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Lexus ES 300/ES 330



  • kreativkreativ Posts: 299
    Any color a dealer doesn't have readily available when you inquire they'll tell you is a "most sought after" color. That's one tactic they use to get you to pay more.
  • clarkram thank you . the price i got was $480 with about $2600 down for tax and lience
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    if you put $2600 down, it was for more than just tax and license. there should have also been a first month's payment in there, and it looks as though you also paid some CAP COST REDUCTION.
  • bolbol Posts: 7
    It has been more than a week and still there is no fix for the problem. The squeaking/whistling engine noise is getting worse as the weather here in the Bay area gets colder. I dropped off my car to the dealer yesterday and I don't think I want to pick it up again until they have a fix for the problem. I am looking for Lemon law protection. What are my options?
  • sddlwsddlw Posts: 361
    Quite a while back, at least a year or more, someone posted they had a problem with a musty smell in the AC/heat vent system in their 2000 ES300. Well, low and behold, I started to have the same problem. When I mentioned it to my dealer at my last service interval they said this was not an uncommon problem and was due to mold. They even had a brochure describing how they can clean the vent system for only $120. .....Now in nearly 30 years driving may different cars, I've never had any mold issues or musty smell problems. But lately I've had what seem to be chronic alergies, so I figured .... what the hell. May be it will help. And guess what ... $120 later, no musty smell. Still waiting to see if my alergies get better. I also wonder if I'll be faced with this again in 6 months.

    Anyone else experiencing this? Any ideas why this kind of problem is apparent in newer cars, and/or Lexus (none of my previous MBs, Toyotas, Hondas, Pontiacs, or MG ever had mold, at least not in the ventilation system).
  • hk2lahk2la Posts: 53
    good grief, you do realize my Kia comment was totally sarcastic? Okay, not to belabor the topic, but I think all those controls on the steering wheel are dangerous and one day the insurance industry will issue a report about it. The car horn is not some little button on the steering wheel, and it is always in the same location no matter which way you've turned the steering wheel.
    Anyway, I love my 2002 ES300.

    Tax/license: $2,600 would be low for tax and license around here.

    Musty smell: have you been keeping the vent in recirculation mode? That would definitely cause a bad smell, and indoor air pollution--in a car!

    BOL: That really sucks. Did they ever diagnose the problem? and have you talked to Lexus? I'm pretty sure there are some lemon law writeups on this site. I would definitely research legal rights and pursue the issue with Lexus, as far up the ladder as necessary.
  • I recently purchased a 2000 ES 300 demonstrator with only 6000 km on it and i love the car.My problem is with the cost of service compared to the Camry i had last which with the 6 cyl engine is mechanically a similar car.
    The new Lexus dealer in town also owns the Toyota dealership.I can see an oil change costing $59 compared to $27 at Toyota as Lexus loans you a car and washes yours but when you get the Lexus dealer quoting $296 compared to Toyota $102 FOR the same service maintenanceone has to wonder.I phoned another Lexus dealer about 90 miles away and their cost for the same service was $160.Now when you compare Lexus service requirements they want you to carry out this service at 12 months or 16000 km wheareas Toyota only requires you to carry out this service at 24 months or 32000 km.Is one to deduce from this that the Toyota is a better car than the Lexus? I phoned Lexus Canada who seemed surprised at this.
    I guess I will be getting my Lexus serviced at a Toyota dealership which is in the next town
    I would like to hear from others who are getting their Lexus serviced at Toyota dealerships
    Best wishes
  • 8u6hfd8u6hfd Posts: 1,391
    Toyota transmissions are designed to lock out overdrive engine the engine is cold for better startup emissions and warms the engine faster.

    I suspect 45-50 is the range where the transmission shifts from 4th to 5th. So it's hunting gears. You may want to get them to check the computer for the transmission, if it's reading anything wrong.
  • lexus1lexus1 Posts: 14
    I live in Houston where humidity, mold and mildew are the norm. I occasionally get the "old socks" smell in my Accord and use the following fix suggested by my mechanic: turn the AC on with the vent in fresh air mode. Open all doors and windows. Spray Lysol spray down the air intake vents for 2-4 minutes to fully coat the ducts. Let the AC run for 5 more minutes. For a day or two (or three), your car will smell like Lysol (they have new fragrances that are better than the orginal) but the mold will be gone. In some cases, the type of mold that grows in these systems can aggravate allergies and cause repiratory illnesses. Since you have to do this only once or twice a year (unless you live in Houston or New Orleans!), it's worth the couple days of smelling "really clean". A further suggestion is to either protect your seating surfaces in front of the ducts with towels, or wipe the seats off after you're done.
  • took delivery of my new 2002es300 two weeks ago and love the car. previously owned 97es300. however, I find that resting my left leg on floor pad, has given me backache and tingling in left leg. have tried to adjust seat but without success. anyone else had similar experience or am I just getting old.
  • sddlwsddlw Posts: 361
    Interesting fix. So where are the intake vents? Under the dash?

    That is not too different for what the dealer did. They went in through the vent ducting and tubing and used a foamy disinfectent. I'll try that next time.

    I am in San Diego, and always have the vent set for fresh air. I only use the heat or AC every once in a while. I was quite surprised I would have this problem in San Diego. Hence, I was curious how widespread it was.
  • sddlwsddlw Posts: 361
    I just had a 20K service in San Diego and it was $160. But in all fairness to the dealer, in addition to OLF, they rotated my tires, checked things that should be checked, checked some BS things that help them justify the $$, and sent me home in an almost new RX300 with only 3K miles in it as a loaner for the day.

    A while back at another routine OLF interval, they saw the coolent overflow reservoir was cracked. It took them 5 days (over a weekend) to get the part. I had their loaner all five days and still only paid for the routine service.

    Somebody's got to pay for that!

    If the pamering and convenience is not worth the extra $$, take your car to the Toyota dealer for service, or find a reputable independent who is certified for warantee work. Before I bought my Lexus, I was driving a 300E MB and used an indepenent. On average, his bills were slightly lower for service interval stuff, but as much as 50% less than the dealer for major work.
  • A while back at another routine OLF interval, they saw the coolent overflow reservoir was cracked. It took them 5 days (over a weekend) to get the part. I had their loaner all five days and still only paid for the routine service.

    Somebody's got to pay for that!

    Lexus pays for that, NOT the dealer.

  • sddlwsddlw Posts: 361
    Perhaps a bit off-topic .... but how does that work? I realize parts and labor are covered by the manufacturer but does the dealer get to charge back for the loaner too? Even for another Lexus?

    I would have expected that to be dealer overhead, and one of the main reasons the independents can keep their prices down. .... as in the case of my MB mechanic who was factory certified and authorized to perform warantee work, but kept his overhead and prices low.
  • kreativkreativ Posts: 299
    Everything gets charged to Lexus Corp. when it deals with warranty work.

    You'll notice that some Lexus dealers are very willing to do warranty work (replace items) on trivial things. Customers think the dealer is great, but really, they're just collecting on warranty payments. If they had to cover the warranty themselves, they'd do anything to get out of it.
  • kreativkreativ Posts: 299
    Remember, the only person that really cares about your car is you.

    1,000 miles: Free, all they do is look at your car, and maybe take a joy ride (road test) in it.

    Minor service (e.g. 5000/10000, 7500, etc.)
    Lexus typically charges - $90 to $1xx
    What you should really be paying - $30-40

    Oil change - Lexus dealers typically charge $40-60 for this simplest of procedures (as far as a car mechanic is concerned). You can get the same parts and better service by doing this on your own for as low as $22. (Buy Camry/ES filter at Toyota dealer, oil from discount warehouse, LABOR ONLY charge at local auto shop where you get to watch the mechanic)

    Rotate tires - Lexus dealers again charge $40-60 for another simple procedure. At that price, you might as well buy new tires and get lifetime tire rotation/balancing with it. You'll SAVE money in the long run and have an extra set of tires for later use.
    You can get tire rotation for much cheaper at tire shops. I wouldn't pay any more than $15 for this service. Ask that only a TORQUE WRENCH be used to tighten your tires to 76lb-ft. Most places, including Lexus dealers, just use an impact socket wrench with little regards to the torque specification. Some just use a torque limiter (torque stick).

    Intermediate service (e.g. 15000):
    Same as minor service plus:
    Replace A/C filter - simple to do through glove box, instructions in the owner's manual. If you can change a light bulb, you can do this. Buy A/C filter from parts and do it yourself. You DON'T need to change it at the specified service interval. Instead, you should change it when it's NECESSARY, meaning checking the filter periodically. So you may be changing the filter earlier/later than recommended.

    Retorque drive shaft flange bolts: I doubt Lexus dealers even bother, or all they do is rattle it around with an impact socket wrench instead of retorquing to specified torque. If you want it done right, ask your mechanic what the torque specification is (to make sure they know) and request that they be retorqued with a TORQUE WRENCH. This service shouldn't even cost anything if you're bringing in the car to any auto shop for an oil change or what not.

    Checks and inspections: So they look around and make sure everything's okay. Do they actually check? Many don't. Unless you're with the mechanic and he tells you everything he's checking for, you'll never know.

    Lexus dealers typically charge $200-$xxx for this service. Starting to wonder what exactly you're paying all the extra money for? Just the nice lounge and a nice loaner car, which can be quite valuable to some. Sure, the Lexus dealer will say "we do a lot of extra stuff" (i.e. We tack on a bunch of unnecessary extras so we can charge you more)

    This could go on and on. What's important is to find a GOOD MECHANIC, whether at a local shop or at the Lexus dealer. It's not the place that matters, it's the mechanic you get.
  • kreativkreativ Posts: 299
    For any service that requires in-depth knowledge of your Lexus vehicle, I'd still take to a Lexus dealer. But you don't have to buy the whole can order services a la carte.
  • As kreativ explained, every single bit of it will be charged to Lexus, since it is related to warranty work. They would also include the cost of a Luxury Rental for 5 days or whatever it took for the part to come in.

    Also, with my Acura TL, I get a loaner car along with a complimentary wash (which I usually decline) and a vacuum, during even a minor oil change. I get charged about $25. If I wait for the oil change, I get free local telephones, connection for my laptop etc., along with free coffee and bagels. Generally they give some free stuff like a T-shirt or something at the time of payment.

    All major services like the 15,000 mile change etc., they charge about $180. During which, in addition to a bunch of inspections, and the oil change, they also change the transmission fluid (it better be done by the dealer) and a tire rotation, in addition to topping off any other fluids. At the time of payment, they also attach a cassette that contains the comments from the technician who inspected the various components. I like that for a finishing touch, since then I am assured that they had done the various inspections. However, from what I understand, not all Acura dealers are nearly as good !!

  • kreativkreativ Posts: 299
    Now that's a good dealer service center! Where are you located?
  • My intention is to get the Mark Levenson package only, but in the Denver area you can only get the ML package together with the navigation package. Price difference aside, I'm a little concerned that the only way to switch between pre-set radio stations (which I do a lot) is to touch the button image on the navigation screen, and after a while the screen may get a dirty/rough look and feel. Should I worry about this? I personally much prefer the old-fasioned pre-set buttons, or better yet, the steering-wheel mounted audio control.
  • I had to special order the car because I wanted the Mark Levinson system without the Navigation system. With the Nav, you have to flip it and the radio becomes more of a production to do all the adjustments. On my car, the Levinson system is what you view and has the standard radio conrols which is much easier. The Levinson system is more easily dispalyed and I think easier to use. If you would like to dicuss it further, drop me a line at
  • lenscaplenscap Posts: 854
    For those interested, the ES 300 sold very well in January compared to its competitors.

    5173 -- ES 300
    4534 -- C-Class
    4447 -- TL
    3575 -- A4
    2569 -- I35
    1523 -- A6
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    Where are you getting your numbers. No doubt to their validity, but I would just like access to that info as well. Thanks.
  • I have not seen it yet but apparently the March Edition of Consumer Reports magazine does a comparison of the Lexus ES 300, Audi A4, Jaguar, Acura TL, and the Infiniti I35. Has anyone seen the issue and how did the Lexus fare in the comparison ?
  • Howdy:

    rebelsk asks: >>I have not seen it yet but apparently the March Edition of Consumer Reports magazine does a comparison of the Lexus ES 300, Audi A4, Jaguar, Acura TL, and the Infiniti I35. Has anyone seen the issue and how did the Lexus fare in the comparison?>>

    CR has a generally good review. They predict "much better than average reliability"

    They found it offers "a well-furnished, accommodating cabin, it offers a well-rounded package with very few flaws and scored highest overall in this group." They predict better than average reliability.

    Their comments pretty well track with my own experience in the black jet, which now shows 6,750 miles on the odo. I'm averaging 21.1 mpg, at an average speed of 31.5 mph. I'm alternating fillups between 89 and 91 octane.

    One of our members had a rattle in front of driver's dash where it meets the windshield, and I'm hearing it too. I'll have dealer look at it when I take it in to have the airbag replaced.

    Wish list: 1. Better cupholders; they don't hold standard travel mugs. 2. Place to stash or clip my cellphone.

    Still getting a lot of "oohs and aahs" from enthusiasts who see the car. The owner of a restaurant I frequent saw mine and went out and bought a black one with a wing and gold kit, and the stock wheels in chrome. I like the GS chrome wheels better.

    She's still the one...!!! Couldn't be happier.


    RNBESQUIRE Phoenix, AZ
  • lenscaplenscap Posts: 854
    The numbers come from the own car companies' press releases. They can be accessed most easily here:

    1. Go to
    2. Click on "industry focus"
    3. Click on "auto industry"

    Hope this helps.
  • hk2lahk2la Posts: 53
    Is anyone else experiencing a prolonged downshift at about 20mph? It gets very sluggish long enough so I wouldn't be able to initially outrun someone.

    btw, I averaged 15 mpg on my first tank of gas. According to the Lexus computer I was averaging 21mpg, but the reality, based on total miles and gas tank size, I averaged 15.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    lenscap.. thanks.. very informative URL!
    hk2la... how does fuel tank size matter in the calculation of MPG? shouldnt MPG be calculated Miles Driven/Gallons of Gasoline consumed... hence the designation "MPG"? I don't see how the "Lexus Computer" could be in error 6 MPG.
  • kreativkreativ Posts: 299
    If you want to calculate MPG on your own, it's (Miles Driven since last fillup)/(How many gallons it takes to fill up the tank again). When the "low tank" indicator goes on, there's still about 4 gallons in the tank (from my experience on my first fillup with the ES).

    About downshifting...not sure exactly what mean, but if you mean how the ES has a tendency to resist downshifting when you step on it, then yah, you're not the first one who has asked about that. Maybe the "intelligence" part of the ECT-i transmission will adapt to your needs over time.
  • hk2lahk2la Posts: 53
    alpha01, kreativ: calculation based on total number of miles from one tank of gas. Ergo, MPG. Dividing the total miles driven from the first tank of gas by the total number of gallons in one tank gave me 15 mpg. If I factor in the extra 4 gallons remaining when the light comes on, it still doesn't get me to the 21.1 mpg that the computer says.

    I saw some posts about some resistance at 55/60 but didn't see anything re 20mph. Well, still breaking in the car so I guess I shouldn't be gunning it just yet.
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