Honda Civic 2005 and earlier

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  • andsmiandsmi Member Posts: 6
    Okay, their fine with throwing in the floor mats (probably already had them...who knows, so I just asked anyway)

    now when I sign the paperwork they want to ad this

      Chemical Package (rust/scotchgaurd/etc.) $545 -- I think this is a rip off!! Any opinions?

      Extended Warranty ( 5 years/100,000 miles (I put 25k on it a year so the years aren't a problem) for $767 or something. I like this option--It is supposedly bumper to bumper, and for that price it seems like a good deal?

    Any opinions? I'm gonna say no way on the Chemical Package, cause I think it's a croc, unless someone can tell me different.

    Let me know...thanks.
  • ncampbell2002ncampbell2002 Member Posts: 163
    Floor mats are not included with the car and I believe are an $87 accessory. Don't bother with the chemical package. The body is guaranteed by Honda for 5yr. 60000 miles against rusting. Most carpet cleaners have the ability to scotchgard fabrics. If you have one check in to it. It's VERY easy to do this yourself but if you don't want to do it yourself I highly recommend getting it done because it is very effective in preventing stains from setting in. You can do what you want with the extended warranty but with Honda's track record I would pocket the $767 unless you drive your cars to the extreme, and from what you say about the miles you drive every year, I would assume you drive a lot of highway miles which are the easiest miles a car could experience. Just my opinion though. You make the final decision. Good luck.
  • gregoryc1gregoryc1 Member Posts: 764
    I would take the 5 year / 100,000 mile warranty for $767.00. That breaks down to $153.40 over a five year period. That is cheap mechanical insurance if you put high mileage on the vehicle very quickly! We have a 2003 4 cylinder Accord, and a 2004 4 cylinder Civic, and both vehicles have a 7 year / 100,000 mile warranty. We will average about 12,000 miles on the Civic per year, and 18,000 to 20,000 miles on the Accord per year, so as such, the time end of the warranty is more important to us. But for seven years we do not have to be concerned about the cost of a major repair. A simple Alternator, Starter or AC compressor replacement after 3 years or 36,000 miles could add up to the cost of the warranty. Naturally, it is a personal choice. If you purchase an extended warranty be sure to keep good maintenance records. ------Just my opinion.-----Have a nice day. -----Greg
  • bigkahunaflbigkahunafl Member Posts: 128
    I am considering buying the Michelin Energy MXV4 Plus tires for my 2001 EX Sedan. The tires that came on the vehicle were P185/65R15 86H and the Michelin are P185/65R15 88H.

    Has anyone put a set of these on their Civic?

    Will changing from an 86H to an 88H cause a problem with my car?

    Any help would be appreciated.
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    If I were you I would NOT get the Michelin Energy MXV4 Plus tires for a Civic. They are standard equipment on the Hyundai Elantra, and Elantra owners are reporting poor tread life, i.e. around 30,000 miles +/-. Mine ('01 Elantra) have 26k on them and I am sure I'm going to need to replace them before next winter, at about 30k. There are other options out there with much better tread life and less expensive to boot. I replaced the Michelin OEM tires on my Grand Caravan with Goodyear Regatta II's a year ago and have been very happy with them.
  • bigkahunaflbigkahunafl Member Posts: 128
    backy, thanks for the response.

    What about a tire with 88H instead of the 86H standard on the Civic - is that type of change bad?
  • port_48port_48 Member Posts: 27
    Unless they'll throw in the CD combo and other things you want for free, I'd wait and buy those items off EBay after you get the car. Folks get rid of their factory radios when they upgrade with aftermarket stuff, selling the OEM for pennies on the dollar.

    As for mud guards, I'd stay away from the front ones. Mine rubbed the paint off where they contacted the car.

    '02 Civic DX
  • ncampbell2002ncampbell2002 Member Posts: 163
    All that the 86 and 88 mean are what the tire can hold as far as gross weight. The higher the number, the more weight it can hold. The H is the speed rating.
  • slickracerslickracer Member Posts: 38
    I have Firestone LH30's on my 2003 EX sedan and they are wonderful, especially wet traction.
  • jfigueroa1jfigueroa1 Member Posts: 209
    Long time I do not write but i have been keeping up with the msg,s. I was wandering if any of you people know when is the new civic and is there any spy picture of it?

    Greeting from VA
    fig.
  • crv16crv16 Member Posts: 205
    The MXV4's are pretty good tires. They are very well made, and have low rolling resistance. This is something not many people know about. Low rolling resistance tires can add 2 or 3% to your fuel economy. The downside to these tires is that they seem to wear faster than most "touring" tires. I had them on my 2001 Accord, and replaced them at 38k miles, however they could have gone about 50k miles before hitting the wear bars. I like to replace tires well before they reach that point.
  • port_48port_48 Member Posts: 27
    Any help on OBD2 devices for use with my 2002 Civic would be appreciated. I've found units ranging from displaying the DTCs to ones with software that can be used with Palms/Pocket PCs/laptops to display real time engine performance. While the latter would be nice to have I'm not sure it's work the $$ at this point.

    Thanks,

    William
    02 Civic DX
    20300 miles
  • patpat Member Posts: 10,421
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  • cartagramcartagram Member Posts: 115
    The latest reviews of the Civic--I think it was an Economy Sedan comparison in particular--imply that the car has a good amount of sound insulation.

    My 2001 Civic LX sounded comparatively loud to me. Have more recent model years improved in their sound insulation?
  • crazygrrrlcrazygrrrl Member Posts: 85
    Well, I just bought gas today at $2.19 a gallon (yes, for 87 Octane gas in the California northern bay area).

    I spent about $17.00 to fill up the tank. I am so glad that my Civic gets 34-36 mpg in my stop-and-go commute. I'd hate to imagine how much SUV drivers are paying to fill their tanks.
  • port_48port_48 Member Posts: 27
    I love thinking about how much SUV owners are paying to fill up their tank. I try to fill my 02 DX 5spd up at a pump where there's an SUV owner filling up. I even calculate my MPG while sitting there, exclaiming "WOW! Another 36mpg around town, and with the A/C running!".

    They're still there after I've finished, paid, and made a round trip after going to get some dinners.

    It makes me feel even better when I see an Excursion or Suburban with one person driving it.
  • cartagramcartagram Member Posts: 115
    Just wondering if the Excursions and Suburbans of the world are keeping our costs down for gasoline. If these SUVs didn't exist, would our gas prices be higher, lower, or the same?
  • crazygrrrlcrazygrrrl Member Posts: 85
    If everyone's car was fuel efficient, then maybe the price would be lower because the demand is lower. But then again, if the demand is lower, OPEC would decrease production and that would increase prices, so we're back at squre one.

    One thing's for sure, I see a lot less mid-size to large honkin SUV's now than in January. The mini-utes are still out in force.
  • port_48port_48 Member Posts: 27
    My last off topic post - to a certain degree I believe you are correct. Quotas will be adjusted to keep price levels. However, I believe those nations have a certain level of debt and standard of living they have to support. There is a minimum price that they can't financially go below or they start suffering.

    Another note: Why have big oils profits been so record breaking as our price per gallon have been so high? Think about that one for a minute.

    Wm now returns to your regularly scheduled Civic-related postings.
  • patpat Member Posts: 10,421
    Returning to our regularly scheduled Civic-related postings is an excellent idea. :)
  • cartagramcartagram Member Posts: 115
    I'm considering returning to a Civic after owning a great 5-speed '99 Accord. One reason is that my teen is about to get his learner's permit and while my teaching him to drive a stick is moderately successful, I'd like him to drive an automatic when he's out on his own in 2.5 years.

    The LX is adequate--but the EX has ABS. Will that be safer for him? Or could it be disconcerting when used, thus limiting his braking? Can I expect to train him on using ABS so that if/when the situation arises, he'll use it fully?
  • ncampbell2002ncampbell2002 Member Posts: 163
    I haven't personally tested between the two but I read an article in the July 2002 Motor Trend magazine testing the 2002 Civic LX and I quote "Likewise the Civic's brakes came up short when pushed. During emergency-stop testing, unpredictable lockup made a straight, true stop difficult. Braking distances were, by far the longest of the four cars in this group". (tested against a Ford Focus SE, Mitsubishi Lancer ES, and a Toyota Corolla CE). I have ABS on my Civic and it works well when needed and I have no problem with not being able to stop in time for normal braking. Well you make your own final decision on this I'm just relating some supposedly un-biased information to you.
  • cartagramcartagram Member Posts: 115
    ncampbell...good to hear some test results. That'll help me make my decision. I've heard that ABS users sometimes panic when they feel and hear the brakes working, causing them to back off the brakes. I figure I'll have to train my teen to activate the ABS several times, so he understands that the noise and feel are normal.
  • brunodag2brunodag2 Member Posts: 3
    I bought a '04 Civic EX recently and thought buying the extended warranty (100,000 miles/7 years/$100 deductible) was a good idea. Now, I'm not so sure. For the price I paid ($1895 w/ alloy rim insurance as well) I think I might have been ripped off and am considering canceling the warranty. I still have about 10 days to cancel. What has everybody's experience been with prices paid for these extended warranties and if you think they are needed at all?
  • cartagramcartagram Member Posts: 115
    I can't comment on their cost-effectiveness given the reliability of the Civic, but one consideration is that you have one day less than 3 years or one mile less 36K before you "have" to purchase an extended warranty.

    Double-check with several Honda dealers (or call Honda's national phone number), but I'm sure you can cancel your extended warranty now and wait until you're approaching the end of your Civic's standard 3/36 warranty to purchase the extended warranty--if you're so inclined at that point in time (and in your Civic's reliability history).
  • gregoryc1gregoryc1 Member Posts: 764
    Extended warranties are nothing more than insurance. We have a 2003 Honda Accord and a 2004 Honda Civic. (Both vehicles are a "purchase" not a lease). We have a 7 year 100,000 mile "0" deductable warranty on each vehicle. After three years or 36,000 miles your original warranty will be gone. It is a nice feeling to have that added protection for the next 64,000 miles. One major repair, and you make your money back +!!!----If you lease a new vehicle for over 36 months, you will need an extended warranty, because after 36 months or 36,000 miles you are out of warranty, and if something goes wrong, YOU are responsible for the repair. ----Greg
  • sandman46sandman46 Member Posts: 1,798
    Cancel the warranty and wait until you get close to the 36k point. I've owned Toyotas and Nissans since the mid '80's and have never had, nor needed, the extended warranty as no real problems cropped up before the 36k mark. It's really a crap shoot...how lucky do you feel?
    There are good points on each side of this issue, personally, I'd wait and put the money into the bank or a mutual fund. Also, think about the exceptional reliability record of Hondas, on par with those of Nissan and Toyota. Any manufacturer can produce a lemon, but the % is very small with the big 3 imports.
    Just my humble opinion!

    The Sandman :-)
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Member Posts: 2,798
    I would say definateley cancel your overpriced warranty. You have until 2 years and 24,000 miles to get in on the 7 year/80,000 (or 100,000) miles coverage with $50 deductible for about $700 (From a Honda dealer in VT, or website specifically selling Honda care warranties). The cost will be more after 2 years/24,000 miles but before 3 years/36,000 miles as per Honda care proshure. I am not sure you will get the whole $1900 that you paid, because about $1200 of it is pure dealer profit.

    By 2 years, 24,000 miles you will have a better feel if you really need this coverage. You may end up selling or getting rid of the car by then, and not needing warranty.
  • brunodag2brunodag2 Member Posts: 3
    I did end up cancelling the extended warranty. I really don't think I'll need it anyway. If it seems that my new Civic with less than 2000 miles on it is a lemon, than I'll buy the warranty in the future. I believe in the quality of a Honda however and am confident in my decision. I'm even happier that I could one up the car dealership and not let them take advantage of me. Again thanks for the advice.
  • rutger3rutger3 Member Posts: 361
    When will the auto mfgs learn that abs should be standard in all cars. Not only would it make the car safer,but it would also make the problem of driver's not being experienced with using them go away after a while. I agree using abs the first time can be disconcerting,but just like everyone got use to power steering and brakes when they first came out,this will not be an issue after a year or so. The problem with most mfg's is that they make you choose between trim lines based on safety. This is just a profit move since by going for the EX,you must take the sunroof and alloys even if you don't want them. Honda has always been behind the curve on this, but are slowly catching up as evidenced by the Accord LX now standard with abs. Btw,that being the case, the difference between an Accord LX and a Civic EX is not as much as it used to be. The next issue which needs improvement is the side air bag situation, way too many models in the Honda lineup. Side air bags, curtain side airbags, abs,no abs, too darn confusing and it needn't be.
  • moparbadmoparbad Member Posts: 3,870
    Honda Motor Co. announced that it will cut Civic production at its East Liberty, Ohio, plant in order to make room for a limited amount of Accord production at the plant, starting next month. Currently, Accords are not made in East Liberty, but excess capacity of the slow-selling Civic and increased demand for the Accord and its Acura TL counterpart - which is made alongside the Accord in Marysville, Ohio - is pushing Honda's hand in the matter.
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Member Posts: 2,798
    My view on ABS, 4WD, VSC and such is that people are trying to compensate for their lack of skill with electronic guizmos. These "nanny add-ons" give the driver a false sence of invincibility. How many time have you seen a 4x4 pass you by in a blizzard at high rate of speed, only to wreck a few yeards ahead of you. The driver of this SUV thought, he/she was invincible because they had ABS, VSC, 4WD and mass of SUV.

    Anyone can learn to modulate their own brakes in an emergency situation. They just have to make a consieous effort to learn, just like driving stick, rolling ones windows, or maintaining speed manually instead of cruise control. But that would be another topic.

    Some enthusiasts go as far as disableing ABS to allow better control of the vehicle. Sometimes I wish my car did not have ABS, as they intrude way too often.
    Just my $0.02
  • cartagramcartagram Member Posts: 115
    I'm interested in getting ABS in an automatic Civic--to replace my '99 5-speed Accord--because I have a teenage driver who will soon get his learner's permit.

    I would prefer he drives in traffic with an automatic, although I've been giving him 5-speed lessons since he turned 12.

    ABS was something I thought necessary. If it can't be effectively taught, then how can modulating non-ABS brakes be taught? What braking techniques would you recommend?
  • snarkssnarks Member Posts: 207
    In a panic ABS works very well, you just hold the pedal to the floor and the car pumps the brake. It has been proven over and over again even with pro's driving and encountering suprises they stop better with ABS. Well worth the money IMHO.

    In regular stopping you can learn to regulate the brakes on a non-ABS car. Its the emergency situations, my instinct is still to push the pedal to the floor. (I own a non-ABS Civic).
  • lngtonge18lngtonge18 Member Posts: 2,228
    There is no way you can outsmart a computer and modulate the brakes better in an emergency situation. ABS is not a nanny masking bad driving skills. It is a legitimate safety feature that can perform better then even the most skilled driver. The false sense of security and driving faster then conditions allow is what needs to be worked on, not their ability to pump a brake pedal manually.
  • lngtonge18lngtonge18 Member Posts: 2,228
    I'm real curious why you want your son to drive an automatic? If you have taught him to drive a stick since he was 12, he should be more then able to handle it in traffic situations. And in my opinion, driving a stick requires more concentration to drive so it would require him to be more alert. It's also much more difficult to eat and drive a stick so it discourages such distracting activities. If he would prefer to drive a stick, don't stifle the dream so early! You took the first step in actually teaching him the art of driving a stick, which so few parents do anymore. Don't kill it now! Keep the interest alive so companies will continue offering it as an option.
  • moparbadmoparbad Member Posts: 3,870
    Driving a stick is no hinderance at all to eating, drinking and cell phone use when driving based on my observations of other drivers. When I drive my truck I have good view of interiors and manual trans. drivers are just as bad as auto trans. drivers. Perhaps worse, since they are adding more required activities to fewer resources.
  • cartagramcartagram Member Posts: 115
    Actually, he's not totally taught. We go to schools on weekends and try to drive the longest axis of a parking lot. Sometimes he tries to make the turn at the end or sometimes, in wide open lots, he'll turn in a circle. Mostly he's in 1st; once or twice he's made it into 2nd.

    My concern is that he'll be stuck in an intersection, or coasting out of a driveway, and fail to get it in gear as traffic bears down on him.

    So that's why I believe I'll have one less stress to manage if he's only got two pedals to operate. But you're right about limiting eating and phones--at least in my experience. He's tenacious enough to try to make shifting, steering, eating and phone succeed simultaneously.

    (Thanks to all who have/will comment. I'd like to hear more parents' experiences.)
  • lngtonge18lngtonge18 Member Posts: 2,228
    Once on the highway, you are correct, driving a manual isn't any harder when trying to eat etc. But believe me, trying to eat or talking on a cell phone is very difficult when you are trying to shift, steer, use the turn signal, etc while driving in the city. It annoys me enough I will purposely not eat or not make phone calls while driving in city traffic. I know some people try to do it all, but most realize very quickly its too dangerous and will stop what they are doing to concentrate on shifting the gears. Thus, why I think a manual tranny forces the driver to not only be more involved with the car but also to be more alert with what they are doing.
  • lngtonge18lngtonge18 Member Posts: 2,228
    I'll never forget the day my dad let me drive the 92 Accord EX 5 speed when I was about 14. I made it ok down part of our side street, but all hell broke loose when my dad instructed me to stop and then start off again. Somehow my foot slipped off the clutch pedal but my other foot was still on the gas, so I basically popped the clutch. The car lunged forward and chirped the tires, which scared me and caused me to lift my foot off the gas. This in turn put the car into a nonstop jerking motion, chirping the tires repeatedly, with my dad yelling, "PUSH THE $$$% CLUTCH IN!!!". I finally was able to push the clutch back down and stop the crazy jerking (how it never stalled is beyond me). The ashen/red look on my dad's face and the following comment will stick with me forever: "YOU JUST TOOK 10,000 MILES OFF THE CLUTCH!" LOL It still makes me laugh to this day (that clutch lasted till the car was totalled at 184k by the way). That was my only bad experience with a stick though. By the time I was 15, I was driving the stick as if it was second nature in heavy I95 rush hour traffic. I was good enough that once I turned 16 they let me drive a major highway 5 days a week 15 miles one way to school.

    You should find a quiet neighborhood to let him shift up a few more gears and get a better feel for it. Thats how I was able to learn it good before my dad let me loose on the open road. But I realize you are just very concerned with his safety.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    What is important to you isn't at all important to a lot of other people.

    A lot of Honda buyers couldn't care less about ABS or side airbags.

    I nearly lost a sale last week. It was the right model and color but the buyers found zero value in paying 250.00 estra because it happened to have side air bags.

    Can't please everyone.
  • moparbadmoparbad Member Posts: 3,870
    ABS is polarizing. Some people hate it, some love it, I'm in the latter category. Wish there was a switch to turn off the ABS sometimes though.
    I'm surprised the side airbags are not more popular. People must feel that an accident will never happen to them. I've seen the value of airbags front and side firsthand as I am a firefighter part time. Seatbelts and airbags are often the difference between the walking wounded and a funeral.
  • cartagramcartagram Member Posts: 115
    I'll stick with it a bit longer. BTW, my first cluth experience wrecked three cars. Not totally wrecked, fortunately. A girl friend had me back her Datsun Honeybee (or whatever it was called) out of an apt. complex parking space. That went fine.

    When I straightened the wheels, slipped the stick into 1st, that's the moment that Satan entered the transmission. The Datsun lurched forward, and despite my hitting the brakes, accelerated until it hit one parked car and pushed it into the car next to it.

    Coincidentally, the girl had told the owner of the first victim vehicle to come out and watch her teach her boy friend how to drive a stick.

    We broke up some time after that incident. If only things could've worked out between us--her dad worked for State Farm.
  • rutger3rutger3 Member Posts: 361
    valid point,perhaps with the abs,but i still do not understand why anyone would feel safer in a car without airbags than with. If that persons 13 year old daughter or spouse was in the passenger seat and was broadsided tell me why they wouldn't want those side bags. Btw, if honda makes them standard then you wouldn't lose a sale because just like a cd player if it isn't listed as an extra cost option then they won't care. Also, using your argument then why did Honda make abs standard on the Accord, if nobody wants them?
  • blueiedgodblueiedgod Member Posts: 2,798
    I learnt how to drive on an 83 Checy celebrity with an automatic tranny. After a year of dirving that, I realized that there was more to driving than getting from point A to point B. After test driving a few vehicles, all automatics, I concluded that shifting your own gears, despite living in the Bronx, was the way to go for me. Against adivses from my parents and friends, I bought an 85 Civic DX Hatch with 5 speed. The dealer gave me a quick lesson, and off I went. Even though I stalled a few times on the way home, I had the biggest grin on my face. I was like my old man, driving a "man's car." There is nothing sexier than a girl driving manual :-)
    I am not a lazy person, I work out 3-4 times a week, ride my bike, park away from the mall and walk, so I don't mind shifting my own gears, and pumping my own brakes.

    As far as ABS, anyone can force them selves to pump brakes in an emergency situation. All they have to do is practice. Instead of spending a weekend in front of TV, or playing video games, take the car to a parking lot and practice speeding up and slamming on the brakes and learning the limits of your vehicle. I tend to do that with the first snow fall, because the body fogets the motions after a relaxed warm weather driving. After a few hours of practice, there is no need for the concious to control the motions, the sub-concious does it for you. Same with driving stick in traffic, I don't notice that I shift. Besides, there is nothing else to do sitting in traffic, why not shift? My logic is, if you need ABS to save you, you either were driving too fast for the conditions, or you need to work on driving skill.

    Side airbags, just like the regular front airbags are useless if people don'e wear seat belts. The only thing safer than seatbelts are the 4 point harnesses, racing seats and a helmet. If a car is broadsided and the frame bent a side air bag is useless. In a rollover of the person was not buckled in the side curtain air bag is useless. In a forntal collision an unbuckled person will be more injured by the air bag than a buckled person. So, if people are so interested in safety, why not insist that manufacturer's install racing seats (like in Civic Si, or SVT Focus) and a 4 point harness, and everyone weares a helmet? Last time I checked, NASCAR and Formula 1 cars did not have air bags, and probably don't have ABS.
  • lngtonge18lngtonge18 Member Posts: 2,228
    I agree with you on learning the limits of your vehicle. So many people have no idea how their vehicle handles emergency situations. If they would only try certain manuevers in an empty parking lot, they could learn to control the vehicle and be much less likely to say: "officer, I don't know what happened, the car just spun out and I couldn't control it". Example: I purposely made a few of my cars slide so I could learn how to counter-steer. It worked! On a few occassions, I cooked a corner too fast and I found myself countersteering without even thinking about it and stopped the slide before ending up on the curb, in a ditch, or hitting someone else.

    However, the human leg is incapable of modulating brake pressure as rapidly and precisely as a computer controlled ABS system. If you don't have ABS, its a good idea to learn the point where your brakes lock and how to control it, but it is no subsitute for a real ABS system. ABS offers better control and will keep the brakes working at their maximum efficiency.
  • cartagramcartagram Member Posts: 115
    In an earlier post, someone mentioned that Civic sales were slowing. Why is that? When I test-drove an '04 LX a couple weekends ago, I didn't like the way the interior was executed. Too many chrome accents and that jagged, jazzy cloth pattern on seats and other surfaces. Back on '01, the interior was more honest (despite being de-contented).

    Any clues about the '05 Civic? Will they make any interior changes? Will they ever bring the 5-door model over that's sold in England?
  • moparbadmoparbad Member Posts: 3,870
    I posted in #3272 that Civic production is ending at Ohio plant.
    Demand is for larger and larger vehicles. Civic sales are decreasing due to increased sales of larger cars, not loss of market to competitors IMO. Higher and higher gasoline prices will cause a shift in priorities if gasoline hits the $3.00 per gallon mark as predicted this summer.
  • backybacky Member Posts: 18,949
    Major changes are unlikely for '05 since the next redesign is due for the '06 model year, and a major freshening was just done for '04.
  • lochlyn_decklochlyn_deck Member Posts: 9
    I'm looking at the HX coupe and was wondering how current owners liked the car. Specifically I was interested in its fuel economy. Does the car get the rated numbers (auto: 35/40 mpg, stand: 36/44 mpg)? How do auto tranny owners like the CVT? Is the car peppy in either type of transmission (I would think it's better in the standard)? Finally, I've read that the car has a "hesitation" at times. Is this accurate and does it have to do with a characteristic of the "lean burn" engine?
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