Volkswagen Passat 2005 and earlier

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  • latinman2latinman2 Member Posts: 4
    Hello Marlene:

    How are you...your email adress???

    Thanks.
  • pkraddpkradd Member Posts: 358
    Out of curiousity, where is the thermometer located on the Passat. (Watch it!)
  • latinman2latinman2 Member Posts: 4
    What year model Passat???
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    I was going to put a smart answer, but I felt shame about it before I typed it. :)
  • pkraddpkradd Member Posts: 358
    It's a 2001.5 Passat.
  • birdboy1birdboy1 Member Posts: 39
    Hi,
    In preparation for the winter in upstate New York, i am considering putting snow tires on my 02 1.8 Passat. Is it recommended to put them on all 4 wheels or just the Front? Also, could someone recommend a good low to mid priced tire that they would recommend. Lastly,how much do they affect the smoothness of the ride and the noise on the road? Thanks for all the past help as well.
  • nike8nike8 Member Posts: 8
    Would like to get xm radio for my 2002 passat.
    I also have the radio controls on the steering
    wheel and would like them to work with the xm radio.Any info would be appreciated.
  • ironmanterpironmanterp Member Posts: 57
    Even with front wheel drive cars, the rear wheels need to maintain their traction as well as the front wheels do, or the car's rear can break loose and cause control problems. A typical scenario is when FWD is pulling the car through a curve - with inadequate or unbalanced traction, the rear of the car will tend to swing wider through the turn than the front.
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    The radio controls on the steering wheel will still work as long as you keep the factory head unit. I am not sure if they replace the headunit when you get XM, but I don't think they do. If they do not, you are ok.
  • altair4altair4 Member Posts: 1,469
    Somebody on either Clubb5 or Vwvortex got Kumho snow tires and commented that the price was very good. Might be worth a look.
  • tyrannosaurustyrannosaurus Member Posts: 20
    Hey did they discontinue the daytime running lights on the '03 Passats?

    I remember Craig posting info as to which relay to disconnect to disable them in order to prevent blowing out headlamps. I checked my car with the engine running and lights off and saw no evidence of daytime running lights! (Although I usually drive w/ my headlights on anyway).

    Ty
  • outrunoutrun Member Posts: 539
    Are on when:
    Manual Transmission: Parking brake is off
    Automatic Transmission: Vehicle is not in Park (I'm pretty sure on this one)

    So if you have a manual, drive the car to flat ground, leave the parking brake off (and the car running), and take a look.

    If you have an auto, I can't help you there, unless you can run really fast.

    -Craig
  • gacman99gacman99 Member Posts: 11
    If you have the tip, have the wife (or a friend) put the car in gear. I know my '03 has them. Be sure you trust this person though, my wife went for a 15 minute spin after we got done checking all the signals and lights, leaving me standing in the front yard.....

    Joel
  • dougm1dougm1 Member Posts: 16
    The 2003's do have DRL's. Disable them by removing relay #173 behind fuse panel. BTW, does anyone know where the air filter is and how it is accessed on the 1.8T? Battery is tough to get at, too.
  • tyrannosaurustyrannosaurus Member Posts: 20
    Well, I suppose if I just keep my headlights on at all times the DRLs won't be an issue. Hopefully running the lights at full wattage will be easier on the bulbs than using DRLs. Although I am of the opinion headlights should always be used (unless stalking someone...yuk yuk), I always felt DRLs were kind of "Big Brotherish."

    Based on what i've read here, I plan on ordering a pair of upgraded replacement bulbs to have on hand anyway.

    Anyone know of a good HP pedal replacement for the Passat. Gap between the stock break and throttle pedals is a little too wide for me to comfortably heel/toe downshift.

    Ty
  • dabush2dabush2 Member Posts: 9
    Picked up a '03 Passat GLX with Tiptronic 2 weeks ago and love the car. Was reading through the owner's manual last week and noticed that they recommend using 5W40 oil, which is not a very common weight/grade. Called 3 dealers and they all said they use 5W30 oil. After reading through the postings here, that seems to be the rule of thumb, which I can live with. The 3 dealers I called quoted $32, $32, and $42 for a V6 oil change service ($14-$16 for labor, $18-$20 for the filter). Are they giving away the 6 quarts of oil? I confirmed that the price is for the V6 engine.

    My dilemma is that I would prefer to use synthetic oil, which I would buy and bring in for the oil change (Mobil 1 5W30). Dealers say that is fine, I would just pay the labor and for the oil filter. Since when is an oil filter $20? I checked around and can get the Mobil 1 oil filter for $12 and the Fram X2 Premium filter for $10.

    Was curious if anyone else has used synthetic oil and/or either filter (or other filters), and what the dealer has said (does this affect the warranty)?

    Thanks!
  • dougm1dougm1 Member Posts: 16
    I use Mobil1 0W-40 synthetic. Anybody else use that? I think that is fine. Also, you should use a Mobil1 filter.
  • outrunoutrun Member Posts: 539
    My local VW dealer was having a "sale" on VW oil filters. $19.95 for a "case". Now what consitutes a case, I don't know, but it's more than one.

    There's a coupon on vw.com for a 4 cylinder oil change for $22.95. Says that the 6 cylinder change may vary (and will), but that $22.95 is for up to 5 quarts of oil.

    If you're going synthetic, I recommend using Mobil1 0w-40 or Valvoline SynPower 5w-40. Those match more close to what VW recommends compared to 5w-30.

    -Craig
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    In my 2002 automatic Jetta, the headlights are always on when the car is running, unless I have the parking brake on. The car doesn't have to be in gear. So it's the same for both manual and automatic cars in that respect.

    You can disable them though. It's pretty simple.
  • dabush2dabush2 Member Posts: 9
    Thanks dougm1 and outrun-I wasn't aware Mobil1 offered 0W-40. Where do you get it, and how much do you pay? I can get Mobil1 5W-30 at Wal-Mart for $3.53/quart. I checked around for the Valvoline 5W-40 SynPower and couldn't find it, either. I'm in the northern Chicago suburbs...
  • dougm1dougm1 Member Posts: 16
    Dabush..Autozone carries it. Do you have those in Chicago? $3.53 is a real good price. I get it for about $4.50.
  • outrunoutrun Member Posts: 539
    Autozone carries Mobil1 0w-40. I think it's around $5/quart here in the Northeast.

    NAPA Autoparts is supposed to be able to order Valvoline SynPower 5w-40. The one near me refuses to though.

    -Craig
  • dougm1dougm1 Member Posts: 16
    I'd go with Mobil1. I think it's a lot better than the others.
  • dabush2dabush2 Member Posts: 9
    Yes, there are Autozones here in the Chicago suburbs. I'll check it out, but I know their price is in the $4.50/$5 range. Perhaps I can ask Wal-Mart to order it, as I have yet to find it any cheaper than their $3.50/quart price.
  • caw103caw103 Member Posts: 63
    sams club has 6 packs for $20.
  • dudleyrdudleyr Member Posts: 3,469
    You definately need 4 snows. I tried the two snow thing once, and the back of the car kept wanting to go first.

    The Dunlop DS-1 scored highest for snow and ice performance according to Consumer reports and is not much over $50 a piece. The Kuhmo izenstud, and the Artic Alpin are not as good in snow and ice, but handle dry roads a little better.

    I have Artic Alpins right now, and while they do handle well on the dry and fairly well on snow and ice, I think their lateral traction could be better. When they wear out I will purchase 4 new Dunlops. To me the best traction in winter weather is the name of the game.
  • 8u6hfd8u6hfd Member Posts: 1,391
    1. Remove headlight switch
    With the headlight switch on off, push in the handle (takes some force), then turn to the right. This releases the holding mechanism.

    2. Remove switch and disconnect the wiring connector

    3. Locate the pin labeled TFL, take some electrical tape and cover that pin.

    4. Reinstall.
  • weeb35weeb35 Member Posts: 10
    Continuing to wait on my Silverstone GLs with moonson and leather, and not getting ESP due to unavailability in new england (very sad)...
    However,I got into a discussin at work concerning the tiptronic. I asked an A4 owner if he uses it allot and the answer was no.. then someone else said there 1980 trans am automatic could be shifted as a manual... implying similar to the tiptronic... by using the D1 D2 D3? and then going into Drive.. This didn't seem right to me..am I beingt told the truth about the old automatics
  • dudleyrdudleyr Member Posts: 3,469
    He was telling the truth. The only difference is that the new trannys have a seperate gate for shifting manually. You could put the old trannys in gear in a linear fashion. Not all cars had all gears. My Taurus annoyingly was missing second gear selector. It had a second gear, but I just could not hold it there. Very annoying going down steep hills - first gear was way too slow, and third gear did nothing to help you slow down.
  • outrunoutrun Member Posts: 539
    The non tiptronic like transmissions are different. Here's a scenario.

    With a normal auto:
    Get the car to go 30 mph. Put the auto D3 (or D4). Stomp on the gas. What happens? The car will downshift into 2nd or maybe 1st.

    With a tiptronic type auto:
    Get the car to go 30 mph. Put the gear into 3rd (or 4th). Stomp on the gas. What happens? The car will stay in the selected gear all the way up to redline. No downshifting.

    The tiptronic style shifters, if implemented properly, will hold any gear selected. A normal auto will deteremine if a downshift is needed. You can only control upshifts.

    -Craig
  • rayainswrayainsw Member Posts: 3,192
    In addition to Crag's observation:
    Another major difference (there are others as well) is that you can force an upshift even at WOT in a Tip at well before red line. Older automatics - and many newer ones - when placed in a D2 or D3 position will allow the automatic to up- and down-shift within a reduced range of gears. In other words, D3 allows the trans. to select between 1st, 2nd and 3rd gear - but locks out 4th.

    Cheers,
    - Ray
    Who crossed both BMW and Infiniti G35 off the short list due to 'man-u-matic' implementations that are closer to this older technology than the current Tip . . .
    2022 X3 M40i
  • sschilfsschilf Member Posts: 63
    I am considering a 03 Accord EXV6, Camry v6, Altima v6, Mazda 6 v6, and the Passat glx V6. Anybody in this boat? Why did they choose the Passat?

    Also, I am expecting my first child in May 03. Would the wagon form of the PAssat be better. I am the man in the family and my wife says I (I am 32.) must get rid of my sports car get a family sedan for the family.

    Is the wagon too much 'family' and not enough 'sports' car? This new car will be mine but I do not want to have a car that is not sporty.

    From what I see the Passat has less HP, less torque, more $$, less reliabilty (from what I read on this list), and less interior volume then an Accord. However, emotionally I prefer the Passat.

    Please help!
  • 8u6hfd8u6hfd Member Posts: 1,391
    Doesn't the Tip automatically upshift if you attempting to keep it at redline? The Porsche Tip does this, to protect the engine and transmission.
  • 8u6hfd8u6hfd Member Posts: 1,391
    But the Passat has a world of aftermarket parts available, especially the 1.8T motor.

    You can spruce up the Passat to get more sporty pretensions (so you don't miss the sports car as much)
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    If you don't want a boring car, then don't get a Camry or an Accord. The Mazda6 is a fun car, but it's just coming to the market now. With the luck that Ford has had with new cars, I would be cautious about a 1st year model. The Passat is different from the other listed (save the 6) because it has a sporty personality and a very nice interior. (I don't know about the 6, never drove one yet, but it looks pretty nice.)

    I would go and test drive all the cars you're considering. That way, you know for yourself how they feel, etc. Then make a decision from there. Good luck. :)
  • sschilfsschilf Member Posts: 63
    Which engine is peppier? the 1.8 or the V6. Can you get a glx with the 1.8?
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    The Tiptronic will upshift if you hit redline, at least it does in my 02 Jetta 1.8T.

    With regular automatics, you can put the shifter in the 1 or D1 position, then move it up manually. But you have to adhere to certain speeds and stuff (like staying under 50 in 2nd gear), and not go over. With the Tip, you move the shifter to the right into its gate, and shift as you wish. The computer will not let you downshift if that will shoot the engine over redline, so you don't have to worry about it.
  • sschilfsschilf Member Posts: 63
    Thanks vocus! What do you know about the Altima?
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    GLX is only V6. The 1.8T is adequate enough, and surprisingly the V6 doesn't feel that much more powerful (I have driven both in Tiptronic form). If you are after power, go for a 1.8T and get it chipped. It's only about $500-1000 for a chip (I recommend getting an extra ECU for ~$500 and having that one chipped, as your warranty will be voided if the dealer finds out you have a chip in the car). So buy the extra ECU, chip that one, and swap out the ECUs (not a hard job) when going in for service. Alot of people do that actually.


    The 1.8T will give you a heck of alot more power (whel chipped), and alot better economy, than the V6. It's also alot cheaper. Of course, if you want the GLX, you have to get the V6.

    You might also wanna check out a site called http://www.vwvortex.com. They are very helpful there, and you can learn alot about any VW model.

    As for the Altima, you have to post in that discussion before I can answer you. Sorry, this is Passat territory only! :)

  • rayainswrayainsw Member Posts: 3,192
    Tip upshifts

    Yes, another feature that I like about the Tip and some others may not: If you hit redline, the Tip will upshift. Some seem to prefer the intervention of an rpm limiter and keeping the trans. in the same gear. I find the sudden interruption of forward acceleration quite disconcerting and potentially dangerous. The sudden (and it was very sudden in my previous vehicle is I hit redline in 2nd gear) interruption of acceleration force to the drive wheels can certainly upset the car’s balance.

    But my point was that you can force an upshift at any throttle opening at any rpm that the motor will pull in the higher gear. For example, I often accelerate at or close to WOT in third gear to something above 45 mph, then slap the Tip forward quickly twice in succession. The Tip will shift to 4th and then to 5th. In many other implementations of man-u-matics (BMW in particular) will NOT allow an upshift at WOT. If you keep the throttle wide open, the trans. will simply ignore any attempt to upshift until the engine reaches maximum revs. Seems an odd engineering choice to me.

    Cheers,
    - Ray
    Who simply prefers the Tip to others – and does not mean to suggest that it is better – just better for how I like to drive . . .
    2022 X3 M40i
  • outrunoutrun Member Posts: 539
    One of the problems with the GLX is that it forces you to get the V6. I would have gotten a GLX (to get power seats, dimming rear view mirror, etc) if they offered it with a 1.8T. I ended up with a loaded GLS 1.8/5 speed manual.

    As for "peppier". The V6 will give you more "jump" off the line, but the 1.8T will give more of a rush once the revs hit 2500rpm+.

    Throw a chip ($500 for a nice one) into the 1.8T, and you'll beat a V6 in all respects hands down (including better gas mileage).

    The wagon (variant) isn't less sporty than a sedan. It just looks boxier, but the driving dynamics are very close. It weighs more (not much) and costs $500 more. But it does give you a lot more room to carry things, especially with kids.

    I chose a sedan since our '01 RX300 performs our kid carrying duties.

    -Craig
  • sschilfsschilf Member Posts: 63
    Thanks vocus! What do you know about the Altima?
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    I have never driven the new Altima, but I have been inside one. The car is very roomy inside. The interior parts are extremely cheap looking, sounding, and feeling though. Nothing inside like the Passat, which could pass for an Audi really easily. The Altima is alot larger on the outside (a good foot or so) than the Passat, which hampers maneuverability. Like I said, go test drive all the cars you are considering. Take a Saturday and try to drive them back to back for good measure.

    What kinda car do you have now?
  • outrunoutrun Member Posts: 539
    I think the Acura TL's implementation is as close to perfect as I would like. It does NOT upshift automatically (the tach will bounce off the rev limiter), which I think is appropriate. It's trying to simulate a manual 5 speed. A manual won't upshift automatically, so neither should the tip.

    The only thing I don't like about the tip in the TL is one can't start in 2nd using the tip mode. This would be great for winter mode, although I could move the gate to "2", which WOULD start in 2nd.

    Personally, I think that the user should be allowed to select whatever gear he/she wants at any point in time (of course preventing over revving from down shifting), and the computer should act "dumb" and just do it. That's what the user experienced with a manual. And isn't that what the tip is supposed to simulate?

    -Craig
  • sschilfsschilf Member Posts: 63
    I currently drive a 95 probe gt. great sports cars. i hate the idea of selling it and going to a family sedan car!
  • sschilfsschilf Member Posts: 63
    I used to work for BMW in SC at the plant. I got a chance to test drive a Z4 a while back before going into production. It also had tip but I remember that when in 'tip' mode and lets say in 3rd gear if you stomp it - it will automatically shift down to 2nd or even 1st depending on the stomp.

    Does Passat's tip do this?
  • 8u6hfd8u6hfd Member Posts: 1,391
    the TL sportshift is too slow. You hit the lever to upshift...and it takes a moment to think about it, then shifts.
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    Since your Probe is paid off already, why don't you keep it, put only liability insurance on it, and buy the Passat as well? You could do that, providing the Probe's in good shape. Keep in mind it is a Ford though, and they are not historically known as a paragon of reliability. Of course, neither are alot of car companies lately...

    Edit: I looked on http://www.NADAguides.com for your car's value, and they said it's worth about $3000. That would translate into saving about $60 a month on a typical 5-year auto loan. It might be worth it to trade, but it's a decision you will have to make.. :)
  • outrunoutrun Member Posts: 539
    True, the TL is slow at shifting. That's why I said the implementation is almost correct. It's execution is a bit off.

    And I've read some horror stories of the Honda transmissions blowing at a pretty high clip these days.

    -Craig
  • mliongmliong Member Posts: 231
    Some lady posted a question about the grinding noise when she test drove the car.

    That is the sound of the secondary pump and it a normal noise for the Passats. It should only happen when the start the car, and not anytime after you drive it.

    It's annoying, and disconcerting for new owners, but it does seem to get better in time.
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