JC Whitney, www.jcwhitney.com has a decent armrest that works in the Echo. It is by default too short to work comfortably in the Echo but if you remove the center console and attach it about halfway up the sides and then reinstall the whole thing as one peice it works much better.
I'm glad to see some comments about seats and driving position. I test-drove an Echo this morning, and I liked it quite a lot. The problem is that my legs, where they hit the front of the seat cushion, became uncomfortable after only a few minutes. I'm wondering what a couple hours at the wheel would be like.
I realize this could be a personal problem :^), and I didn't try to adjust anything during my short test. I'm 5'10" tall and 225 lbs.
NEW YORK (CBS.MW) -- Gasoline futures prices rose to an all time high Friday amid growing concern that the U.S. markets may be short of the fuel this summer, topping previous records set during the Persian Gulf War a decade ago.
The gains threaten to push the retail price of gasoline above $3 a gallon this summer as the annual driving season begins with several key refineries down and concern over mounting demand.
My Echo is a 9 months old with 13400 miles. I have noticed that since the winter, the body cladding where it takes the most abuse, very low under the back doors, and where it starts to turn up in front of the back wheels, is deteriorating on the surface. Even after washing and treating with the Black Magic Total Shine, it looks dusty in those areas. You can feel it when you touch it as kind of fuzzy on the surface. I really like the looks of the body cladding, but what is it going to look like 10 years from now I wonder if this continues.
Spiehler: I'm 5 11 and weight 250 and find the ECHO seat itself comfortable. I could wish it would go back about another two inches. I also have a bad back (two bulged, one ruptured discs and arthritus) and thank heaven every time I get in and out of my ECHO, its so east compared to anything else!
I have been entering sweepstakes for many years and ran across the first (and second) where you can win an Echo (actually giving away three in #1 and one in #2 sweekstakes). Picture on seventeen.com website is a silver four door Roxy (design seat covers?) Echo with Roxy Quiksilver surfboard on a roof rack (Yakima?), but no entry form yet. Valued at $14,494. Try:
I have never waxed a car before and Id like to wax my echo to shine her up and protect the paint since it is always outside...My echo is black and I have noticed a few swirl marks on the front hood..could you please recommend a wax and the techniques to waxing..thanks
I just waxed my ECHO last night and used the liquid wax that comes in the orange bottle...cant remember the name! But if you go in most any auto store like Pep Boys its there. Its a synthetic "wax" you just wipe on and after it dries just wipe off so theres no rubbing or buffing...just the action of 100% American chemicals going to work so you dont have to. Also, bought Armour All and Rain-X and applied them to the ECHO...great results nothing like chemical synthetic non-natural products no organic wax or carrots for me let all those nature boys and girls get pimples because they use ox tallow soap instead of Dial!
Ok I just used nu finish on the hood of my car and now I can see the swirl marks...did I apply it incorrectly?? I just used a waxing sponge and applied the wax in a circular motion (just what the bottle says).btw my car is black..any help?
I'm kinda a car fanatic and keep my cars very clean. Try Meguiar's products. I suggest Meguiar's Prep and Swirl Remover followed by Gold Class Wax. Dark colored cars look great when new and clean but require additional upkeep to keep looking there best. For more info go to: www. meguiars.com
Using the spongy thing is fine but be sure to remove waxes and polishes with a 100% cotton terry towel. If there is any polyester or synthetic fibers, that can causes scratches and swirl marks.
If you wash your car yourself be sure to use a good automotive car wash soap with plenty of suds and water (and use a wash mitt). This is the best way to flush the dirt off the paint
Nu finish is about the easiest "wax" there is to apply, but the color black is probably the most difficult color to wax without streaking. Possibly you didnt allow the stuff to dry completely or put too much on. Basically, IME you just apply a fairly thin coat, wait 15 minutes for it to dry and then buff it off with a piece of cheesecloth. I buy a "bolt" of it about 50 feet long and use the entire thing to buff the stuff off, then cut off the outer two feet to reveal fresh cloth for the next buffing. If you just did the hood try another small section like the trunk lid. Use the Nu finish sparingly, allow it to dry throughly, and just wipe it off with a clean cloth like cheesecloth. Good luck!
I researched car polishes at Consumer Reports website before I bought one to shine up my ECHO and they said that the best was Zymol. It's more expensive than any of the others, but it doesn't scratch or haze. They say it's $16 a bottle, but I found mine at Walmart for $12. It's durability is only average, however. Prestone Bullet wax and the Nu-Funish paste were second and third, respectively. Nu-Finish liquid was rated 8th.
They rated the Meguiars products kind of all over the place, while some were excellent in the "no scratching or hazing" area their durablity was rated very low overall.
I really like the Zymol. My car is silver and doesn't show scratches like a darker color, though.
I looked for the Prestone Bullet wax (last year) at K-Mart, Walmart, Pepboys and Autozone and none of them carried it, at least not in my area.
I'm really bummed. I just got all four hubcaps stolen off my new (5 month old) Echo. It looks pitiful! I'm wondering if there are hubcaps I can replace them with that would be hard to remove? I park on the street in Brooklyn and I don't want this to keep happening.
I just read on German website that the oil change interval for the Toyota Yaris (our Echo) with the 1.5 Liter engine is every 15000 Kms (9300 miles) or once a year. This is with synthetic oils of course and they recommend 5W40, 0W30 and similars.
How come this is the recommendation considering the fact that they typically drive at higher speeds (Autobahn), rev their engines higher and most of their trips are short?
My friend who is a car wash fanatic is going to fix up the swirl marks for me, he has a buffer which he will use as well..he also has a black car so he is familiar with the proper techniques...ahhhh not so worried anymore!
Spielher: I had the same thing happen to me when I first drove my Echo...my thighs would start to cramp. The seat cushion is a bit shorter than my old car's. You'll find, however, that two things will get you more comfortable: forget about how you adjusted your seat before! I've found that sitting closer and more upright aleviated the leg discomfort. The seats do, by the way, get more comfortable with use! I am 5'10"/185lbs. NuFinish: I too have to work to get the swirl marks off mine(electric green) What I do is wipe off the wax before it dries completely(sorry kneisl)and keep a damp cloth handy for wiping it over again. I find that by wiping with a damp cloth and buffing it a second time you can get the swirl marks off for the most part. Be very careful with a power buffer as you can 'burn' the paint finish. I've been using NuFinish for over 10 years and it has never let me down. It's the only wax product at that price that gives your paint a very durable 'wet' finish. My mom's Maxima is a '95 and used it on her car since new. The paint is still very glossy and people comment on the condition of it all the time.
blue echo: sorry to hear about your loss of hubcaps. The only thing I can think of is to ask Toyota, but these would probably be $$$. I'm from Brooklyn myself...people must be getting pretty pathetic there to resort to stealing ECHO hubcaps! One thing I have done with my motorcycle to deter theives: I built a device which sets off a 12 gauge sgotgun shell if the bike is moved. (the shot is removed so it doesnt kill anyone just makes a big BANG!) I wish someone would try to steal the bike and I could see the look on there faces when that baby goes off he he he!!!
Kneisl1, I would love to have your shotgun device on my car! I did switch radios so that I have a detachable face which I hope they don't steal, and I'm grateful it was just the hubcaps and nothing more damaging. I checked with the Toyota dealer and they're $30 each; Toyota Guys are 4/$99 so I might get them there. But I feel like as soon as I put them on someone's going to take them again. Grrr....
Well, 4 for $99 is pretty good I would think they would be $$ than that. There must be someone who makes a locking device to prevent such a theft that would secure the caps in place, but I cant think of one. Ive recently seen a device kind of like the club which mounts on the steering wheel. Its not a club but an alarm which goes off and its pretty conspicious. Perhaps that would work. Good luck!
Would steel wheel locks help keep the dubcaps secure? I wouldn't think so, but do remember that option being available for the Echo. You might wanna give your dealer a call about it, just to see if it would work.
two unrelated topics but....Thanks for all the suggestions about the wax. I just cleaned my little E and I still need to wax it. I had Turtle Wax in my hand, but didn't think that was the right thing to do. also, this might be weird, but almost EVERYTIME I get out of my Echo, I get a shock when I close the door. Is that happening to anyone out there???
It's from electricity build up on the carpeting and seats with your clothes. Touch the tip of your ignition key to the door frame before touching your hand to it to close it, and you will hear (and maybe see) the "shock". Then you won't get it, because that will get rid of the built up electric charge. Happens to everyone, it's not just you.
We just bought a silver 2001 Echo 4-dr auto with option pack 1, 2 and 3 and rear window defoger. Got a super deal and we love the car. So far over 40 MPG with the automatic! However I hear a slight high-pitched whine, most noticeable when decelerating at about 30 MPH. Putting the car in neutral has no effect. Does anyone else notice this?
Well before I went to my friends so he could fix my sloppy job using nu-finish I washed the car and the swirl marks had disappeared!! I still went over to his place and he used a meguirs cleaning wash and then put a coat of liquid glass on it...it looks really good, just like the day I drove it home from the dealership...ohh and about the shocks I dont think Ive ever gotten a shock from the echo, used to get them on my civic all the time, hated it..
It took $15.31 to fill up my ECHO today @ $1.60 a gallon. The most I've ever paid. I pulled in next to a Ford Expedition. He was already filling up when I arrived and was still filling up when I went in to pay. His bill was over $40 when he was through. I love my ECHO!
I suppose the best thing to do is bring it in for the dealer to look at. The only other thing I can think of making that noise without hearing it are the wheel bearings...
Hello - I'm looking into buying a new 2001 Echo.. love the look of the car but wonder because of the lightness if it drives well in the winter time. I have seen several messages about hydroplaning on water.. I live in Ohio and don't want to end up in a ditch.
Anyone have any info from dealers as to why the above does not seem to exist on dealer lots? Do they have to be special ordered? Do these options also mandate daytime running lights? Thanks.
I would not worry about hydroplaning. If it is raining heavily I would not exceed 50 Mph in this or in any other car. Years ago while living in Germany I owned several light cars (like the Echo) and never had any hydroplaning problem. Use tires with at least 4/32 inch of tread left and use good judgement, adjust your driving to the weather conditions. I live in Vancouver, Canada and here we get lots and lots of rain. I've never been even close to hydroplaning going up to 60 MPH on rainy days (no standing water and brandnew Michelin MX4 tires).
Well I used to drive the equally light VW beetle in winter and that was a great car in snow (as long as you didnt mind going 20mph) Especially nice was the fact that going uphill the already rear biased weight distribution shifted even further to the rear to provide unmatched traction going uphill even in the worst conditions. I miss that in the ECHO. I have the potenza tires. My experience is the ECHO is average in snow. Better directional stability and better braking than the VW, but traction only so so. (advantage: VW) But really, that is immaterial. To avoid accidents you must ascess the strong points and weak points of your vehicle whatever it may be. Then remain inside this performance envelope when driving, no matter what the car or conditions. Tip: in really slippery conditions, use the parking brake in short, off and on applications. (not for Subaru...those parking brakes actuate the FRONT wheels...but that provides more stopping power in an emergency.)
Well, I got my stolen hubcaps replaced today. I was trying to find the best price, and when I went to a new car wash under the Gowanus I saw they had them for $19.99. They didn't look that great, but I figured it was better than $25 by mail or $30 from the dealer. The best part was when I went to pay, the guy said "You thought you owed $80? That's $19.99 for the set!" Well, that made my day. Add $3.98 for a wash and vacuum, and they put them on for me too. Of course, they don't look great, but the guy said "Now they can steal them all they want..." So I guess for now that's the way to go, until I can find something that will keep them more secure. That or move to Jersey...
There are now two ECHOs in my driveway. We have a 2000 Seafoam Blue and now we have a new 2001 Electric Green. The cars are identical, except the color, and blue one has a cargo net.
Just to let everyone know... The rear bumper is much stronger than it looks! I was hit pretty hard from behind (the car hit my rear at an agle, not straight on), and I expected the rear bumper to be dented, and pretty much ruined. I got out of the car, and WOW... only some scratches on it! There was no dent, or anything else but a few scratches. I was impressed. Some parts kinda look flimsy, but I guess looks can be deceiving. Hope you guys never have to be hit to find that out. Have fun with your ECHO!
I just bought a third party (OEM) hood protector (not the car-bra type) for my 2001 Echo and was wondering if it will effect my car's great gas mileage (42-46 mpg) due to the small change in aerodynamic air flow over the car? I've had the Echo now for about three months and alrady have a few small rock chip dings on the fron of the hood, hence the purchase of the hood protector.
Sorry I have been away so long, but working 60+ hours a week cuts down on your free time. I also found myself in several discussions over on AOL. I have a lot of things I want to catch up on.
I got my first oil change at slightly over 5,000 miles. I think I was about a hundred miles over so that is not bad and the dealer did not say I was abusing the car.
Anyway, the morning of the oil change, I was stopped at a light and I hear this noise. It started out like hearing a jackhammer in the distance. As I accelerated, the noise grew louder and more high pitched. It was definitely coming from my car. As I decelerated for the next light by applying the brakes, the noise stopped and did not return. I would estimate that I had been driving for about fifteen minutes before the noise started and I made one stop at the post office a couple of minutes before the noise. It was something of a cool morning and I let the car warm up about ninety seconds before I started out. I mentioned the noise to the service department but they could not figure it out. Has anyone else had this problem? Oh, yea. I have a five speed manual.
Congrats to all our new Echo owners. With the rising gasoline prices, you are exhibiting your smarts. : ) Since I bought my Echo, I have always gotten my gas at Quik Trip and 87 octane is up to $1.67 a gallon. My gas tank was pretty dry my last fill up and it cost $16.70 to fill up. That was the bad news. The good news was that I got 40mpg with very little highway driving. The city gas mileage seems to have improved since the oil change. Is this possible?
Regarding stolen hubcaps. I like my plastic hubcaps the Echo came with so I think I am safe. I cannot imagine anyone would want plastic hubcaps. Especially in Kansas City.
I do not get shocked very much when getting out of my Echo and closing the door. I got shocked a lot more when driving my Escort. Now that Spring has come with Summer around the corner, the shocks are less and lighter.
Someone asked if there were any two Echo families out there. I do not belong to one, yet. I think I have mentioned this before, but I have a roommate. When I first started looking at the Echo, she said it was a nice car, but not for her. When I got the Echo, she repeated that sentiment. Now that I have had the Echo for almost five months, she has changed her tune. When we were at QuikTrip filling up, she said that she could see herself driving and owning an Echo. She likes the sea foam blue color. If we get another Echo, I think we will go with an automatic. Simply because if something happens that makes it hard or impossible to drive a manual, we are covered. The one thing she wants is a sun or moon roof. If Echos come with that option when the time comes, we will get the Echo. If it doesn't, we will go up the Toyota ladder and get a Corolla.
We got a really bad rainstorm the other night and I had the misfortune to be in it. The only good part about it was that I was in the Echo. I did reduce my speeds somewhat, but I did not feel like I was losing control at anytime and I went through some fairly deep water. I think a person should just use their head when driving the Echo (or any car) and they will do fine. Too many people drive their cars in adverse condition like the conditions are perfect and this is an invitation for disaster.
Sorry for the long post. I will try to do better about checking in.
I just bought a third party (OEM) hood protector (not the car-bra type) for my 2001 Echo and was wondering if it will effect my car's great gas mileage (42-46 mpg) due to the small change in aerodynamic air flow over the car? I've had the Echo now for about three months and alrady have a few small rock chip dings on the fron of the hood, hence the purchase of the hood protector.
rvdmerwe, is your hood protector the black cloth type that stretches onto the hood, or is it the rigid plastic deflector like a lot of minivan and pickup trucks use. I have been looking for a source for the rigid plastic deflectors to fit the ECHO since last summer, and gave up. I could not find any available in the USA.
We also got a chip on the hood over the winter, and I REALLY want one of those bug deflector things...
I just bought a third party (OEM) hood protector (not the car-bra type) for my 2001 Echo and was wondering if it will effect my car's great gas mileage (42-46 mpg) due to the small change in aerodynamic air flow over the car? I've had the Echo now for about three months and alrady have a few small rock chip dings on the fron of the hood, hence the purchase of the hood protector.
(sorry for the multiple original posting... something wrong with my borwser).. anyway:
thoover : It is one of those rigid plastic bug deflector/hood protector things. You're right, there is no company in the US that makes them, so the one I got from my Toyota dealer is manufactured in Canada by a company called 'Formfit' and the part number is HD20100S. It made from some sort of dark smoked hard plastic and moulded to blend nicely with the lines of the Echos's hood. It also doesn't require any 'drilling' to install it, which is a nice bonus. I don't know yet how well it works... so I'll post back here after driving around with it for a while. R.
I have driven a different model of car with winter tires for two winters now, and all I can say is WOW! (Michelin Arctic Alpins)
If you're used to all-season tires on a heavier car, I'm guessing you'll see similar or better winter traction with e.g. Michelin Arctic Alpins, Blizzaks on an Echo. Actually, you'll probably have better traction on ice with these tires on the Echo, than a heavier car with all-seasons.
I put the "Toyo Guard Sealer" on my Echo yesterday. It is a small bottle that came with the car. I think it is just glorified car wax but you may be able to tell me different. The Echo looks good but just like wax it is a mess on the black trim. What did you say gets it off the trim? I even put the sealer on the side and back windows; and on the plastic silver hub caps and head/tail lights. I RainXed the front windshield. Checked the tar covered air con pipes and one small piece had dropped off some. Glad the stuff did not glue to the belts. Vacuumed the interior and had more sand under the front mats than on them. Will try to do all this again in 3 to 4 months.
Thanks for the seat information. I took an extended test drive (about 40mi) last week and was statisfied. I drive an '84 Prelude now, and the Echo's seating position is a lot different, but that's part of the reason I'm interested in an Echo.
I'm ready to buy, but the dealer who provided the tester did not agree with me on the price. I'm interested in a 5-speed, all-weather package, package 1, and package 2 (don't care about the door locks, tho) in seafoam blue. Time to pester more local dealers...
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I realize this could be a personal problem :^), and I didn't try to adjust anything during my short test. I'm 5'10" tall and 225 lbs.
Your comments, please!
to an all time high Friday amid growing concern that the
U.S. markets may be short of the fuel this summer,
topping previous records set during the Persian Gulf
War a decade ago.
The gains threaten to push the retail price of gasoline
above $3 a gallon this summer as the annual driving
season begins with several key refineries down and
concern over mounting demand.
Will Echo sales increase?
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I entered by writing NAZ, day phone, and age on a 3 by 5 card and sending it in hand-addressed envelope to:
"Ride the Wave" Sweepstakes #1
P.O. Box 14583
Des Moines, Ia 50306-3583
Limit one entry per person. Must be licensed driver as of 4-6-01. Open in continental U.S.
6-15-01 is deadline to post.
And here is another address in which I entered too (grand prize is only one 2001 Echo as above):
"Ride the Wave at Hollywood Spotlight"
Sweepstakes #2
c/o seventeen
Promotion Dept
850 Third Avenus, 9th Floor
New York, NY 10022
Good luck!
Using the spongy thing is fine but be sure to remove waxes and polishes with a 100% cotton terry towel. If there is any polyester or synthetic fibers, that can causes scratches and swirl marks.
If you wash your car yourself be sure to use a good automotive car wash soap with plenty of suds and water (and use a wash mitt). This is the best way to flush the dirt off the paint
Live Happy,
breckco
They rated the Meguiars products kind of all over the place, while some were excellent in the "no scratching or hazing" area their durablity was rated very low overall.
I really like the Zymol. My car is silver and doesn't show scratches like a darker color, though.
I looked for the Prestone Bullet wax (last year) at K-Mart, Walmart, Pepboys and Autozone and none of them carried it, at least not in my area.
How come this is the recommendation considering the fact that they typically drive at higher speeds (Autobahn), rev their engines higher and most of their trips are short?
NuFinish: I too have to work to get the swirl marks off mine(electric green) What I do is wipe off the wax before it dries completely(sorry kneisl)and keep a damp cloth handy for wiping it over again. I find that by wiping with a damp cloth and buffing it a second time you can get the swirl marks off for the most part. Be very careful with a power buffer as you can 'burn' the paint finish. I've been using NuFinish for over 10 years and it has never let me down. It's the only wax product at that price that gives your paint a very durable 'wet' finish. My mom's Maxima is a '95 and used it on her car since new. The paint is still very glossy and people comment on the condition of it all the time.
Got a super deal and we love the car. So far over 40 MPG with the automatic!
However I hear a slight high-pitched whine, most noticeable when decelerating at about 30 MPH.
Putting the car in neutral has no effect.
Does anyone else notice this?
I can put the car in neutral and turn off the
key and still hear it. Could it be the tires?
I live in Vancouver, Canada and here we get lots and lots of rain. I've never been even close to hydroplaning going up to 60 MPH on rainy days (no standing water and brandnew Michelin MX4 tires).
Any other two ECHO families out there?
I just bought a third party (OEM) hood protector (not the car-bra type) for my 2001 Echo and was wondering if it will effect my car's great gas mileage (42-46 mpg) due to the small change in aerodynamic air flow over the car? I've had the Echo now for about three months and alrady have a few small rock chip dings on the fron of the hood, hence the purchase of the hood protector.
R.
I got my first oil change at slightly over 5,000 miles. I think I was about a hundred miles over so that is not bad and the dealer did not say I was abusing the car.
Anyway, the morning of the oil change, I was stopped at a light and I hear this noise. It started out like hearing a jackhammer in the distance. As I accelerated, the noise grew louder and more high pitched. It was definitely coming from my car. As I decelerated for the next light by applying the brakes, the noise stopped and did not return. I would estimate that I had been driving for about fifteen minutes before the noise started and I made one stop at the post office a couple of minutes before the noise. It was something of a cool morning and I let the car warm up about ninety seconds before I started out. I mentioned the noise to the service department but they could not figure it out. Has anyone else had this problem? Oh, yea. I have a five speed manual.
Congrats to all our new Echo owners. With the rising gasoline prices, you are exhibiting your smarts. : ) Since I bought my Echo, I have always gotten my gas at Quik Trip and 87 octane is up to $1.67 a gallon. My gas tank was pretty dry my last fill up and it cost $16.70 to fill up. That was the bad news. The good news was that I got 40mpg with very little highway driving. The city gas mileage seems to have improved since the oil change. Is this possible?
Regarding stolen hubcaps. I like my plastic hubcaps the Echo came with so I think I am safe. I cannot imagine anyone would want plastic hubcaps. Especially in Kansas City.
I do not get shocked very much when getting out of my Echo and closing the door. I got shocked a lot more when driving my Escort. Now that Spring has come with Summer around the corner, the shocks are less and lighter.
Someone asked if there were any two Echo families out there. I do not belong to one, yet. I think I have mentioned this before, but I have a roommate. When I first started looking at the Echo, she said it was a nice car, but not for her. When I got the Echo, she repeated that sentiment. Now that I have had the Echo for almost five months, she has changed her tune. When we were at QuikTrip filling up, she said that she could see herself driving and owning an Echo. She likes the sea foam blue color. If we get another Echo, I think we will go with an automatic. Simply because if something happens that makes it hard or impossible to drive a manual, we are covered. The one thing she wants is a sun or moon roof. If Echos come with that option when the time comes, we will get the Echo. If it doesn't, we will go up the Toyota ladder and get a Corolla.
We got a really bad rainstorm the other night and I had the misfortune to be in it. The only good part about it was that I was in the Echo. I did reduce my speeds somewhat, but I did not feel like I was losing control at anytime and I went through some fairly deep water. I think a person should just use their head when driving the Echo (or any car) and they will do fine. Too many people drive their cars in adverse condition like the conditions are perfect and this is an invitation for disaster.
Sorry for the long post. I will try to do better about checking in.
Major Thom out.
I just bought a third party (OEM) hood protector (not the car-bra type) for my 2001 Echo and was wondering if it will effect my car's great gas mileage (42-46 mpg) due to the small change in aerodynamic air flow over the car? I've had the Echo now for about three months and alrady have a few small rock chip dings on the fron of the hood, hence the purchase of the hood protector.
R.
We also got a chip on the hood over the winter, and I REALLY want one of those bug deflector things...
I just bought a third party (OEM) hood protector (not the car-bra type) for my 2001 Echo and was wondering if it will effect my car's great gas mileage (42-46 mpg) due to the small change in aerodynamic air flow over the car? I've had the Echo now for about three months and alrady have a few small rock chip dings on the fron of the hood, hence the purchase of the hood protector.
R.
thoover : It is one of those rigid plastic bug deflector/hood protector things. You're right, there is no company in the US that makes them, so the one I got from my Toyota dealer is manufactured in Canada by a company called 'Formfit' and the part number is HD20100S. It made from some sort of dark smoked hard plastic and moulded to blend nicely with the lines of the Echos's hood. It also doesn't require any 'drilling' to install it, which is a nice bonus. I don't know yet how well it works... so I'll post back here after driving around with it for a while.
R.
your hood deflector the have the rigid plastic
If you're used to all-season tires on a heavier car, I'm guessing you'll see similar or better winter traction with e.g. Michelin Arctic Alpins, Blizzaks on an Echo. Actually, you'll probably have better traction on ice with these tires on the Echo, than a heavier car with all-seasons.
Happy motorin'
Rick D.
I'm ready to buy, but the dealer who provided the tester did not agree with me on the price. I'm interested in a 5-speed, all-weather package, package 1, and package 2 (don't care about the door locks, tho) in seafoam blue. Time to pester more local dealers...