Volkswagen Passat 2005 and earlier

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  • caw103caw103 Member Posts: 63
    I'd rather see posts on our passat fob than FOB.:)

    Speaking of which I've had to replace my battery 3 times on a '99.
  • mliongmliong Member Posts: 231
    CAW103, how do you replace the battery on a VW fob? I can't see a way to do it...
  • pkraddpkradd Member Posts: 358
    Does anybody know when VW will offer this option and whether they will offer a retrofit for either satellite system.
  • toneman2toneman2 Member Posts: 19
    Thanks for your views on the ESP option. Signed the deal this morning for an '03 GLX with ESP.
  • cmanncmann Member Posts: 17
    Hi Tony,

    Where in Canada are you? I just signed an order for an '03GLX wagon with ESP in Nova Scotia. Did you order or did you find one?
  • ramez600ramez600 Member Posts: 3
    What do you all think. I hear the A4 is now built on a different platform. Is it worth the extra $$$
  • hintzhintz Member Posts: 72
    I drove them both-felt like two different cars to me! The passat glx v6 has more interior room, the audi a4 3.0 back seat is tight,however the fit and finish is near perfect. plus better warranty and maintenance included. Two different cars with two different prices! The 2.8 needs more hp to compete with the competiton
  • toneman2toneman2 Member Posts: 19
    I am just outside London, Ontario. Could not find one on the lots here (there are three dealers in this immediate area). Are supposed to be 2 in transit from the factory with correct colour (blue anthracite) and ESP which dealer will try and grab through a trade. Am told that I am looking at a couple of weeks. Not many wagons to be found on lots in this area. On the 3 lots in this area I only recall seeing one wagon at all. Was, I believe, a silver GLX. But for that matter there are not many sedans on the lots either. Unless you happen to luck in and find what you want on a lot, you are left in this area with trying to get it through a dealer trade or factory order which dealer tells me would be 90 to 120 days.Hopefully will have mine in a couple of weeks, but if not I can be patient. Have been driving a 95 Saturn for 7 1/2 years so a few more weeks won't make a difference, although I am looking forward to the upgrade in vehicle. How long until yours will be in the driveway?
  • julmannjulmann Member Posts: 4
    I'm looking into putting a cd changer in the trunk compartment slot. Any suggestions on type or place to purchase this? Also, I bought a 2003 GLX without the ESP, can you have it installed, and is it worth the $$?
  • crestonavecrestonave Member Posts: 209
    I own a 99 Passat. The black plastic shield under the engine was torn away. Anyone have any idea what this part is called and how much it should cost me to replace? Thanks
    tom
  • vwguildvwguild Member Posts: 1,620
    is factory installed; not a Dealer accessory...
    And, like AirBags...really nice to have if you need them...
  • cmanncmann Member Posts: 17
    I tried to deal for an Silverstone/Black 4mo wagon with ESP on the lot in Waterloo, but too much $$ involved compared to the deal I've worked out here for an order so .... mid-March is the early estimate. The order has not yet been comfirmed by the factory. I understand I'll get a better estimated date then.
  • outrunoutrun Member Posts: 539
    I thought the A4 has a 4/50 warranty just like the Passat. Is the warranty better because the car costs more?

    Also, the included maintenance isn't much more than an oil change every 10,000 miles. That's more like "included semi-maintenance". Plus one is pre-paying it (more or less) in the initial vehicle price.

    -Craig
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    They are on the same platform, but different suspensions, I believe. I would personally save the money and get the Passat, but that's just me.

    I found the Passat more comfortable than the A4, because the center console in the A4 is very protruding on front leg room (for me, anyway).
  • caw103caw103 Member Posts: 63
    back side of fob has an indent. just push another key or csrewdriver in there and it separates into two.
    The piece with controls snaps apart - change battery.
  • caw103caw103 Member Posts: 63
    Love the way the A4 looks and they did add a few inches of legroom in the back, but it's still tight. My major hesitation with the Audi is that it actually scores even worse than the passat in reliability.
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    From what I read in the Consumer Reports buyer's guide that came in the mail last week, the Passat is the only VW/Audi product that doesn't have below average reliability. I was surprised.
  • outrunoutrun Member Posts: 539
    The current Passat and current A4 are on totally different platforms. The previous A4 (and 2002 S4 only) share the same B5 platform. The new A4 (and I believe 2003 S4) is on the B6 platform.

    The current B5.5 (2001.5+) Passat is actually a stiffened version of the previous A4 platform (by about 10%).

    -Craig
  • altair4altair4 Member Posts: 1,469
    Are you surprised that the Passat ranked as high as it did, or are you surprised that the other models in the lineup didn't do better??
  • big_guybig_guy Member Posts: 372
    The "B5.5" as you call it is also stretched compared to the standard old A4 platform. It is amazing how much more room there is for passengers in the Passat compared to the A4.
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    I am surprised everyone else ranked so low.
  • altair4altair4 Member Posts: 1,469
    The only one made in Germany is the Passat. Think there's any correlation here?

    Personally, I don't think it's final assembly, but I wonder about the quality of outside suppliers.

    Does Europe have anything similar to Consumer Reports? It would be fascinating to see what they get for quality on the Golf and Jetta (Bora) compared to our versions.
  • joel_1joel_1 Member Posts: 5
    i am going to replace that shield in my car 2002 passat. the folks at the dealership know what it is. that shield will cost me $125.00. the oil pan to to the engine broke and the transmission oil pan was damaged. the cost to replace both oil pans and that protective shield is going to cost me $1200.00. anybody have any comments. any comments will help.
  • altair4altair4 Member Posts: 1,469
    Have you lowered your suspension? If not, what did you hit??
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    I have an 02 Jetta that was riddled with rattles when I first got it. After many trips back to the dealer, all the problems are finally fixed. But I had loaner Passats as well (a 99 and an 01), and they both rattled as well.

    I think it's the suppliers as well. But look at the window reg problem. VW knew about it back in 1999, and did nothing about it until now (02). That's rediculous. They are going to reimburse people for their expenses, but that's not something I wanna hear if I had to replace 5 or so regulators on my 1999.5 Jetta since I bought it. You know what I mean?
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    If the repair is going to cost that much, you might do well by claiming it on your insurance. What did you hit anyway??!?
  • mliongmliong Member Posts: 231
    thanks for the fob info.
  • nerdnerd Member Posts: 203
    I would not buy a car without stability control. I don't understand why VW doesn't put it on all Passats as standard equipment.
  • joel_1joel_1 Member Posts: 5
    no the car has no modifications, i did not lower the suspension.
    what happened is a driver cut me off and i did what the police said was, "over corrective evasive maneuver", in other words i avoided getting hit on passenger side of the car. there was no fault. anyway i steered off the road and something hit the bottom of the car.
    the estimates for the repair: (engine oil pan $150.65 and labor to install $300, replace oil filter and oil $20; total estimate $470.65) (transmission oil pan $248.54, labor to install $200.00, transmission fluid replacement $97.50 total estimate $546.04) the rest will go to the black protective shield which i have the option to replace or not.
    (GRAND TOTAL TO REPAIR IS ABOUT $1200+_).
    why i hesitate to put a claim on my insurance. i live in texas. i have two claims 1. stolen vehicle claim 2. windshield replacement claim. the next claim my rate increases or i get dropped by my insurance. and besides i have a $500 deductible, that means the insurance will pay about $700 plus rental.
    my 2002 passat has no other damage and only has 6091 miles. it should be back on the road in about 10 to 11 working days, if i decide to have it fixed at that dealership.
    any other questions or comments will help. thanks
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    I don't know about Texas, but here in MD they can't raise your insurance for comprehensive claims. But I am pretty sure that particular incident would fall under collision, since you actually hit something. If you have a police report though, you may be able to work something out with the company. The report clearly states it wasn't your fault, from what you said.

    It's worth a shot.
  • sschilfsschilf Member Posts: 63
    Hi everyone!

    Can anyone tell me a good price for this car not including sales tax, delivery, etc? ANyone bought under $30k?
  • hoodornamenthoodornament Member Posts: 114
    Hey ,

    You should have NO problem getting into a GLX with automatic/tip for under 30k (no 4-wheel drive), I just priced a loaded one on carsdirect.com for $28,700 (including delivery). With tax of 6% you are looking at $30,422. You can even do better, make a dealer an offer, invoice is about $28,100. You can save another grand if you go manual tranny (I prefer), regardless youre in good shape
  • pkraddpkradd Member Posts: 358
    Do the larger wheels provided better gas mileage or worse? I currently have 15 and an considering upgrading to 16.
  • browneyedgirl2browneyedgirl2 Member Posts: 6
    I have been in the market to purchase a new car for the last month. My husband and I have worked diligently with the local VW dealer to find us a car that fit our liking.
    They located one, on the ship to the states and marked it sold. Whether doing this pushed it through all the checkpoints, we'll never know. But after picking it up for a test drive, 6 times it made a strange grinding noise. Mainly when switching from reverse to drive. It happens after that first initial acceleration and can be felt under the accelerator pedal. It sounds like a pop can being crushed or chains rattling.
    Needless to say, I drove it back to the dealer and told them they had a problem. When they called back 3 days later, they told me they couldn't hear anything. Classic answer. I truly loved that car, but how am I to know if this problem isn't the start of things to come?? I can't imagine this is normal. To anyone who has experienced this same problem, have you determined what is causing it?? If I don't find an honest answer, VW may be short a future owner.
  • vwguildvwguild Member Posts: 1,620
    Sales Person during the Test Drive?
  • browneyedgirl2browneyedgirl2 Member Posts: 6
    They let me take the car overnight since I had every intention to buy it. We had been working with them for a month now and we're pretty comfortable with eachother.
    I received a call from them last night and as it turns out, they did end up hearing it finally (3 people at the dealership did) and now they are trying to pinpoint the problem and get the go-ahead from VW to replace whatever it may be. They said something about the ABS but I was hoping that if anyone has had this same problem, they may have other ideas because I'm not so sure that is what it is.
    They told me if they can't get it fixed, they are going to send the car back and get us a different one.
  • outrunoutrun Member Posts: 539
    Typically, the bigger the wheel, the less the gas mileage due to more weight (and slower acceleration).

    If the 15" wheels are steel, and you're getting 16" alloys, they MIGHT be lighter. But then you need to figure in more "tire" weight.

    Rolling resistence (touring vs performance tires) and tire pressure are also factors in gas mileage.

    While your at it, throw in camber and toe-in adjustments to affect gas mileage.

    -Craig
  • pkraddpkradd Member Posts: 358
    First, Craig. Thanks for the info. I have 15" alloys on my 1.8T Tip 2001.5 Passat. Guess I'll stick with them.

    See, we can get along! ;-)
  • tyrannosaurustyrannosaurus Member Posts: 20
    FINALLY got my car yesterday. Was hung up in "port storage" for nearly a month! Drives like a dream. The manual tranny is so crisp and the leather seats are so fine. My only complaint is there's nowhere to put anything (cell phone, CDs, etc.). The storage area for the car's manual is pretty cool though.

    I asked the dealer whether my warranty would get screwed up by putting 18 or 19 inch wheels on it and they said no, but cautioned that it would screw up my odometer readings...is this true? Seems to me the odometer is going to be driven by the axle turning, not the wheels (granted larger wheels would likely take you farther on the same # of revolutions of the axle).

    Also, Can the driver's door be locked without using the key fob? I tried using the lock button on the door panel this a.m. and it locked everything but the driver's door.

    Thanks
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    First, congrats!

    Secondly, the bigger tires will mess up your speedometer, don't know about odometer though.

    The driver's door can't be locked without the remote. You can also use the key in the door, but not the button inside. You can, however, use the switch on the passenger door, but it won't activate the alarm.

    For storage, the center armrest holds a surprising amount. You have to worry about your stuff being "sloppy" if you leave the armrest up though, and it gets in the way when shifting. I have a Jetta, pretty much the same layout inside. I use the ashtray thing to hold my cell phone when I am in the car. But no place for coins. :(
  • outrunoutrun Member Posts: 539
    Probably won't work. They'll most likely rub if the wheel is turned fully left or right.


    18's should be fine.


    The odometer should always be be fine, but the speedometer will be off, unless you "upsize" according to the mathematical tire forumla, which I don't know.


    But, I do have good news:

    http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html


    Yes, it's a Miata site, but has a great tire calculator.


    For example, if you HAD 195/65 15's (GLS standard), and go to 18's, a possible match would be 225/40 18's. It won't tell you the matching sizes - you need to play with the numbers on the new tire side. Stock would be 807 rev/mi. New would be 804 rev/mi. Close enough to not see a difference. 245/35 18's would be 815 rev/mi. Again, close enough. The bottom of the screen explains what's going to happen relating to the speedometer.


    -Craig

  • tyrannosaurustyrannosaurus Member Posts: 20
    Thanks for the advice gentlemen! Great link Craig. The TireRack has some 19s the website says will work with the Passat, but I have yet to speak with anyone there in person. The tirerack guy on Vortex doesn't seem to reply to the entire group.

    Thanks again
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    I think 18s would be sufficient enough. I have seen 19s on a Jetta before, and I thought they looked stupid. To each his own, though. :)
  • kutatkkutatk Member Posts: 3
    I am thinking of buying a 2-wheel drive 1.8T Passat Wagon, and am curious how it handles in the snow. I plan on using this as my ski car, and I want to get a feeling that it will work well. Let me know what you think.

    The other car I am thinking about is the Subaru Legacy which I am sure handles well in the snow given the all-wheel drive.
  • tyrannosaurustyrannosaurus Member Posts: 20
    Yeah, Vocus...I think the 18's w/ 225 40s should give me the traction i'm after. I'd prefer a more unassuming appearance. I also think I can get within .2% difference in speedometer readings with that set-up.

    Hey, regarding the break-in protocol:

    The manual says don't use full throttle....logical. But it also says don't exceed 3/4 of the "top speed indicated on your speedometer." As the speedometer goes up to 160mph (which I seriously doubt the little four-banger can hit), does this mean I shouldn't exceed 120mph?????? (Can't be!!!) I have to admit, i'm having a hard time staying away from 80mph on the highway. How is this to be interpreted?

    (by the way - what is the supposed top speed of the 1.8 turbo sedan w/ manual transm.?)
  • outrunoutrun Member Posts: 539
    Unless you're driving through a blizzard, FWD with snow tires is more than sufficient. To be honest, FWD with snow tires is better in the snow than an AWD with all season tires.

    You should be fine with the 1.8T/FWD.

    -Craig
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    I know the 1.8T can easily sail along at 120mph, at about 5000rpm with the Tiptronic. Don't ask. :0

    And they do mean 120mph when talking about the speedo. Remember, these cars are Autobahn bread, where they are driven at that speed on a daily basis.

    I think the top speed of the 1.8T is electronically limited to 140mph or something like that. Chip it, and you can easily get up to 150 or so.
  • outrunoutrun Member Posts: 539
    Just don't go beating the crap out of the car for the first 1000 miles and you'll be all set. There is not magical break-in formula. Every engine has different tolerances, specs, etc. Pure common sense plays a major role during breakin.

    The top speed of the 1.8T sedan is around 135mph I believe. Chipped, you're talking almost 150mph.

    -Craig
  • badgerfanbadgerfan Member Posts: 1,565
    I couldn't pass up posting on wheel size, mileage, odometer reading and speedometer reading.(I don't drive a Passat)

    First, if you change wheel size and tires, you may or may not screw up your speedometer and odometer readings. What counts is the rolling diameter of the wheels. Large diameter rims coupled with low profile tires may not make any change at all.

    In any event, if you end up with a larger rolling diameter and change nothing else, your speedometer will read lower than your true ground speed and your odometer will read lower than your true distance traveled because both are sensed off the output speed of your transmission. With larger rolling diameter your output shaft speed will read lower for the same ground speed or distance travelled. With todays electronic speed sensing, likely a programming change could be implemented to correct for this. Older mechanical systems required a change in the speedometer/odometer drive gear to correct for this.

    The effect on mileage could go a number of ways. Larger rolling diameter means you have slightly changed the effective gear ratio of driven wheels to engine speed. This might give you slightly better mileage. Also, rolling resistance of a larger diameter tire may be reduced. Actual wheel weight may also make a slight difference. The type of tire also makes a difference, so in changing to larger wheels and new tires, the actual effect on mileage is indeterminate. If you do not correct for potential speedometer/odometer error, it may look like your mileage goes down, because your odometer will read too low.
  • tyrannosaurustyrannosaurus Member Posts: 20
    Vocus...you need not be embarrassed about the 120 trial...I can assure you I will verify, first-hand, the Passat's top speed after I feel i've effectively broken her in!

    I just had to laugh that the manual seemed to be saying don't exceed 120mph during the break-in period!

    Craig, as usual, sound advice...I think I'll keep it under 80 or 85mph for the first 1000 miles and will avoid winding her out. I'm really very impressed at the smoothness of the engine and transmission. Reeks of quality!

    I was feeling remorseful yesterday when I traded in my Loaded 99 Grand Cherokee...despite all the bad press about repair records, etc. it really is an awesome vehicle (0-60 in around 6 secs. incredible offroad handling). BUT....I felt much better about it after my commute to Boston through the S turns on route 1 north today in the Passat. It IS a sweet machine.
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