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Honda Civic 2005 and earlier



  • dudkadudka Posts: 451
    all i know if i go from my stock 185/65-14 to 195/55-15 the circumference will be the same or go to 205/45-16. if you go throught the posts here on edmunds, someone posted a link to tire calculator last year, i just don`t have it on this computer.
    daytime running light module would probably come with instructions on how to connect, if it is from honda. or you can set up a simple relay and voltage reducer system that would turn high beams on at 60% once the engine is running. it would require some wire splicing though.
  • inkyinky Posts: 370
    Walmart carries Motorcraft 5w20 and Pep Boys carries 5w20 Penzoil. Honda makes some also, but check out oil topics in maintenance town hall for much discussion about the real reason Honda went to 5w20. I live in Tulsa and this is thin oil. Provides 1 mpg better but at addtional wear over 5 w30.
  • carguy62carguy62 Posts: 545
    This site will show you exactly what you need:
  • civic_cx_92civic_cx_92 Posts: 87
    error in my calculations, I will delete my erroneous posts. :o(

    also use:

  • oldstuffoldstuff Posts: 14
    I purchased a 2001 Civic LX auto and have had many problems with the car. The gas guage is incredibly inaccurate, after only 100 miles, it reads half a tank and after 210 miles it read bone dry, then I pump 6.6 gallons into it to fill it up. The doors rattle and the dealer said they were out of adjustment and corrected, a new fuel sensor is ordered, I'll see if that helps, the dash makes many annoying noises from popping sounds when cold and normal driving rattles, they have not been able to isolate it. The trunk has clunked me and my wife in the head when we put the trunk up, and while loading luggage, it decides to come back down beaning you in the head. The one good point is it was getting 28 mpg when new but after about 2000 miles it started going up and is up to 32 mpg now. Also, it is a comfortable car and handles well. Its just that I'm starting to wonder if Honda's are now being built in Flint Michigan with the kind of shabby fit & finish that our union corn fed auto makers are well known for.
  • mdrivermdriver Posts: 385
    Yep, I think the general consensus is that the 01 Civic is at best, no better than the previous model. Like the Chrysler quote: If you don't lead, you better get out of the way (or something like that), I think Honda has learned a few tricks from GM - complacency
  • scooter62scooter62 Posts: 18
    Yes, there may be some issues with the Civic, but right now my '01 LX is much better than my '86. My Civic was built in Canada. I'd rather have it than 95% of what's out there!

    Inky - I live in MN, only a few days a year above 90, many below 0. The thin oil may be better suited for me? I didnt find specific reasons why Honda switched. Can you give me a bottom line? Thanks
  • civic_cx_92civic_cx_92 Posts: 87
    Here's my take on why 2001 Civic sedans are better than 2000 model.

    2001 best in class, offset head-on crash test by IIHS much improved over 2000

    2001 Civic gets better gas mileage than 2000

    DX & LX w/4-Cyl. 1.7L Engine & Manual Trans.: City 32; Hwy 39

    DX & LX w/4-Cyl. 1.7L Engine & Auto Trans.: City 30; Hwy 38

    DX & LX w/4-Cyl. 1.6L Engine & Manual Trans.: City 32; Hwy 37

    DX & LX w/4-Cyl. 1.6L Engine & Auto Trans.: City 28; Hwy 35

    New Civic puts out more power

    2001 CIVIC LX (HP 115; Torque 110) 2000 CIVIC LX (HP 106; Torque 103)

    New Civic gains:

    185/70-14 tires, 13.2 gallon fuel tank, Cassette on AM/FM,Trunk Entrapment release, Front spoiler, Latching child safety seats anchors, 12.9 cu ft cargo capacity, Silver satin metallic color option

    While losing:

    185/65-14 tires, 11.9 gallon fuel tank, Front armrest with storage, 11.9 cu ft cargo capacity, Teal Iced Pearl color option

    2001 CIVIC LX ES1551PW Sedan 4D (5-Spd.) (w/o Side Air Bags) retail $15010

    2000 CIVIC LX EJ657YPBW Sedan 4D (5-Spd.) retail $14930

    I'd say that's quite an improvement for only $80 more retail.
  • bordsourcebordsource Posts: 95
    Thanks for the site! It's just what I needed. I've got about .25 to work with, right? I can't recall exactly how much I have until things start to go really wonky. But the stock 185/65/15s are 24.47 in diameter...the 215/50/16s are 24.46, but I'm not sure how the increase in section width will affect things, particularly in the areas of rolling resistance and turning radius. Dunno. The best compromise to me seems to be either a 195/55/16, or a 205/60/15, at 24.44 and 24.69" respectively. But, honestly, I have no clue what I'm getting myself into. Would those 215s work okay? Oh, and for anyone upgrading tire sizes, try to get either the Kumho Supra Ecsta or the Yokohama AVS dB. I've heard that both are excellent.
  • dudkadudka Posts: 451
    i would only say that going from 185/65-14 to 185/70-14 is actually a downgrade. higher ratio of width to side wall height increases rolling, why do you think all performance tires are bellow xxx/55-xx because lower side wall reduces rolling. it may come at a price though, more harsh ride
  • mdrivermdriver Posts: 385
    Having a cassette, 185/70R14 tires, an extra 1.3 gallons for fuel and an extra 1 cu.ft. trunk space are gains? Yes I'll give you the excellent crash testing results, Honda nailed that one. As for the power, it is all but offset by the additional weight of each model. Those tires are actually not gains due to their slightly taller profile compared to the 2000's 185/65 tires, thereby reducing handling capability slightly. I don't think people are drooling at the thought of that extra 1 cu.ft. trunk space. Anybody can increase a gas tank and trunk capacity, or add a cassette or make a metallic silver colour option available - where's the Honda innovation?
  • dudkadudka Posts: 451
    save the recipts and if the same problem occurs three times, honda has to buy the car back under the lemon law. maybe they are forgetting they japanese heritage, then we all should look somewhere else. if they think they can ride on their popularity alone, people are not as stupid as they think we are, we will find out eventually about the quality of new cars, and what took almost 30 years to achieve will be lost in a matter of few years. i am talking about honda`s legendary quality and reliability.
  • civic_cx_92civic_cx_92 Posts: 87
    What do you want from $15,000 compact sedan?
    If you have a family with a kid or two these upgrades are a blessing:
    longer range, quieter and softer ride, safer child seat anchors, kids can get out of locked trunk, go longer between oil change maintenance, and extra cargo space.
    I'm just saying all those things along with new sharp design are great improvements for $80.
    I'm not talking to 5% who wants to buy the next Honda version of SVO Focus, I'm talking about rest of us who live in the real world... commute 10 miles each way in the gridlock, buy grocery, take the kids to daycare, wanting a safer car with good gas milage - and Honda reliability.
  • carguy62carguy62 Posts: 545
    Isn't that mandated now? I'm a Honda fan but like any business they don't do anything without a reason. I also think the extra interior space is a mirage. So you have a flat floor in the rear, unless you sit on the floor, how much does that really help? I'm sure I'm in the minority but I still prefer the '92-95 (was that 4 or 5 G?) model over the next two.
  • With most of the models Honda uses different wiring harnesses for the US and Canadian models so there likely isn't a spot to plug in the module for the daytime running lights in the US version.

  • bryan27bryan27 Posts: 8
    I just ordered a keyless remote and floor mats from that site, good quick service.
  • justinjustin Posts: 1,918
    They had cool outside door handles, but no grill and the back end of the sedan was the SAME as the back end of the coupe. Kind of cheap that they did not bother to differentiate between the two. The 96-00 Civics were nicer, but the 96 and 97 had that HORRIBLE set up for the cassette or CD player (on the floor) and all gen 6's coupes had cheap cheap cheap fading awful looking door armrest fabric. My 97 Civic Coupe door handle and center armrest had to be replaced because the fabric wore out. This time they did the whole car right, except for the fact that the controls (radio and temp control) seem to almost point AWAY from the driver..
  • dudkadudka Posts: 451
    i drive 30 miles every day to work and then 30 miles from work, sometimes in traffic, but if i time it right i get ahead of the jam before it forms, i need the road holding capabilities of my gen 6 civic to get me ahead of the slow poke idiot who is driving the speed limit in the left lane, and is causing all that traffic jam. i usually do 90 to get to a point where i noticed the jams originate, and then i just drive like evryone else in th left lane, 70.

    anyway, i noticed the new trunk release handles on new hondas. how many of you parents have tought your kids how to use them, and have you tried to find it in the darkness of the trunk. from what the handle looked like it would only glow in the dark for couple of minutes. it is not like it is lit up, which is what i would do if i had a kid. get a white or blue LED from radio schack, solder in a resistor and wire it to the battery. that way the handle is always lit. the only reason honda and other car manufacturers are putting these things in their cars is because some idiot half baked parent didn`t lock their saturn`s trunk when went home. and when the kids were playing hide and go seek, some kid decided, "what a good place to hide, no one will find me here." well, no one did until next morning. then the parents sued GM, even though i don`t think it was gm`s fault, gm settled out of court. honda is just covering its back. how many 5 year olds would know to push,pull or turn that handle when they are scared and panicked in the dark?
  • oops13oops13 Posts: 16
    I take advantage of the flat rear floor every time I make the 3 hr trip to visit with family. My two kids in their cars seats and the German Shepard on the floor. I haven't asked her yet, but I think she (the dog) really appreciates not having that hump in the middle. If you don't put the front seats more than half way back then there really is a tremendous amount of room on the rear floor area. The one thing that I would take over the flat floor is a civic wagon. I thought long and hard about a focus wagon but one thing kept coming to mind. It's no good to have a new car when chances are it is going to spend a lot of time in the shop for recalls and TSB's.
  • tazerelitazereli Posts: 241
    My 98 EX sedan also has that horrible option of putting the CD or cassete on the floor. It also makes it impossible to use the cup holders and the CD at the same time. When I saw that setup i thought no way. So I had to suffer with just an AM/FM. Is it possible to put an after market stereo where the stock head unit is? I dont want to have to put it where the stock cassette fits. If thats the case then Ill just have Honda put in a CD changer in the trunk and leep the head unit stock. Unfortunatle with that it will cost be an arm and a leg. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

  • justinjustin Posts: 1,918
    I took my 97 Civic to Cicuit City. They have the CD changer that works with the head unit. I think it was $300 for everything, installed. Of course, this was back in 97...;) It is either a Pioneer or a Kenwood, can't remember.
  • carguy62carguy62 Posts: 545
    Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I prefer the no grill look. My Accord is from the no grill era as well. As for the different back end between coupe and sedan, doesn't matter to me. Maybe I'm even thinking of the generation before that, I know there's a web site that has all the Hondas, anybody know it? My brother has a '97 Civic and I agree about the hvac/radio pod. I still haven't decided on the '01. From the front and sides I like the sedan, but the back doesn't do it for me. The coupe is growing on me, but again that back end... Seen the RSX yet?, looks just like the Civic coupe, imo.
  • justinjustin Posts: 1,918
    I agree. The new Civic is nice from the front and side. The profile is remarkably Jetta-esque, don't you think?

    The back lights are too small or something like that....
  • dudkadudka Posts: 451
    honda announced that they will offer disel in the 2002 accord, in europe only though. it will be developed by isuzu.
  • tazerelitazereli Posts: 241
    Thank you for your input. If you could remember what model specifically it was that would be great. Im not a fan at all of circuit city after several customer relations problems so Im looking at going to Best Buy for the stereo and/or cd changer. i want to see if they might carry the same model as Circuit City. One more question, does anyone know if an aftermarket stereo will fit where the stock head unit is or do i have to suffer with having it where the cd player would go behind the cupholder (98 civic EX)


  • markd7markd7 Posts: 8
    Two weeks ago. Mine was made in Canada and I got 34 mpg on the 1st tank (auto). Seems quite a difference from oldstuff's experience. Quite pleased with the fit, finish, etc. but time will tell how it holds up. No gas gauge problem..

    Also for scooter62, I just received a case of AMSOIL 5W20. Will use Honda filters and do my own change every 5K at least while it's under warranty. Since Honda says 5W20, I'll follow their lead, but I definitely want a synthetic in there. I have a 1990 Probe that still runs, but got cam damage from being started and driven after being parked outside in 26 below weather overnight with regular oil (Castrol GTX) in it. It rattles when cold, has some hesitation, but I got 183,000 out of it with no major problems.
  • woatawoata Posts: 2
    Hi all, just bought a 2001 Civic EX auto 4dr this Monday for 100 over invoice, great car.

    There is a problem thought, very time I go over a bump or dip, a creaking sound will occur from the front driver's side suspension. Just had it checked by a Honda Dealer and they told me Honda HQ got lots of complain for the same problem and is looking for a possible recall to fix it.

    I searched the Web but I couldn't found any information about this problem. Anyone else had similar problem??
    What should I do now?? Wait for the recall or ask my Dealer give me a new one (most likely they wouldn't)??
  • jrct9454jrct9454 Posts: 2,363
    I just checked, and there has not been a TSB published yet on this problem - however, I have heard it come up before, so would not be surprised if they are working on it.

    In the meantime, try this [worked temporarily on various Toyotas that have had this problem in the past]:

    Get a can of spray silicon lubricant, and give all of the accessible suspension bushings a shot of it. The prime suspect in the Toyotas was the bushings for the front anti-sway bar, but anyplace where the suspension moves against rubber or plastic connections is suspect. This may or may not temporarily solve your problem, but it is worth a try.

    In checking the TSBs for the '01 Civic, I do note both the TCM problem, as well as the well-known problem of radios going to "code", and the oft-noted difficulties with fuel gauges and sending units. All of these are clearly known to the factory, and thus known to any dealer. You may have to push them sometimes in the direction of an existing TSB...they can be accessed at the NHTSA website.
  • volkejvolkej Posts: 108
    I'm considering a 2001 Civic with an auto trans, but I have concerns about driving it in the mountains. I drive frequently from Sacramento to Lake Tahoe which entails driving up some fairly long grades. How does the Civic with an auto do in mountain driving? Does it do a lot of hunting for a gear it's happy with?
    The sales people I've talked to have told me about some new shift logic in the trans that stops the gear hunting, but I'm not sure whether or not that's just sales speak.
    Anybody have a clue?
  • jrct9454jrct9454 Posts: 2,363
    The new Civics have plenty of power, but plan on spending a certain amount of time in third gear on the way up to Tahoe, no matter what the dealer tells you. It won't "hunt" if you do it yourself...there are going to be stretches on either I80 or US50 where the only thing for it is to manually shift it into third, and leave it there until the grade smooths out. Do that, and I think you will find the car has plenty of poop to handle the trip. But don't confuse this with a V6 are torque-challenged in this class of car, and the only thing to do with the automatic sometimes is to grab 3rd gear and hold it.
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