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Sales Fell in October for G.M. and Ford (NY Times)
Steve, Host
I have had dealers tell me "they would take the car off our hands" (meaning $0.00). We sold that for $800 (first buyer, very HAPPY to pay 800, we probably could have gotten 1000-1200 for it).
Just sold another for $4,000 (best dealer offer was $2500, but we did $3-400 worth of work on the car, so net was $1100-1200 over best dealer offer).
Sell it yourself!!
POST # 2332 LEFT messg. of $2000 off on XLE.($200 more)
I wasn't upset because I always also say to ask for more discount if you can.
BUT for a moment, I thought some of you might be thinking that I am being compensated by this salesperson OR dealership for referrals.
But just also I had the best car buying experience of my life from this wonderful car sales professional who I believe just simply:
"TREATS PEOPLE THE WAY HE LIKES TO BE TREATED"
TO Prove his professionalism, CO-INCIDENTALLY ON SAME DAY when I was verifying discount with "INDYJONES"
without my knowledge my Nephews Friend
PLACED an ORDER FOR AN XLE pkg 13, He was given "2100 off MSRP " which was $100 more than indyjones post.
I still kept posting messages because I know what I went through some dealers' attitudes, un-professionalism , Lies etc. even at their
OFFERS OF "MSRP" PRICES OR COUPLE 100s OFF.
ON THE OTHER HAND, posts like from "MISSING IN CHICAGO" WHO have benefited from my post make me VERY HAPPY, I feel little bit "ACCOMPLISHED".
" Missinginchicago " on this forum got a van "IMMEDIATELY AVAILABLE" which he could NOT get from "BENNETT TOYOTA" for waiting over 4 months. This dealer not only did not supply vans to many customers but also gave hard time "REFUNDING DEPOSITS".
SO TO OEM1, read my post "2332" dated oct.21 for 2 LEs in 8 pass + more available then in 2 weeks delivery and I don't know what is available as of " Today " and How much discount it is today?
Infact, I have to call and find out on CE 8 pass. in pkg.3
As always I say, Try for more but here you won't even have to ask, He will do what he can without asking and "so far he has meant what he has said" which makes me think that's the way he is.
OH YA, I am glad I remember that based on some posts here lately if you call TOYOTA, they might reimburse for additional discount (maybe couple 100only) but you will have to stay with BENNETT
ONLY.
BUT as Sticker Price I don't think you should stay with them.
those of you living in OK/AR/TX and Miss? are getting ripped off if you even think of buying one off those ridiculous loaded up Toyotas in these states. Honda rarely pulls such tactics.
History lesson: gulf states is alive because 40 years ago they created a distributorship that aggreed to sell once junky little Toyotas and boy did the relationship pay off and still works today. Here is how it works. Gulf States diverts Toyota cars to their Houston pin stripe shop where they make a new added sticker with things like lusterizing paint sealent, door edge guards, 100k mile tire warranty ($200), VIN etching, running boards, spoilers, gold packages, ding dongs, nic nacs, give a dog a bone.
I refused to by my 2001 Sienna there and simply drove 100 miles to Missouri and bought one without those little adds (some have $5000 of gulf states "port installed" items. Port--what port these vans are made in Indiania then rerouted to Houston. And to put icing on the cake. Gulf states increases shipping to cover the diversion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Done
Don't hold back now :-)
Steve, Host
: )
Mackabee
I wonder if the dealer sneaked the van to a higher paying customer...
My salesman says the car should be here any day now.
Anyone else has similar experience? How long does it take to gee to the dealer after shipment from factory?
INKY
How much off MSRP is expected in today's market?
Few questions for previous owners. This car came with a rear audio system, but I want to add a DVD system. Will I be still able to use the rear audio if I install a DVD system? I got the impression from the dealer that they will have to take the rear audio controller out to install the DVD system.
BTW, I was only able to get $500 off MSRP.
Thanks.
Would highly recomend Motor World in Wilkes Barre PA - e-mail me at jvasey@excite.com for more details. Great buying experience!!
Would not recomend Bennett Toyota!!!!
I live in the pacific northwest. i ordered a xle, fwd #16. $31,750. about $1,800 off msrp
I'm in Lynchburg Va. which is about 1 1/2 hours from Shelor and the Lynchburg dealership Oakridge Toyota which is a joke,wanted full sticker for the same van which was $28,051, and they wouldn't even let me know if they could locate one for me unless I would first put down $1,000 bucks and be obligated to buy it when it came in.
Shelor is tops in my book and I will be going back to them for future vehicles.
Oh, and buy the way, I am loving the van so far.....the dark blue color is the best in my opinion!
I live in Alabama and Sienna's aren't widley available.
I did notice some transmission slipage when we test drove an XLE this morning. We really like this vehicle but I'm not paying MSRP or $200 below because of Toyota's Econ 101 tactics!
Dano
I used emails (give them a price YOU want to pay - be realistic though, hit many dealerships, sift through answers). You will find many won't answer, others will answer "MSRP" (or close to it). You just may find someone to come close or accept your offer. BTW, some folks have done the above with faxes.
It's a challenge! Good luck.
BTW, we probably hit about 8-10 dealers until we found one that accepted our offer. GET IT IN WRITING, signed by someone with the authority to make the deal. Especially if you have to travel a distance, KNOW THE FINAL PRICE before you drive there.
Also sounds like , you bought one of the 2 LEs in 8 passengers I posted which I would recommend even to smaller families.
Even more what makes me Happy is that
MOTORWORLD TOYOTA IN WILKES BARRE, PA near POCONOS
has replace Bennett Toyota who not only changed their PRICES, but also gave hard time refunding money on their UN-DELIVERED VANS.
ALSO, please look up on EDMUNDS here for packages available for XLE and on TOYOTA.com for exact packages available in your area.
GO on either or both websites and build you vehicle there and then call dealer or if you wish you may email me or soccerdad for salespeople's name which I am not allowed to post here.
ANYWAY, MARLENELIN
I would recommend you to call Motorworld Toyota
in Wilkes Barre , PA and place order and ask for atleast 2500 off MSRP because SOCCERDAD got 2300 off on LE.
But I must tell you that you will be WASTING YOUR TIME in NJ.
They are a very BIG dealership aswell, and they have been getting VANS which other Dealers could not get in months.
After I introduced MOTORWORLD here on this FORUM, Couple of members have bought already and all are Happy with their buying EXPERIENCE.
PLUS they have been increasing discount every week.
T.D.A.............$275.00
M.A.F.............$389.00
Thanks,
Paul
M.A.F? Just another 3 initials that mean "profit." What you need to do is say to the dealer, OK, you get 2% dealer holdback (according to Consumer Reports). That's about $600 on the vehicle you list. Then, $2800 below MSRP is equal to $1,800 over invoice on that vehicle, so that's $2,400 profit so far. Then, they want to add $664 in 3-initial profits, for a total profit of over $3,000?
Take that argument back to them. Tell them you're willing to give them $1,500 or $2,000 profit, because it's a popular vehicle, and see what they say.
"missinginchicago" on this forum bought it which he could not get with Bennett in 4 months.
DEALER COST MSRP
XLE Base Model $24,303 $28,260
xle pkg. 14 3,914 4,845
Pfd.owners portfolio 6 -
Wless H.phns pair 66 82
Pfd. Accesy Pkg.1 174 274
Destination charge 540 {540}
TDA (toy dlrsp adv.) 431
Gasoline 6
Dealer Holdback 565
Whsl. Fin'l Reserve 282
TOTAL $ 30,287 $ 34,001
Infact, I never paid close attention to so many details. I wish I had it for my Le pkg.7 in 8 pass.
The TOTAL of 431(tda)+565 (hldbk)+ 282(wfr)=$1278
Destination is same for Dealer and Retail.
Please note: These are from" EXACT DEALER INVOICE"
which also contains many details about vehicle which DO NOT MEAN anything to US.
I am sure many of you were looking for this info.
GOOD LUCK to all sienna shoppers.
I would appreciate if you could try to edit my message by inserting spaces between Dealer Cost and MSRP numbers to make them meaningful as I tried and re-tried and could not edit.
When I edit, in my version the SPACES are there and numbers are shown in 2 separate columns , but when I re-edit and post , they are still same in the posted message as they are now.
THANKS in advance.
Hosts can't edit posts so your options are to delete and repost or just figure that people will understand what you mean (I did). Apologies,
Steve, Host
I am just going to post the middle numbers of above post.
..................... DEALER COST ........MSRP
XLE Base Model Price $24,303...........$28,260
xle pkg. 14 ..............3,914.............4,845
Pfd. owners Portfolio.........6
Wless h.phns Pair ...........66 ...............82
Pfd.Aces pkg.1..............174 ..............274
Destination charge .........540 ..............540
TDA ........................431..................
Gasoline ....................6l.................
Dealer Holdback ............565..................
Wholesale fin'l reserve ....282..................
TOTAL DLR COST..........$30,287 TOTAL MSRP$34,001
HOPE this time message is posted clearly with columns and rows in line with numbers spaced out.
GOOD LUCK TO ALL SIENNA SHOPPERS.
RF-spoiler,and the Arctic Frost color which adds to the cost for $32,660.00. The dealer threw in an extra wireless headset because I have three children. According to the KBB site,retail is $36,445.00 and invoice price is $31,667.00. I did all negotiating over the net and when I got to the dealer there were no other surprises or added costs. I checked Edmunds and Nada and they were all within a few dollars of KBB on this van. The dealer is approximately 100 miles from where I reside and was the only one who would sell the van at this price. I talked with numerous dealers in a 5 state area before I bought. The wife and kids love it and the van has performed as the dealer and owner's manual states. As an afterthought I noticed that the local dealer got a shipment of 4 new Siennas on the lot since the weekend. Maybe as they become more plentiful prices will come down a bit.
toycar04, sounds like you got a great deal!
bobbya2, right now worrying about what the invoice price is will probably make more people mad b/c MOST dealers will not negotiate from invoice on a sienna. Like you said kbb and edmunds are usually fairly accurate. (aside from distributers fees & options)
I got my 04 XLE LTD with pkg #6 (NAV and DVD),floor mats, glass breakage sensor, arctic frost pearl (extra $) two weeks ago from Palo Alto Toyota (San Jose California area)for $37178.00. I waited for 8 weeks. I can't mention the sales person who sold me the car on this board. If you are interested, I will be more than happy to e-mail you all the info.
I sent e-mail requests to 15 dealerships with an offer to buy at 3% over invoice and received multiple replies. However, the invoices the dealers are quoting from include:
T.D.A. ............$275.00
M.A.F. .............389.00
2% Holdback MSRP ...565.00
1% Finance reserve .282.00
Total add on of $1511.00
I spoke with a neighbor who sells for Acura and he explained that the T.D.A is the Toyota Dealer's Association fee charged to the Sales department by the dealership. It is a cost of business that the sales department is trying to pass on to the consumer. The M.A.F. is the advertising fee that is also an expense to the sales department but not to the dealership. The 2% holdback is paid to the dealership by Toyota when the vehicle is sold and is part of the profit on the vehicle, but the sales department is listing it as an expense to be paid by the consumer and in effect doubling the hold back profit. I did not get a good explaination about the 1% Finance Reserve. I was advised by my neighbor to explain to the Toyota salesperson that these added fees are part of the cost of doing business just like the electricity bill. When I mentioned this to the salespersons I met a brick wall of resistance. Each and every salesperson refused to negoiate these fees. Is the execption or the rule?
Paul
; )
Mackabee
I am becoming very frustrated. I have been told by several dealers that Toyota no longer makes the Ltd without the DVD option. I would rather not have the DVD, since I know my teenage daughter would be watching it than reading or sleeping on long trips. I emailed about 15 Toyota dealers and have heard from 8 of them. A few promised to call me after talking to me, but haven't. Motorworld said they can try to get me the vehicle (at $1800 off MSRP) , but can't promise it. I appreciate their honesty. In the meantime, I have been told by my service station that repairs to my current vehicle will exceed over $2k and it is not worth fixing it (this is after we just put $1500 into the van). Now I remember why I hate shopping for new cars. Marlene
My build date was 9/23/03 and the vehicle arrived 10/21/03. It was well worth the wait, I've had c5 Corvettes and Porsches but have never been so exited with a new vehicle like this van. I must be getting old at 38 but the AWD performs like an oversized Subaru WRX. My family loves it and I think its one of the safest vehicles on the market. Can't wait till TRD gets off the fence and builds a blower for the 3.3L motor. Good luck to everyone trying to get one.
xle fwd w/ #16, MSRP is ~$35,700.
you got a great deal!
Paul
I am sure many of us here would like to Make a deal like Your deal.
Because my nephews friend Placed order about 2+ weeks back on same vehicle with MOTORWORLD TOYOTA IN WILKES BARRE, PA.
Their price was 1800 off then, but since they had
XLE PKG.16 coming faster than pkg.13 and we took it , so dealer gave addn'l 300 off at 2100 off MSRP.
THANKS & GOOD LUCK with your Van, I am sure you are enjoying it.