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Styling is strong for both cars, but the Passat has more of a utilitarian look to it, while the S60 has real panache. I have to be honest though--I bought an S60 T5 with every option except nav system and auto trans. I still think the Passat is one of the best cars out there--and I would actually choose it over an Audi A4. One criticism I would have is that the V6 isn't that impressive. The 1.8T with a manual tranmission is actually funner to drive IMO.
Dave
The more interesting Volvo-VS-VW comparo is the base Passat over S40. Which would you guys pick?
Your $1100 over invoice and I (IMO) think you could do better. Go to www.vw.com and locate other dealers. Then start shopping around. Shopping around is a must when spending $20+ grand. (Actually I shop around for $10 items:))
Did you take it on any curvy roads? It corners like a dream!! I can't wait until I get past the break in period!
Not that I'd be in the market for a wagon, but I do like the V40 better than the Passat wagon.
Your $1100 over invoice and I (IMO) think you could do better. Go to www.vw.com and locate other dealers. Then start shopping around. Shopping around is a must when spending $20+ grand. (Actually I shop around for $10 items:))
Did you take it on any curvy roads? It corners like a dream!! I can't wait until I get past the break in period!
What are my options for an after-market warranty if my 2001.5 Passat (purchased in mid-Feb) has 2500 miles on it and is in immaculate condition?
I bought the car and will have it for 5-7 years (i hope). Also, does the warranty mean that all my service gets done at a VW dealer?
thanks, stg
-ps- i bought rubber mats from VW and the luggage bed ($50 -approx) when i picked up the car and i believe BOTH are a must. Just put carpet back in car a few days ago and will take them out in late Oct/early Nov...
The Powertrain warranty does cover a lot of parts, but many, very EXPENSIVE oens aren't.
Sensors, modules, all those little "brains" are not covered and can be very expensive. The are also "typically" the things that VW has problems with.
It's ag great car, I may even get another, but I will spend the extra $800 next time and extend the b2b out to 5/60k for the peace of mind.
Regarding the Extended Warranty...DON'T DO IT...WASTE OF MONEY!! Odds are you will never get your money out of it. If you have the $1000 or whatever the price is and invest it into something stable, you'll do much better. If you don't have the lump sum, figure how much extra yoru payment would be with it financed and stick it into your savings. Then if something should go wrong, you'll have the money to pay for the repairs.
Vehicle Mfgs make BIG money off these extended warranties.
Re: the warranty, I have to say we bought a used Jetta and the warranty easily paid for itself and then some.
In 5 years, if your neighbor has the identical car as you do for sale, same condition, same miles, all things equal. Same price for both cars... one has the extended warranty (assuming it is transferable)... Which car do you buy?
Well, I wouldn't buy my own car since I own it. I also wouldn't buy my neighbor's car since it is identical to the one I'm trying to sell. So, I give up -- which car would I buy?
After looking over the manuals I have a couple questions hopefully someone can answer: Where the beck is the engine air filter? I can see something down near the turbot that might be it but it sure looks like a bear to get at. Also, I believe there is a cabin air filter. Anybody know where that is? I could find nothing in the owner's manual about it.
I'm considering a 10 year I to I Diamond wrap-around warranty from Warranty Direct. Seems like an OK deal for $900/0 deductible. Any comments would be appreciated.
Thanks to all who contributed to this talk and helped me make this decision. It's a great car.
Killer...I plan to keep this vehicle for 10 years and don't really care about resale.
Buying the warranty is a personal decision and I just gave my opinion. If someone purchases it, so be it, it's their money not mine. I just get real upset because vehicle mfg's make big money off of these. Hence, finance people trying to push this on you along with all the disability insurance and other extras.
As far as the S40 over the Passat, come on. It is half the car.
I truly believe the Passat is for those who want a genuine value for the money, and are not hung up on what is in the driveway.
It is the Hyundai part that people can't swallow....just like some can't deal with VW from its past track record.
I would take the Passat of course...:)
P.S. I got a really good price on the car. Between what I got off the sticker price and what I got for my trade vs. what my trade was actually worth, I got about $4500 off the right below $30,000 sticker price. Admittedly, I had to buy the original 2001 vs the newer 2001 mid-year to get that price.
P.P.S. We LOVE the car. No matter what the lazy Americans hung up on luxury and reliability say, this is a REAL DRIVING MACHINE.
It is this simple: it is called wholesale/wholesale. You buy his car for wholesale and he buys your car for wholesale....see, no magic, no smoke and mirrors and you don't even need to go into the "closing booth" to figure that one out.
You are a lucky person today because I am going to help you do your homework. A 1995 Camry DX is in the real book for $5600 w/71k on the meter. deduct $50 for every 1k over this number. Now, if your DX has 3 pedals in the drivers side footwell, deduct another $500. If you have the "power pkg" offered on the DX, add $150.
As you can see, the dealer was not going to expand one of his six vacation houses if you signed the bottom line, he was only trying to make a fair deal for the both of you.
The only car they're going to give you excellent wholesale value for is one they can park on the used car lot without any reconditioning and unload at a profit within 30 days. The Dealer always finds the minor dents/scratches and claims they'll have to sell the car to a wholesaler who will sell the car at auction. Take your car to Carmax and see what they'll offer you for it. You can get more selling it yourself or taking it to several used car dealers (who don't sell new cars)if you want to take the time. These prices are based on Texas/Houston. They may be different in other regions. Go back to the Dealer, tell him you want $6,000 for your Camry. Settle for $5500-5600. If he won't give you that, decide how much effort you want to put into selling the Camry yourself.
When it comes to condition, be realistic. In the Northeast, there is no such thing as a '95 Camry in perfect condition, especially in a dark color. Trust me on this one, I owned both an "Emerald Pearl" and a "Ruby Pearl", both cars were above average as far as being taken care of, but the paint did not age well.
Luigi72: Believe it or not, the dealer did not find the dings and scratches, I did. Of course they will point them out, or the first customer that sees the car will point them out to the dealer.
Speaking from personal experience, it is VERY difficult to put values on used vehicles and make them as accurate as possible. Edmunds, Kelly and others are meant to be a guide for the consumer, not the standard.
All things considered, Sporin said it best!!
Originally, I had a deal with a local dealer for $28,500 but he didn't have this color scheme in stock and couldn't or wouldn't get the car for me. He told me that there were two Reflex Silver with gray leather GLX's without 4 motion left in my state and none in port. So, I went to a dealer about 10 miles from home - not the one I'll be servicing with. This dealer was willing and able to get the car for me.
Once I felt the car was rare I got caught up in my emotions and made the mistake by NOT agreeing to a price before looking at color and availabilty. Kimmers71 suggested this in a previous post. I should have listened.
I know it only cost $200-$400 more than I wanted to spend, but the male ego is fragile and paying more when I could have paid less is ego deflating. Especially, since I know this dealer was far more eager to negotiate when I had a deal with another dealer.
Regardless, this is going to be a fun car to drive and I am looking forward to driving it.
I would have preferred to wait until the 2002's came out, but my present car needs extensive repairs and I don't want to sink more money into it.
Brought this up before, no one commented. My sister has an Acura TL with mudflaps. For some reason she loves them. My nephew keeps pestering me to get the same for the Passat. Haven't heard anyone mention them in any Psssat forum. Has anyone seen them on a Passat? And, can comment on how they look?
I may be driving in some foggy condition in the future. Does the Passat come with fog-type lights or is this a feature I will have to add?
Again, thank for all your support. I wish you all good luck with your decisions and cars.
And congratulations on your purchase!
it carries the same 2/24 Warranty that the car does. But instead of having to take it
out and repair it...it is simply replaced with a new one...Try that at BEST BUY or COSTCO.
Stamkis...if you did not know that your knew Passat had FogLamps you paid $1000
too much...Make sure that when VWOA calls for your impressions of your purchasing
experience that you let them know that this was not a part of your Delivery Experience.
Do you know about the Full Curtain Side AirBag Protection System? Do you know that
you have a Full Size Spare Tire?
Forgive me...Incompetance just drives me crazy...
Also, the dealer somg and dance about "programming" was bogus. The player works fine as do all the CD controls on the dash. Hope this helps.
Now..... I still need to take my car into the dealer to have them re-aim the headlights. Has anyone been able to accomplish this on their own? Despite the labeling on the assymbly that reads "See Owner's Manual for Adjustment", there are no instructions in the manual. And BTW, that is the most convoluded configuration of an Owner's Manual I have ever seen (IMO)
does anybody knows?) and the fuel and vacuum pumps, compared to the standard ``less years'' programs. They say that these pumps are covered by
the 10-year powertrain warranty. I checked the owner's manual, but it explicitly mentions the oil
and water pumps only. Does anybody know if the fuel and vacuum pumps are indeed covered too? They should be?
M