger engine because I can't afford to have an accident or a speeding ticket. Buy what you like, just make sure you try each one out before you decide. This board helped me decide, and all posters are very helpful. Good luck with your choice. Cheers!
Interested in test driving the A6 - looking for a change from my '99 Lexus LS400. I want to get back to a German car - had a 325i - but also interested in AWD but not an SUV. Anyways, the A6 seems to fit the bill plus it's a little more low key then the omnipresent E-class/5 series. Anyone have any insight/experience with the Atl. dealers??
Everytime I see someone who went for the 6spd M and the sport package, I get a little green with envy -- and I do love my 4.2. What tires came with your 2.7T and how have you found the manual transmission? I got to drive my wife's TT this weekend and then getting back into my A6 seemed a little bit of a letdown -- the Tip is nice, but it doesn't convince me that I'm really doing anything other than trying to outsmart the computer.
At least I've got the sport package!
Here's hoping for either a manual A6 V8 (or 2.9T V6) or a manual S4!
We were concerned about this when we bought our '99. However, Audi (and the dealer confirmed it) said that the rear airbags could be deactivated. You, the owner, would just have to sign a release of liability.
We never had it done, however. We don't have kids, but we did have a small dog, so that was our concern. She's since passed away of natural causes so it's now a total non-issue with us. What I wish we had were the side-curtain airbags, but they didn't show up until the 2000 model year.
The car came with Conti's, 235/45 R17 all season hi-perfs. You're the one who convinced me about the Sport Package, and I really can't live with an automatic, a million thanks again to you for your invaluable advice. I'll look at the multitronic if it becomes available in 2 years for the A8 with quattro. I love the 6M because I can really fly and leave the other cars far behind, with the turbo. BTW, my nephew with a BMW was drooling when he saw the car. He was kicking himself for going for the brand or image rather than the performance and value.
an audi dealer is authorized to deactivate the rear side airbags, as i had mine turned off before delivery. perhaps it's a decision ultimately left to each dealer's discretion, but for sure it can be done. there was a one-page release to sign, as well as the required delivery by the dealer of warning stickers regarding the deactivation that i guess are supposed to be adhered to the inside of my rear doors. as you can imagine, they are in my glove box.
if you happen to do any further research and find that an authoritative source does recommend keeping them active, please post the info. although my dealer recommended deactivation, i'm still somewhat concerned since my son's carseat is in the right rear position, not center.
OK A6 fans, I have heard and read and even seen what MAY be a 2003 A6. It looks evolved into a more new A4 look -- it is quite handsome really.
Also, I read and have seen chats about a 2.9T engine that is "almost ready for prime time."
Finally, I read that for our shores (North America) anyway the likely engine in the new S4 will be a V8 to keep up with the HP war with the BMW M3 (which while I find exciting, I also can say that for me a 2.9T in an A4 body ripping out something like 275 to 300HP and that lovely Audi low end torque -- well, that would be O-Tay!).
Anyway, if any of the above stuff is true, wouldn't you think that AoA would import the following line up to America:
1. A6 3.0 2. A6 2.9T 3. A6 4.2 4. S6 Avant and Sedan version (possibly) and maybe, just maybe an RS6 (perhaps not).
And, in keeping with their history, the 2.9T would also be available in the allroad and the 2.9T engine would be the only A6 (and I am calling the allroad and A6, too) with a 6spd manual.
Morever, the CVT transmission will be made available in the A6 3.0 quattro -- don't know about the 4.2 -- CVT might be a bit longer coming for that engine. And, I've read that there is a 6spd Tip in the wings for the upcoming A8, and of course that would then trickle down to the A6 a model year or two later, one would imagine.
So -- what's the latest and greatest skinny on the new USA version of the A6 for either calendar 2003 or model year 2003?
I am a bit perplexed that there is virtually no interest, on this board, in the A6 3.0. We have a 2.7T and a new A6 3.0 Avant; The comparison is most intriguing.
We would not have purchased another 2.8. It was a fine car, but uninspiring. (nor could I talk my wife into an S6 Avant; more's the pity). The new 3.0 has been close to a revelation. It feels far more lively than its extra "10%" would indicate. Driven back to back with the 2.7T, the similarities are quite noticeable (by the way: the 2.7T is an automatic). It is the first normally aspirated "six", that Audi has produced, that has genuine performance. While there can never be enough power and torque, I urge anyone considering a new or late model Audi to at least drive the 3.0. It may be that the 2.9T is an attempt to enlarge the performance gap as regards the 3.0.
A brief update on my "electrical" problem: one of the engine wiring harnesses was designed in such a fashion (too short) that it wrapped around an engine part so tightly, thus wearing through and shorting out. The replacement harness, sent from New Jersey, was longer, hence solving the problem.
Mark, I've heard and read many of the same things you've recounted. Except that I think we're looking at a redesigned A6 for the model year '04 (late calendar year '03) at the earliest. I've also read/heard about a 2.9T, but I've also read that the new engine for the S4 would be a W8, and would also appear in an A6. The 3.0 is an aluminum block vs. cast iron block for the 2.8. The 2.7T was destroked to allow thicker cylinder walls to accommodate the greater pressures from forced induction. I don't know if the 3.0 is as amenable to forced induction.
I drove a 3.0 A4 that was pretty new and borrowed. So I would only drive it very gently, and it still felt as if not yet broken in. But given those conditions, it didn't feel anywhere near as powerful as my 2.7T. I suspect though that a more completely broken in engine and a more liberal application of throttle would have more closely approximated the 2.7T. And also, different cars of the same typed CAN differ substantially in performance.
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If you are going to use a front plate, with the bracket (which comes with the vehicle), I recommend that your dealer perform the installation.
I have been reading the posts on this board for awhile, and am hoping for some good advice for my situation.
I currently drive a '95 BMW 3 series convertible with 150,000 miles on it. Love the car and it has been largely problem free. But, I am tiring of the lack of space. Due to the fact that I still want to keep a convertible for summertime and the car has higher miles and I would not get much for it (relatively- its worth more to me) I am going to keep it.
My car of choice to park with it in the driveway is an A6 that is about 2 years old. So far I am looking at a 99 or 2000 2.8 with quattro. I will use this car to commute in daily. I like the comfort, room, quality, and quattro security (I also ski, so ability to go in snow will be nice). I have driven a '98 before, and know the power is lesser than the new 3.0, however, I am fine with that.
Since I am in no real hurry, I am looking to get the vehicle in the next year. I would like to find one with the color etc that I'd like. I've started looking in the paper/online and I have seen examples with about 30K miles running anywhere from $23,000 to about $27,000 or so at dealers and at places like Carmax.
I really like the car, but my question is: Is this a smart purchase (this model as a used vehicle)? Are there any problems I should look for in the vehicle? I know these are machines and do not expect them to be perfect- I value the German driving experience most. However, I would like to be educated about the vehicle's background.
Also, would you all suggest buying used from an Audi dealer or someone like Carmax, or would you think it safe to also buy from another regular dealer (my local Chevy dealer has one right now) if the price is right? I am in the Baltimore/DC area.
Many thanks for your opinions/insight! I look forward to being an A6 owner!
Brad
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
I have read the past 1000 or so posts on this board, and now I am a bit more familiar with Audi's and some of their problems (brakes purring, fuels sender units,etc). Never owned an Audi before. Anything special I should look for for this model year. I would like to keep the car for 5-6 years which is a couple of years past its warranty. From all the posts I have read, it sounds like getting an extended warranty is a must. Any recommendations?
Thanks for your comments in advance,
h.
I believe Audi changed the Tip gearing beginning in late model year 2000 to provide better acceleration from a stop. By all accounts the difference is substantial. Good luck!
I should be ready to go by Monday and will update here after a few thousand miles or so. I'm hoping that my experiences will resemble Markincincinnati's!
I did this before to my '98 Eclipse GS-T Spyder went from 205 55 16 to 225 50 16 and the improvement was tremendous. I only kept the car for about 10,000 miles after I did this so I don't know if there would be any long term negative(s) to the suspension. Was this your concern?
Spyderred
I do plan on keeping the car awhile, so I may think about an extended warranty. I know what you mean reagrding buying from a random dealer to save some $. May not be worth it.
Does anyone have any thoughts on an avant instead of a sedan? I actually was considering it, as I always seem to be hauling stuff around and borrowing my brothers SUV to do so... so the avant sort of makes sense, but all my friends think its crazy for me, a single guy, even to consider a "wagon". Even though its a damn nice "wagon". I think it has all the pluses of an SUV without any of the annoying parts.
I think the avants would be harder to find used though....but would it be a better deal?
Brad
A wagon will have a little bit more rear headroom,so passengers can sit a bit more upright-adds a bit or leg room by doing this.
With the open cavity in the back,you'll get a little bit more roar when all windows closed. Also,can't be as tight as the sedan counterpart.
of course,it's all relative. An A6,like a Merc E320 wagon,is very quiet and tight. But those two sedans are even more so.
As no where as many wagons were made compared to the sedans,I'd think the wagon market is more of a seller's,as opposed to a buyer's,market.
I'm not against the wagon,though. It is far more practical.And the Audi is really a very handsome wagon. Even if you are single,I'd say as the owner of such a fine car,you'll be a hit around town.
I like the regular avant too, it is the nicest looking wagon on the road in my opinion. Hate the way the allroad looks! But, I am not buying new, so it doesnt matter. I may have to really consider the wagon. Even my parents are like "you're in your late 20's and you are considering buying a wagon?" Its pretty funny. I'll have to really look at my wants/needs come purchase time. I do know, that whatever version I get, I'd like silver with black interior, or black with black int.
I think all european cars look good in silver and black.
Quattro helps, of course, but there's always the long term effect and I will keep this car a while.
For the record, I'm a 100% stock kind of guy anyway...
-When the body changed to the current look;
-What is the factory warranty;
-What options are essential (we live in Michigan); and
-Where can I go to see what was standard/optional in the different model years.
Many thanks in advance. Great Board.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
A6's are expensive cars to maintain/repair out of warranty. (As are BMW's) A new quattro tip tranny would cost you about $10K. I'd want to include the cost of a GOOD extended warranty in the planned purchase cost of the car. Third party companies also sell them, and may be a better source than Audi.
If you are interested in performance, and want to more closely approximate a 5-Serries, you should consider an upgrade from the base engine and suspension. In addition to the 2.8, there is also a 2.7T V6 turbo, and 4.2 V8. A sport suspension is available with either of the two more powerful engines. It also includes sport seats, and I would strongly recommend it, if the sport seats are comfortable for you.
I've got brochures for both 2000 & '01 model years. If you have specific questions, you can e-mail and I'd be happy to tell you what they have to say.
You might also want to visit Audi World's web site. There's a lot of knowledge and information there also. Edmunds is tops for price research, including used costs.
Other than that, I would try to find a 2.7T -- but and here is a shocker: a used 4.2 may cost less -- my dealer says that they are very very difficult to sell used.
I have had two of them (A6 4.2's that is) and they are wonderful cars. I leased mine new, and my 2001 4.2 is now "half over" on the lease and the 2000 4.2 I traded in STILL HAS NOT BEEN SOLD (and that was 15 months ago). It had about 27K miles on it and EVERY OPTION -- they can't seem to give it away. And it was in excellent condition (pearl green with melange).
The 2.7T's on the other hand seem to sell quickly (used that is).
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
The differences between the cars is principally one of "feel" -- to me the 4.2 feels even more solid than the 2.7T (this is due, in part, to the fact that the car despite extensive use of aluminum IS HEAVIER), consequently it is very very smooth even with the 40 series 255 x 17 tires. The content of the 4.2 is also up from a 2.7T too. The steering column is totally adjustable -- electrically, for example. You may debate the merit of some of the "stuff" that is on a 4.2 , but it IS higher in content. From a "look" standpoint, the 4.2 has bulging front fenders and overall is styled more agressively (but, make no mistake the differences are generally subtle).
The sound of a 4.2, too, is visceral -- the thing growls and seems as if it will never run out of urge -- not to belittle the 2.7T, but the V6 doesn't have the same sound, nor the same power once your going above 30mph or so. But, the 2.7T sounds sweet too -- just not as bosso-profundo (if you get my drift). There is simultaneously a sense of isolation in the 4.2 and a heightened "sense of touch" -- Audi's ads said something like "Power meet Grace." I guess that sort of sums it up.
Now, who knows why after 15 months they have the car sitting on the lot (acutally I think they have 2 A6 4.2's, one a 2000 and one a 2001 with sport (black with melange)).
They had a lease price on it (my old 2000) of $499/month or perhaps $569/month (yes I said lease and I know it is used). I don't know the term or if any cap cost was required for that payment -- but generally they lease young used cars for a maximum of 36 months.
I have driven from Pittsburgh to Cincinnati without stopping and bettered 24mpg at speeds that from time to time exceeded 85mph -- I do not know what a 2.7T would do under similar circumstances. I seem to feel that I fill up my 4.2 a lot less than my 1999 A6 2.8 -- but I also know that the 4.2 has a bigger gas tank.
So, for pure fun, get a late model used 2.7T with a 6spd manual and some of the goodies that probably came with the thing. But, perhaps you could find a young 4.2 for less -- based on only my personal observation (black or blue book be damned, i.e.).
From all reports I've read, the differences in fuel consumption between the 2.7T and 4.2 aren't that great. Neither gets wonderful mileage.
Performance differences low down are negligible unless you chip the 2.7T, and tend to favor the 4.2 higher up.
Don't know why a used 4.2 would sit around vs. a 2.7T, unless the seller wants a lot more money for the 4.2. Even up, I'd always pick the 4.2. A lot more 2.7T's get sold than 4.2's. Maybe that's why dealer's could want more. Haven't explored Edmunds on this. Do they differentiate A6 models?
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
At any rate, I purchased a very comprehensive 7/100 plan for my '99 A6 when the car was a year old. My factory warranty expires this coming August, and then I will be under the scope of the extended warranty, which I purchased (through the broker who sold me the car)from Heritage, a GE company. Go to GE.com, click on Insurance, then Auto and you will be taken to a menu that includes Auto Warranty products.
My plan is very comprehensive and includes surcharges for AWD, zero deductible, and a money-back feature (if you don't ever use the policy they'll give you your money back at the end of the term). I checked over the exclusions very thoroughly and also checked Heritage out with both dealers who are or will be servicing my car. The company checked out very positively - a pleasure to do business with, according to the Service Advisor at the University Audi store here in Seattle where I'm presently a customer.
My plan was $1,550, but it may be higher now; depends on the time and mileage on the car.
The SA above who liked Heritage also voluntarily warned to stay away from Wynn's (the friction-proofing company). He said they were no longer any good and his firm was no longer accepting work from them.
Good luck.
I will definitely purchase comprehensive extended warranty but am wondering if there is any reason to spend the money now or wait a couple of years until nearer the end of factory warranty. The online pricing by WarrantyGold appears to increase only about $100/year for each year you wait. Thanks for your input.
Any comments (positive or negative)?
nikos
But the car was a joy.
The most recent acquisition, a 2002 A6, has 5,500 miles. It was in for a minor body repair; out of an excess of caution, I asked for the car to be put through the electronic diagnostic. It indicated a problem with the exhaust camshaft. When examined further, it was diagnosed as a defective wiring harness. The part has been shipped from New Jersey. The car should be ready in another day or so.
When I commenced buying Audi's several years ago, my familiarity, or lack thereof, with the marque was such that I decided to lease. There is security in 36 months, 50,000 miles, and out. It has turned out to be a good decision.
Like most other on this board, I enjoy Audi's for their style and unique blend of performance and safety. I do not regret the decisions to lease.
However, as Car and Driver stated about a year ago, Audi has to remember to "sweat the details". If we as loyal customers do not demand proper attention to quality and reliability, the interest in our favorite brand will wane. Further, I see no reason why there should be a dramatic difference in quality control between Toyota/Lexus and Honda/Acura, and VW/Audi. I am willing to accept a reasonable amount of deficiencies; however, my patience, while not exhausted, is wearing thin.
While I, hopefully, look forward to many more years of Audi ownership, we enthusiasts must learn not to be as accepting of correctable flaws, and more demanding as consumers.
I think the counselors call it "tough love".
By the way: I completely concur with the recommendations to purchase a good extended warranty. One should shop for this in the same manner as insurance: i.e. is the company solvent, and does it pay its claims? An all encompassing warranty is worthless if the repair is not paid for.
I am about to buy a 2001 A6 new from the dealer. They have 6 A6 2.7T's and one 4.2 on the lot. I have narrowed it down to eaither the a fully loaded 2.7T or the fully loaded 4.2. I have driven both and can feel that the 2.7 is a tad quicker off the line, but I seem to be able to match this in the "shift mode" of the 4.2. The price on eaither is dealer invoice, gotta make room for the '02's. My question is:
What do you like/dont' like about the two models?
Any opinions would be appreciated to help in adding to my already tough decision. Thanks. Steve
An '01 is 1 1/2 years old now. I'd try to get the dealer below invoice. Check Edmunds pricing for the used price if they have it. When you buy the car that's all it'll be worth. (Though, no doubt, its intangible value to you is much higher.)
I'd take a 4.2 hands down over a 2.7T, unless I planned to mod it. And maybe even then. Based on looks alone, the 4.2 is even substantially better looking. The 4.2 drivetrain is more robust and will cruise effortlessly at low Rpm's and pull hard at any speed all the way up to the governor. Though you may never explore it, it's been reported that the 2.7T runs out of grunt at the highest speeds. An even greater differentiation than 4.2 or 2.7T is the sport package. If the sport seats are comfortable for you, the sport suspension is invaluable. Though if you have a non-sport 2.7T, you can mod the suspension up to sport suspension specs for around $1,700.
BTW, I've got a '01 NON-sport 2.7T.
But, you did not mention how you planned to acquire the car: cash, finance or lease. The financing options from either a conventional bank or Audi financial may make this decision a little more confusing or easier. It all depends.
For sheer car, though, go for the V8 -- unless you can get the 2.7T with the stick and sport package vs a non-sport 4.2. Having had one of each (a 2000 4.2 non-sport and a 2001 with sport) the differences favor the sport set up.
I agree also that the 4.2 looks more agressive.
I only see two options for acquiring this car make $ense -- cash or leasing (unless there happens to be 0% financing available -- which I highly doubt). If you lease, do so with no money down, and unless you plan to keep this car for a long long time, I would not lease for more than 39 months. I leased mine for 30 months with no money down, no sec dep and Audi even made the first month's payment (of course this is only available for previous Audi owners).
The top end urge of the 4.2 is greater than the 2.7T, but frankly this is only of concern if you regularly and frequently drive over 100mph. Of course, if the 2.7T has the auto trans -- well again the advantage, IMO, goes to the 4.2.
You should really get a good deal and you will have a really great car.
Keep us posted.
It's a good source of info. too.
At least I've got the sport package!
Here's hoping for either a manual A6 V8 (or 2.9T V6) or a manual S4!
We never had it done, however. We don't have kids, but we did have a small dog, so that was our concern. She's since passed away of natural causes so it's now a total non-issue with us. What I wish we had were the side-curtain airbags, but they didn't show up until the 2000 model year.
an audi dealer is authorized to deactivate the rear side airbags, as i had mine turned off before delivery. perhaps it's a decision ultimately left to each dealer's discretion, but for sure it can be done. there was a one-page release to sign, as well as the required delivery by the dealer of warning stickers regarding the deactivation that i guess are supposed to be adhered to the inside of my rear doors. as you can imagine, they are in my glove box.
if you happen to do any further research and find that an authoritative source does recommend keeping them active, please post the info. although my dealer recommended deactivation, i'm still somewhat concerned since my son's carseat is in the right rear position, not center.
Also, I read and have seen chats about a 2.9T engine that is "almost ready for prime time."
Finally, I read that for our shores (North America) anyway the likely engine in the new S4 will be a V8 to keep up with the HP war with the BMW M3 (which while I find exciting, I also can say that for me a 2.9T in an A4 body ripping out something like 275 to 300HP and that lovely Audi low end torque -- well, that would be O-Tay!).
Anyway, if any of the above stuff is true, wouldn't you think that AoA would import the following line up to America:
1. A6 3.0
2. A6 2.9T
3. A6 4.2
4. S6 Avant and Sedan version (possibly)
and maybe, just maybe an RS6 (perhaps not).
And, in keeping with their history, the 2.9T would also be available in the allroad and the 2.9T engine would be the only A6 (and I am calling the allroad and A6, too) with a 6spd manual.
Morever, the CVT transmission will be made available in the A6 3.0 quattro -- don't know about the 4.2 -- CVT might be a bit longer coming for that engine. And, I've read that there is a 6spd Tip in the wings for the upcoming A8, and of course that would then trickle down to the A6 a model year or two later, one would imagine.
So -- what's the latest and greatest skinny on the new USA version of the A6 for either calendar 2003 or model year 2003?
Super sleuths?
We would not have purchased another 2.8. It was a fine car, but uninspiring. (nor could I talk my wife into an S6 Avant; more's the pity). The new 3.0 has been close to a revelation. It feels far more lively than its extra "10%" would indicate. Driven back to back with the 2.7T, the similarities are quite noticeable (by the way: the 2.7T is an automatic). It is the first normally aspirated "six", that Audi has produced, that has genuine performance. While there can never be enough power and torque, I urge anyone considering a new or late model Audi to at least drive the 3.0. It may be that the 2.9T is an attempt to enlarge the performance gap as regards the 3.0.
A brief update on my "electrical" problem: one of the engine wiring harnesses was designed in such a fashion (too short) that it wrapped around an engine part so tightly, thus wearing through and shorting out. The replacement harness, sent from New Jersey, was longer, hence solving the problem.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
I drove a 3.0 A4 that was pretty new and borrowed. So I would only drive it very gently, and it still felt as if not yet broken in. But given those conditions, it didn't feel anywhere near as powerful as my 2.7T. I suspect though that a more completely broken in engine and a more liberal application of throttle would have more closely approximated the 2.7T. And also, different cars of the same typed CAN differ substantially in performance.