Volkswagen Passat 2005 and earlier

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  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    The difference between driving my friend's 00 Honda Civic and my Jetta is like night and day to me. The Honda is boring, the Jetta is exiting. That's what did it for me.
  • 8u6hfd8u6hfd Member Posts: 1,391
    exiting huh?
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    Hehe, that's what I get for trying to work and post here at the same time. :)

    I meant to say "exciting". Sorry. :)
  • rajkrishnarajkrishna Member Posts: 11
    I used the word "Zip thru the city" to qualify "adequate" . Wouldn't 170 hp be enuf to win that stoplight race?
    Also whats the importance of torque?
  • mliongmliong Member Posts: 231
    I can't afford to engage in the horsepower war - the cops in my area are very much on the lookout for speeders....

    That and a red car = Tempting Fate
  • gatorsnapgatorsnap Member Posts: 56
    Torque is a measurement of (potential) force expressed in foot-pounds. Imagine a rod welded onto a wheel so that when you pushed on the rod the wheel would turn (in the same direction you pushed it, of course) If this rod was 1 foot long, and you placed 1 lb. of weight on it to move it, that is 1 ft.-lb. of torque.
    Horsepower (HP)(also can be translated to kilowatts(KW)(Amps * volts = watts)) is a measurement of work that can be very elusive in internal combustion engines. (relax class, I won't get too far into the theory behind horspower). to get the real picture, one has to look at torque and the horsepower at the given RPM. (horsepower is usually rated at the optimum rpm for horsepower).
    A engine can have a high rated horsepower and have a measely (sp?) amount of torque. Other engines, especially diesels, have a very high amount of torque but low HP rating. That is due to the fact that diesel burns slowly whereas gasoline is a controlled explosion.
    At any rate, when car manufacturers rate their engines, there is a potential for "cooking the books" - an engine can be rated for 255 horses (not naming any names here :) at 7000 rpm and 245 ft-lbs of torque at 5000 rpm, and another rated at 190 hp at 5900 rpm and 206 ft-lbs at 3200 rpm.
    The question is where is your usable power ? No one gets very good mileage running around at 5000 rpm all the time.
    Horsepower is nice, torque is what matters most of the time, and the more cylinders, the less vibration (but a little more weight).

    Tried to make this as objective as possible, but I like my V6. I have had more than a few people comment (including 1.8T owners) comment on how smooooth -- and it has all you need to get a ticket - got my first in 25 years about a month ago.

    Gator
  • gatorsnapgatorsnap Member Posts: 56
    Sorry no one has gotten back to you on your headlight problem. I really don't have a clue, but seeing as how I may be facing the same problem in a few years I figure I should try to get involved (just a little).
    First, you say you have changed the bulb and the fuse, and I know this sounds like a silly question, but are you sure you changed the right ones ? The reason I ask is I went though that with a taillight one time on another car.
    Second, have you tried to follow the wires and checked for places they may be rubbing or broken ? It is a remote possiblity but might help.
    Third, I would get a multimeter (a meter that measures Voltage / ohms) and check for continuity between the fuse and the fitting where the bulb plugs in (probably want to disconnect battery for that), and for voltage at the fitting with the light switch on. Check for voltage at the fuse too, for that matter.
    Think of it like plumbing - if all the sinks in you house have water except one, keep working your way back from that one until you find where it is plugged.

    I cannot give you any advice as to where to take something like that - some places charge by the hour to trace electrics and it costs huge money. It might be cheaper just to buy a new wiring harness. Surely somebody (like Chilton's) has a book you can buy with a diagram to help you trace it.

    Good luck - Gator
  • nyguynyguy Member Posts: 6
    I'm the proud owner of a new 2003 Passat! What type of oil do you recommend? The owners manual suggests 5W40 is that a synthetic oil? I haven't been able to find it at my local automotive store.

    Also, any suggestions on what type of wash and wax to use?

    I just bought the monster mats and they are great. The mats are made of thick rubber and protect the carpet much better then the stock mats.

    Thanks!!
  • rajkrishnarajkrishna Member Posts: 11
    Thanks, Gator. that was helpful.
  • ajacatajacat Member Posts: 63
    We're considering getting a Passat 1.8T and chipping it-thanks for the links you all posted to tyrannosaurus, big help

    ...my question--if you swap out ECUs before going for any warranty service, is the *past* presence of the chipped ECU still detectable? Does the mere fact that it was in there once (and will be again as soon as you bring it home :)) do something to the car's computers so that a mechanic can tell that you modded it?

    thanks
  • ajacatajacat Member Posts: 63
    what would happen to the mpg with that APR chip? Going from 170/166 to something like 208/245, iirc?

    thanks again--
  • julmannjulmann Member Posts: 4
    what do the letters FOB stand for anyway?
  • pkraddpkradd Member Posts: 358
    Freight On Board.
  • tugboat1tugboat1 Member Posts: 21
    I'm sure this has been done to death but I don't have the energy to read through 4000+ posts. I did an extensive test drive of a 6cyl auto Passat and was generally very pleased. However, there was a very distintive delay in acceleration after stepping on the gas. It is almost as if the car paused to think. If this is a computer thing,it is ridulous. When I put my foot on the gas I mean giddyup, what is there to think about?
  • deerlake7deerlake7 Member Posts: 176
    There are those that complain about hesitation on the V6/tip. I had a 2000 V6/tip and now have a 2002 V6/tip and neither one had any hesitation. You hit the gas and they both take off right now. The only time I can "induce" a hesitation is if I put even the slightest pressure on the brake pedal and then accelerate. For some reason I cannot understand, if this scenario occurs, the computer reduces the power and increases the shift points. In the final analysis, drive the V6/tip one-footed and keep your other foot away from the brake pedal. My 2002 V6/trip is terrific.
  • outrunoutrun Member Posts: 539
    That's why I think the 1.8T with a chip is the best solution of those hungry for torque. 245ft/lb at 1950 rpm? The 2.8 comes no where near that.

    If one wants a smooth, sedate ride, then the 2.8 is fine.

    -Craig
  • outrunoutrun Member Posts: 539
    This has been discussed a lot at clubb5.com and vwvortex.com. The ECU and DBW (drive-by-wire) work together in that hitting the brake pedal will cut/reduce power. If one is trying to hold the brake while hitting the gas to get a "jump" off the line, it's not going to happen with the Tippy. Although I think the Tip Chip will help this, it doesn't cure it.

    As a matter of fact, I was trying to "dry" my brakes one day. So I was driving about 25mph (no one behind me), and applied the brakes and hit the gas (so I wouldn't lose or gain speed). Well, that worked for about 3-5 seconds, when all of a sudden, engine power went way down, and the car slowed down. This was the ECU cutting in, since brakes and gas aren't allowed at the same time (and this is with a 5 speed manual).

    As always, if you're after speed, get a 5 speed manual. No tippy is going to match it.

    -Craig
  • dougm1dougm1 Member Posts: 16
    5W-40 is hard to find but you should be able to get it at your VW dealer. They usually have Pennzoil synthetic. Also, I think that MobilOne 0W-40 synthetic would be fine. Anybody else have comments on that?
  • outrunoutrun Member Posts: 539
    Congrats on getting a Passat!

    First, you don't mention which engine you have. The 1.8T, or the 2.8 V6.

    Assuming the 1.8T, 5w40 is the recommended oil weight. The 2002 manual says 5w40 is recommended and 5w30 can be used only when 5w40 isn't available. The 2003 manual states (from what I've heard) that 5w40 is required, and 5w30 can ONLY be used to top off. Same engine both years.

    But, VW dealerships will NOT put this in your car even though the engineers who designed the engine say to. The dealerships think that they know more than engineers, and usually put in 5w30 (dino oil). That's the only oil covered if using their coupons (on vw.com). They say "Oh, that's only for extreme driving and extreme weather during extreme years of extreme heat during leap years". Or something like that.

    You CAN use 5w-40 synthetic (and 0w-40 Mobil1), but it costs more, and the dolts at the dealership will tell you that it's for the TDI only (even though there isn't a TDI Passat sold here in the States).

    -Craig
  • dougm1dougm1 Member Posts: 16
    5W-40 is hard to find but you should be able to get it at your VW dealer. They usually have Pennzoil synthetic. Also, I think that MobilOne 0W-40 synthetic would be fine. Anybody else have comments on that?
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    I know what you are talking about with the V6. When you step on it, it seems to be sleeping or something (to me anyway). It doesn't feel as ferocious as the 180hp 1.8T in my 02 Jetta, but it's not suppse to. The Passat is more upmarket, and more sedate. I drove the 150hp 1.8T in the Passat, and was very disappointed. The car felt like it wouldn't get out of its own way. Both of these cars were automatics.

    I am almost tempted to go and drive the newer 170hp engine with the Tiptronic (I can't drive stick) to see if it differs alot.
  • altair4altair4 Member Posts: 1,469
    Valvoline Synpower is available in this weight and can be ordered (if necessary) from NAPA auto parts stores. It's full synthetic, meets VW standards (I believe), and is comparably priced to Mobil 1.
  • dougm1dougm1 Member Posts: 16
    I think Havoline has 5W-40 synthetic but I haven't been able to find it.
  • mliongmliong Member Posts: 231
    It's the key alarm control you use to lock / unlock your car. GLX's can have the memory seats slaved to individual key FOBs. As to what FOB stands for, I have no idea...
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    I don't think it's meant to be an acronym actually.
  • careerladycareerlady Member Posts: 2
    First, I got on here to see if the current Passat design began in 2001 - is that correct?
    Second, I drove a Passat over the weekend and fell in love with it. I wasn't, however, impressed with the upitty attitude by the salesman. After viewing the cost of a new passat, I have decided a late model with low miles would be good for me. I have tried to enter the info on autobytel.com but they won't accept the info. Is there another search engine that might be able to help me find the car I'm looking for? There are only two dealerships in the state of Oklahoma and they are not willing to budge much. I am willing to drive 200 miles to get what I want does anyone have any suggestions? I would appreciate any that you might have.
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    The current Passat debuted as a "2001.5" model actually. You would have to look under "New Passat" probably, I have seen it listed as that a few times.


    Also, check out http://www.getauto.com. You might find what you want on that site. Also check out VW's site (http://www.vw.com) under "Certified Used", or whatever they call it.

  • outrunoutrun Member Posts: 539
    According to Websters:

    fob, noun, perhaps akin to German dialect Fuppe pocket
    a short strap, ribbon, or chain attached especially to a pocket watch

    or

    FOB, abbreviation, free on board

    -Craig
  • vwguildvwguild Member Posts: 1,620
    www.VW.com has an entire area devoted to Certified Pre-Owned Volkswagens and where they can be found...
  • pkraddpkradd Member Posts: 358
    Sorry Craig, FOB means "Freight On Board" as it pertains to shipping.
  • mliongmliong Member Posts: 231
    Do what my wife did - gently remind the salesman that there's a recession going on, and with VW sales in the tank, he could do better, or you'll take your $$ elsewhere.

    Just keep reminding him/her how bad October sales were, and whether or not he/she wants a repeat!
  • nyguynyguy Member Posts: 6
    Thank you all for the engine oil tips!!

    Sorry for not giving you what type of engine I have. I purchased a 2003 Passat 1.8T. The manual says to use 5w40 and only use 5w30 to top off. I've heard that the dealer uses 5w30 and they say it's fine. I think I'm going to purchase the synthetic 5w40 and do my own oil changes.
  • rajkrishnarajkrishna Member Posts: 11
    Should I buy my Passat in LA or in the bay area?
    Has anyone compared prices of Passat between LA and the Bay area? Is there any difference in price as offered by dealers?
  • gatorsnapgatorsnap Member Posts: 56
    I use Mobil1 5-30 for 2 reasons (1) it is listed as an alternate for the V6 - knowing the engineers as I do, I know that they would not list it as an alt if it wouldn't do, and (2) Mobil1 has been around the longest and is one of the most common synthetics around - if you are out on he road you will be more likely to find it that any thing else, and it is absolutely verboten to mix different brands of synthetics - it is better to put dino oil in to top off.

    gator
  • gatorsnapgatorsnap Member Posts: 56
    I do not know if a dealers diagnostics can determine if an ECU has been changed. It is for that reason that I will wait until my warranty expires before I start chipping.
    I am certain that chipping will affect gas mileage (for the worse)

    Gator
  • gatorsnapgatorsnap Member Posts: 56
    I have a V6, and I don't have any hesitation when I drop the hammer. Of course, like outrun, I drive a stick.
    I believe the the ECU will learn your driving style / habits after a short while (50/100 miles?) and respond better. At least that was the case with my precious baby.
    I have also read about other ECU's that can be "taught" by disconnecting the battery, then re-connecting and immediately driving the car wide open on the highway. Kinda clears the cobwebs or something.

    Gator
  • gatorsnapgatorsnap Member Posts: 56
    I think you both are right - FOB stands for Free/Freight on Board, and FOB like a pocket watch.
    I thoroughly enjoy both of your comments - I'm just wondering if I need to separate you two or something - :)

    Gator
  • gatorsnapgatorsnap Member Posts: 56
    Check out the edmunds.com true market value price and a few others like cars.com and kellybluebook. Pick the car exactly like you want it (with all the goodies :))
    Go to the dealer and tell him to beat the best price you get off the internet or you buy from the internet. (In the end the internet purchase is from a dealer anyway) If the dealer wants to sell you the car he will beat the price.
    Just like the advice mliong just gave career lady - remind the salesman it's a recession.
    You have the power ! Make them put the whole deal in writing before you pay a cent. And don't hesitate to walk away, go home, and go back later - it drives them nuts !

    gator
  • dougm1dougm1 Member Posts: 16
    In the 2003 Passat, battery removal looks difficult. After sliding out small panel for partial access, does the entire car width shroud require removal before doing battery maintenance or removal? Anybody know about that?
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    The battery cover comes off by squeezing clips on either side, at the bottom of the case. That's the way my 2002 Jetta's is, so the Passat's might be the same. The owner's manual might say something about it, I am not sure.
  • dougm1dougm1 Member Posts: 16
    Thanks-I'll look at it again. The owner's manual is real vague regarding battery.
  • altair4altair4 Member Posts: 1,469
    Interesting comment - "it is absolutely verboten to mix different brands of synthetics - it is better to put dino oil in to top off" -

    What's the source of your information? I seem to recall reading that all oil (synth or dino juice) is compatible. This would make interesting reading. TIA!
  • dudleyrdudleyr Member Posts: 3,469
    I have also read that mixing synthetics is fine. It even says on the oil container that it is OK to mix.
  • mliongmliong Member Posts: 231
    I've heard the opposite - keep the Dinos and the Synthetics separate - they don't like to play with each other.
  • outrunoutrun Member Posts: 539
    Looking at Mobil1's website, it IS ok to mix syntheic with dino, but it's not recommended, as you'll lose the advantages of synthetic in the first place.

    Let's be realistic. When switching from dino to synthetic, do you REALLY think that ALL the dino has been drained? There's about 0.3 quarts left in the engine/pan after draining. This is the resulting TSB from VW stating to refill the 1.8 with 3.9 quarts instead of 4.2. Using 4.2 will result in an overfill.

    As for mixing different synthetics. Again, there's no harm done, but you never know what the resulting protection is going to be. Different synthetics has different properties, chemicals, etc. Some may counter act each other. But, you should be NO worse than using plain dino.

    -Craig
  • outrunoutrun Member Posts: 539
    So the Websters definition of FOB is wrong/incomplete? Interesting.

    I went to pkradd.com to see the true definition, but the site didn't come up. Maybe the DNS server is having problems?

    -Craig
  • mliongmliong Member Posts: 231
    maybe someone decided to launch a DDOS attack on the DNS servers!

    I'd assume a little mixing is okay between different oils - as it is impossible to get rid of one before filling up with the other - unless you flush the system out.

    All this talk of oil, I'll make sure to ask my dealership what they use... It should be w40 - given the heat here.
  • ajacatajacat Member Posts: 63
    yeah, probably waiting would be the safest. And since VWs don't have the longest warranty in the world, I can wait LOL

    But I just won't pay new. Like careerlady, I want a late model used. I think one of our best chances for a 2001.5/later will be to wait for another year until they come off their 3-year leases (that would be 3 years, right? I'm not sure I'm calculating right) then all the upwardly mobile folks who lease new every 3 years will be dumping, and I'll be there to pick one up. I'm not proud :)
  • outrunoutrun Member Posts: 539
    If you call a 4/50 bumper to bumper, and a 5/60 powertrain warranty not one of the longest in the world, maybe you should be getting a Hyundai, since they're probably the only one with a distinctly longer warranty.

    -Craig
  • altair4altair4 Member Posts: 1,469
    "All this talk of oil, I'll make sure to ask my dealership what they use... It should be w40 - given the heat here."

    Maybe should be, but don't bet on it. VW dealers are notorious for not using the oil spec'd in the manual. Don't be surprised if it's not what you're expecting.
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