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Mazda MPV



  • big_guybig_guy Posts: 372
    I was really pleased to see the 5-star government crash rating all around for the 2002 MPV. Does anyone know when the new offset crash test will be done by the insurance institute? The 2000-01 MPV did pretty well on the government tests too but not as well on the offset crash test.

    The MPV is still tops on my list of possible purchases when the lease runs out at the end of the year on my current Caravan. My father has a 2000 Ody that he is possibly going to sell to get into a 2003 Pilot. I expressed interest in purchasing it from him but he wants to get ~$25k for it. I can get a new 2002 MPV LX with Lux, Security, Rear Air, and several other goodies for less than $25k. It makes me sick to see 2 year old Ody's demanding prices between $25k and $28k! That is a minuscule depreciation for a two year old vehicle! What is even more sickening is that my father can probably get that much (or more) for his Ody so he won't cut me a deal to get it for less (especially since he wants to get into a Pilot which will run him in the mid $30k range).
  • drmpdrmp Posts: 187
    Since your father owns the ody, how about cutiing him a deal of 0% for five years or pay when able?
  • javadocjavadoc Posts: 1,167
    Man, they could put wheels and an 'H' on a meadow muffin... it'd sell like hotcakes (oh sorry, really bad, unintentional pun) and never depreciate! That's just crazy.

    Big, buy it for $25k and gamble on selling it for $27k (only cuz I wouldn't keep it, lol).

  • mrnimmomrnimmo Posts: 271
    maybe state law. Check soon!
  • mrnimmomrnimmo Posts: 271
    Actually it is probably state law or they wouldn't have written that in the contract. It may be a provision that cannot be bartered away as a term of the contract. Call an attorney or the attorney general (good luck) and make your demand for your old car soon.
  • tbcreativetbcreative Posts: 357
    Oh, yeah, that's for sure. But I'm just occasionally asking if anyone has any info on additions for the MPV like paint colors, or interior amenities, before my wife and I get serious about when we want to buy one. I wouldn't change or add much of anything to the MPV, it's nearly perfect, but we'd like it if Mazda would offer more color choices, like Millenium Red (I know, for the hundredth time!).
  • subearusubearu Posts: 3,613
    ...that the 0% financing is on a 24 month loan, not the lease. The smaller print below the 0% financing thing is in regards to a lease deal ($299/48 months w/$2851 due at signing).

    Check the Edmunds incentive link, you may need to resubmit it with your state (I used WI):

    According to that, 4.9% for anything above 24 months.

    Here's another link to incentives & rebates:

    That link is showing 5.9% for anything over 24 months. Neither link shows the $1500 rebate, probably meaning it's dealer cash.

    A 2000 Xterra at trade in good condition according to is $12k, but I didn't choose any options.

    I believe that if I calculated correctly, invoice for your MPV LX is $24,313.

    Pardon for asking, but is your credit ok? Sometimes you can't qualify for the better rate because of that. But, I doubt that is the case. Is the financing through Mazda or a local bank that the dealer works with?


  • subearusubearu Posts: 3,613
    I agree, Red would be sharp looking. My wife likes the dark blue, fwiw. Hopefully they don't axe that color when we start looking at the end of the year.

  • drrocketdrrocket Posts: 67
    I stopped by another Costco location to place an order for Michelin X Radial Pluses for my '00 MPV ES, only to be informed by the tire dept manager that I must replace my H-rated tires with H-rated or higher tires because "that's what the vehicle calls for." Since I was asking about Michelins, he offered either the Pilot XGT H4, or the Energy MXV4 Plus as being available in the OEM size of 215/60x16. Of the two, he recommended the Pilot XGT H4s as being more suitable for a minivan [with the soul of a sports car]. Neither were in stock for that size, so either would have to be ordered.

    When I inquired about moving up to a size 225/60x16, he said it was doable except that it would void my "bumper-to-bumper" Mazda warranty (re: suspension-related issues) for not being the standard OEM size. So I placed a minimal deposit to order the Michelin Pilot XGT H4s in the OEM size of 215/60x16.

    This evening I did some research and discovered from the TireRack survey that the Michelin Pilot XGT H4 rated slightly better than the Dunlop SP 4000 A/S tires that came standard on my MPV. I also learned that the Bridgestone Potenza RE950s rated significantly higher than either of the aforementioned tires, however is only available in 225/60x16, not 215/60x16. But another consideration is that most of the reviewers of the Potenza RE950s seemed to have smaller, sportier cars [than the MPV]; in fact, I did not notice any reviews from minivan owners.

    So what's a girl to do? Should I let my order ride on the Michelin Pilot XGT H4s, or should I try to change my order (assuming they'll let me) to the Bridgestone Potenza RE950s?

    Time is of the essence; the Costco instant rebate ends Sunday. ;>(
  • tbcreativetbcreative Posts: 357
    I have a couple of questions I'm confused about with information missing from the MPV literature:

    1) When I priced an MPV on Edmunds TMV, there was an option for a self-dimming mirror with temp./compass gauge, but it's not in the literature, and I've seen some comments about it here. Is it a dealer install, or an option not listed in the brochure?

    2) Is the MPV the only mini-van that has 2nd row seat windows that roll down? I haven't looked at EVERYTHING out there, but I know the GM, Chrysler, Ford, Toyota, Honda, and Nissan vans don't. So, why isn't Mazda making a big deal about it in their literature and ads? Does Ford have some hold over that, not wanting them to out-sell the Windstar? Whenever I mention it to people considering a mini-van, they immediately say, "Wow, that's cool! Are you sure?!" And then they're hooked after I show them the pictures in the brochure, when they realize how sharp the MPV looks. Then I tell them about the warranty, and all the features, and before you know it, we're on the way over to the Mazda dealer to check them out! Well, okay, not every time, but they're always very interested, or upset if they have a van that's not up to par.

    3) As a follow up to that, who's doing Mazda's marketing and brochure design? I think with a little advertising tweaking, Mazda could dominate the market better across the board. They have really great products, backed by great warranties, that a lot of people don't seem to know about. I would love to turn that around for them, and be their creative marketing director/consultant! ;o)
  • basurfbasurf Posts: 42
    I am rewriting this post because I looked up a few things.

    Isn't that 0.0% only for lease?

    I pulled the trigger and these are my results what do you think?

    Initially I had them at 3.9% interest no rebate. First they tried to raise the interest rate to 4.9% I said no way and almost walked out on principle because he told me he never told me 3.9% @ 60 months when I had the paper right in front of me. I don't play that game at all. He quickly changed his tone though and said ok 3.9%
    Then they gave me an option of a $1500 rebate and 7% interest rate which effectively lowered my monthly payment or the 3.9% rate with no rebate.

    Then they got me with something called gap insurance. I didn't HAVE to take it but I did. Basically, if I total the car the insurance company will only pay book value. So if I owe more than that it has to come out of my pocket. The gap insurance covers 150% of the MSRP. So I shouldn't have to pay anything. Is this a scam? I need to call my insurance company I guess.

    Here is the deal I ended up with. They are having the car shipped from another dealer and adding the 2 options below listed as "dealer installed" since it doesn't already have them.

    MPV 2002 LX
    LX Security Package
    LX Luxury Package
    4-Seasons Package
    Rear Bumper Step Plate (dealer installed)
    Rear AC
    Auto Dim Comp/Temp Mirror (dealer installed)


    Trade In 2000 Nissan Xterra SE 4x4 52,000 miles

    money down:
    -1500.00 trade in(payoff on xterra 13,000).
    -1500.00 rebate

    60 month 7% interest.

    I paid $232.91 for the gap insurance.

    So did I get a good deal or not? I know it is a great vehicle...just looking for opinions on the deal. I checked my credit union and the interest rate there is 6.25 (not much diff than the 7%).

    To the poster on the credit (I have an excellent credit rating) and they even stated this to me. So all this wheeling and dealing is not factoring that in.
  • subearusubearu Posts: 3,613
    Looks like they probably did ok on the trade, but I can't really tell since I didn't know the options. Try pricing it yourself here on Edmunds and KBB. Use trade-in values of course ;) I usually figure the average of the 2 values is what I should expect.

    And I mentioned that it looked like you got the van for invoice. Of course, they probably got some minimal ($250?) padding on the gap insurance, and the finance rate is ok, but Mazda is saying 4.9%. I wonder if it's an either or thing - take the rebate or take the financing, not both?

    Is it Mazda financed or bank financed?

    The way I'm reading Mazda's incentive page is that it's 0% for normal financing. Then, they placed the text for a special lease rate directly below that (probably too close really). So, it looks like the lease rate text is part of the 0% BOLD text. Treat them seperately. 0% for 24 months financing. OR special 48 month lease for $2xx with $2k down.

    BTW, I don't think I've ever seen a 0% lease rate, anyone, anyone?

  • basurfbasurf Posts: 42
    Yeah the total was $40 over invoice per

    I was using Edmunds for the trade in value of the Xterra $15,573 for outstanding condition $14,935 for clean.

    I am thinking it is 4.9% which is why they tried to wiggle out of that 3.9% they originally quotes me. The guy told me it was either the 3.9% or the 7% with a $1500 rebate. The 7% $1500 rebate made my payment lower.

    This was financed at Mazda.

    I really don't think I got RIPPED...this is such a great vehicle. I just think I could have worked them a little more and probably gotten $1500 rebate and a lower interest rate. Then again maybe they wouldn't have is hard to say.

    P.S. To the person saying they can't get the 4 Seasons Package. This one (LX) has all the optional packages but did not have the compass/temp mirror and rear bumper step plate I wanted. They told me they would put those 2 items on when they received it from the other dealer though.
  • sritrovatosritrovato Posts: 20
    Hi. I was the one who mentioned the 4 seasons package. I didn't mean to say that I couldn't find it. It's out there all over the place, but I did not particularly want the lux. or sec. packages which were previously required. It is now available with the only requirement being rear air. Since this configuration is still new, and since people often want the other goodies, it will only rarely show up on lots this way (and probably not soon). Meanwhile, to address the rates!!! Things may have changed over the last couple of days, but when I spoke to MazdaUSA on Monday, this is what I was told: 0% for 0-24 months/3.9% (down from 4.9) for 25-60 months nationwide. So far it appears that anything mentioned in print with 48 months is a lease. The incentive money IS dealer cash so it's one or the other. HOWEVER, I balked at the 6.9% rate and eventually got another point shaved off. Financing was handled by the dealer, but through a bank. People First is offering (as of Tues) 4.95% with an on line app. and approval. Edmunds links to them. Hope this helps.
  • basurfbasurf Posts: 42
    ah those deals seem to go along with my experience the last two days and my purchase

    I bet if I haggled with them some more I could have secured a better interest rate...oh well 5.65%(linked off edmunds 60 month) to 7% isn't a HUGE jump or anything.

    I will be happy with the vehicle I am sure!
  • basurfbasurf Posts: 42
    since I have just finished going over for days all the different features of minivans and some other vans the mpv included I will try to answer your questions... I have to admit I was a bit confused about some of the options like you can select DVD Entertainment system at Mazda's website on the builder and on some places...but lots of articles still say you can't get it and Edmund's doesn't list it as an option either.

    1. Yes, it is very strange that none of the literature specifically shows the self-dimmed mirror with temp/compass, however, it is a factory option. However, a dealer can add it...the one we just ordered did not have the mirror on it but I wanted it and the dealer said they would add it when they received the car from the other dealer.

    2. Yes, the MPV is the only minivan with roll-down windows for the second seats. The sales people do make a big deal about it and I actually think it is a big deal. I looked at all the other minivans and I did not like that fact that some you could not open the windows at all...others you could only crack them open (not roll down).

    3. No idea who is doing there marketing. I will tell you that I almost missed the Mazda MPV on my quest to purchase a minivan. It was looking like Honda was the way to go then I just happen to come across the Mazda. I read all the reviews here from owners...I read the safety ratings...on and on...and the MPV suddenly "zoom zoom"ed right to the front of the list of best minivans.
  • audia8qaudia8q Posts: 3,138
    All Mazda incentives were changes yesterday (friday) around 4pm EST....

    They are the best overall incentives I have ever seen for new Mazda's.
  • maltbmaltb Posts: 3,572
    with you rich. They are putting some serious money into moving cars this month. Not a bad time to buy at all.
  • basurfbasurf Posts: 42
    What are the new incentives?

    I am not completely done with my deal...found out that the gap insurance is not needed. I called them and said remove the gap insurance and give me a new dealer purchase through a different bank (I can get a better insurance rate than the 7% from the dealer) and I will keep the deal. Otherwise, I am going somewhere else. Just curious what the new incentives are if I have to go somewhere else.
  • audia8qaudia8q Posts: 3,138
    Mazda does regional I'm not sure if the incentives here in the northeast are the same in your area...

    We have 0% for 48 months and no payments until Jan. 2003.

    or you can take a higher rate and get a small rebate.
  • dave234dave234 Posts: 7
    Just want to throw this one out there and am looking for all of you experts to reply. Told dealer I would give him thumbs up or down by Monday.

    Went to a dealership and priced out a 2002 MPV LX with luxury package, security package and 4 seasons package, rear AC along with moonroof. Asked about getting factory DVD, but was told it was not available, so told him it was OK for dealer installation.

    Price quoted: $24,500

    No financing. Is this good deal or not?
  • tbcreativetbcreative Posts: 357
    I'm glad I wasn't the only one baffled by these issues. I forgot about the DVD system also being confusing to me. The Mazda on-line builder shows that and the mirror, but Edmunds only shows the mirror. A Mazda salesman I spoke with told me that most of the vans coming from the factory don't have the mirror, but they could certainly add it at the dealer. He also said he didn't think you could get the DVD system yet, but it may be coming in the fall. Of course they could also install that at the dealer, but I'd probably get a DVD/VHS unit installed by a friend who's a district manager of Best Buy, for a bit less.

    I think the windows that open is a HUGE thing that Mazda should be exploiting in their ads, along with the new safety ratings, increased power, 3rd-row seat that folds flat and functions like a tailgate, and the 5-year warranty! I can't believe that I almost over-looked this incredible vehicle!

    My wife and I have just become licensed foster parents, and are planning on having biological kids as well, so we require a vehicle that can not only accommodate those needs, while providing convenient transportation for all of our Phoenix-bound visitors, but also remain exciting to own over a 5 to 10-year period. Now, I like to trade vehicles sooner than that, but my wife is much more practical than I am, so if I'm making that concession, and we need to get a mini-van, I want something I'll continue to be excited about for the duration that it's with our family. I think the MPV will do just that. I would love to be a spokes-person for the MPV and help turn their marketing around!

    Have I mentioned lately, that it would REALLY do that in a nice Millenium Red? ;o)
  • tbcreativetbcreative Posts: 357
    From my research so far, that seems like a good deal. I'm curious to see what the MPV vets have to say...
  • pjd58pjd58 Posts: 366
    Price seems OK, not great. I assume you are paying cash. Mazda just introduced new outstanding incentives yesterday. I would go with zero financing at your price. Each region has different incentives, here in the Midwest, Mazda is offering 0% for 48. Call Mazda NA customer service to check your area, they will ask for your zip code. Some dealers don't like to make incentives public.

    If you are paying cash, I would offer $4000 less MSRP. Ricart Automotive in Columbus,Ohio is selling all 02 MPVs at 4K below MSRP(Columbus Dispatch's Sat), no hassle. No special financing and all rebates to dealer.

    Good luck,
  • pjd58pjd58 Posts: 366
    Off topic, I detailed my MILLENIUM RED 01 Protege yesterday:) I'm rooting for you to get a Mill Red 03 MPV. My Wife has a Sand Mica MPV, nice color but not my first choice. Keep calling Customer Service and nag them:) Mazda needs to offer a red MPV. I saw the perfect red 02 DC CARAVAN the other day. But who wants a Caravan? Not me!
  • subearusubearu Posts: 3,613
    0% for 48 mos is sweet, and 6 mos of no payments?

    I think we'll finish paying off the credit card first. :(

  • tbcreativetbcreative Posts: 357
    I know! If Dodge, GM, and Honda, to name a few, have a nice metallic red color, why can't the "Zoom-Zoom" company? The color choices are so bland, no offense to your wife's choice! ;o)

    A Mazda salesman told us something interesting. He said that if the dealership were to order a minimum of 10, like a fleet, Mazda has a deal where you can get them in any Mazda color, as long as they're all the same. So, we could get Millenium Red, but the dealership would have to make an initial investment. But I figure, all they'd have to do is advertise them as being unique, and they'd sell like hotcakes! Hmmm...

    Anyway, keep rooting for us, and I'll keep bugging Mazda, while I consider a way to talk a dealership into that fleet deal!
  • tbcreativetbcreative Posts: 357
    My wife also likes the Midnight Blue Mica, which is a sharp color, and close enough to black (my first choice). I'm with you. If Mazda doesn't add a red to the lineup, I really hope they don't drop that blue before we're ready to purchase one between this fall and next spring. They'd REALLY be lacking in color choices then!
  • sritrovatosritrovato Posts: 20
    I would really like to know, if there is such a place, where to find posted, the specifics of current incentives. It seems like every site has either outdated, or incomplete information. I realize that changes occur all the time. What's the best way to find out? Thanks
  • javadocjavadoc Posts: 1,167
    I posted a message last night, and it's awol. Should've been right after tbcreative's post #3634.

    Strange... the site *was* lagging something fierce, so maybe edmunds was having issues then. It was about 1:00am Pacific. ah well. :)
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