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Good luck and let us know what you buy regardless.
That being said, I owned a 98 that went 80,000 miles before it was totalled. It actually got smoother as I approached that mileage. I only had the steering shaft and rusted rear rotors. Other than that, I had no problems at all with the car. I now have a 2001 Intrigue with about 8000 miles on it. So far, it has been flawless (as it should be with 8k miles :-) But I am in agreement if you go 2000 and up, you'll get a nice machine.
Would somebody here still have the URL by any chance?
TIA
As far as reliability goes, we've had our Intrigue for about 10 months now and, other than flaky control of the front passenger window from the driver window controls, no problems. We bought it at 13,500 and now have about 25,000 on it. Very nice car.
Maybe the later 2000's don't have the steering shaft problem... It started out as a light ticking sound when turning right and braking. Now I can feel it left or right, and sometimes driving straight over bumps.
I'm at 20K miles now. I'm just going to let the shaft get a little looser, maybe 25K or 30K, before taking it in. That way the dealer can't pretend it's unreproducable and waste my time.
Anyway, if this kind of things worries you, stick with the 2001+ models when looking used.
I like my car, though. It's comfortable and has lots of power on the highway. I used to think the climate control was a gimmicky frill, but it works well, (and I notice it's absence when I have to drive rentals of other makes.)
I wish Olds had included standard lumbar adjustment in the earlier models, though. I know the 2002's have it... but a car in this class really should have had it all along.
dindak - Yeah, that extra $1500 off is a definite plus on the Intrigue. Even factoring in the steep deprecation, it's still a pretty good deal when compared to the Maxima. Obviously, it's more expensive in the long run than an Accord EX V6, but I think I might kill myself out of sheer boredom if I got that.
oldsman - I would definitely get a GL with PCS. And I like the oil sensor.
Currently there's a $1000 off rebate, and a 0.9% financing for 48 months. Do you folks know whether it's an either/or situation, or can you get both?
Thanks again.
Go, Bob go!
Accord V6 is only slightly more exciting to drive than a Malibu. It's really is a dull car, but it sells faster than freshly made Krispy Kreem donuts. Never understand that.
Proof of that is this statement:...during one of his first trips to GM's design center, he saw sketches of a vehicle that had been rejected, and ordered Brian Nesbitt, Chevy's design chief for concept cars, to get it ready for the show.
The fact that this unnamed vehicle was canned and the Aztek pushed to production shows the level of resistance to change that is at GM. Nesbitt and Lutz were largely responsible for the PT Cruiser. That being said, I'm looking forward to seeing this car at the auto show.
"The superb engineering and technological excellence I have seen" at GM combined with "excellent design that people recognize and love" will get the world's largest automaker to that share, he said.
I don't think too many people will deny that GM is among the best when it comes to technological excellence, even by foreign car owners. From a technical perspective--specifically powertrains--GM can hold it's own against anyone. Who will deny that a (relatively) cheap priced GM midsize car such as Impala and Intrigue have transmissions that are just as smooth, if not smoother, than Lexus powertrains? Only those who haven't driven them. Much of the "useful" technology that exist has been pioneered by GM. I say "useful" because I hear so many people obsessed with "high-tech" features like VVT-i. VVT-i was a trick used to optimize power from underpowered engines. If you've ever driven a VVT-i, even GM's, you'll feel noticeable lag compared to other engines with similar displacement and power output. Auto.com reviewed the new ES300. While it's power rating is close to the Intrigue, the reviewer commented that at higher speeds it looses steam. We all here know that that's where the non-VVT-i 3.5L comes to life! That's just one example of technology that sounds fancy and great but really turns out to be nothing.
Now if they can match good designs with that technology, watch out!
Ok. I'm done :-)
In the 2001 "APEAL" study, our beloved Intrigue didn't fare so well. It was 3rd from last, beating out only the Taurus and Suburu Legacy. The Avalon was #1 and the XG300 was #2.
They categorize buyers into six demographic groups. The group that buys the most Intrigues is called "mature sensible" which pretty much describes me. In contrast, the most common Maxima buyer group is the "affluent enthusiast."
What I found interesting is that the Taurus rates lower than the Intrigue in both quality and appeal, yet outsells it almost 4 to 1. I suppose a combination of name recognition, price and marketing explain it.
Really if you take out the steering shaft problems and warped rotors the Intrigue is amazingly trouble-free.
Just making your claims straight.
A point one must keep in mind is that this steering shaft was "tested" on Intrigue for 2 years before going on Impalas. Impala wasn't made until model year 2000. So it is no surprise that 98, 99, and 2000 Intrigues suffer with this problem along with 2000 Impalas.
TIA
My guess would be either the '99 or '02 Intrigues.
The '99s all had the 3.29 axle and you could choose either the 3.8 or 3.5 motor. They also hasn't been de-contented of the fuel filler door and a few other little things. But then, there's the ISS, brakes, alternator... did the previous owner take care of these?
The '02s have adjustable lumbar and should be free of the problems of the earlier models. If you can find a PCS car you could still get the 3.29 axle, but I doubt many of these were built-- and it might be a tough search.
I guess one2one is the only one of us who has extended experience with both.
the '99 intrigue has that weird non start/rough start thing also.
This is the link to JD Power's site glossary and you can find the terms by looking thru this. I don't have access to my firm's intranet at home (where I post from) so I can't access the reports from here. If there are specific models you are interested in, I'll check. Keep in mind that the "premium midsize" class was 25-30 different vehicles.
Now that you've reminded me about the wheel liners and heated seats, maybe the 2002's do edge out the older models...
I guess if you really wanted the headed mirrors from a '99 Intrigue, you could scavenge for them in a junkyard someday!
I have a sony cd changer with a build in decoder with rca (L&R) output, wondering if i can hook it up to the existing unit.
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Now, if only they could apply the philosophy for creating the Envoy and its stablemates to their car line...
It seems that I fit in the "practical enthusiast" category. There, I got a label on myself!
:^)
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I am trying to pick up an 02 Intrigue before the big incentives expire next week. But my dealer can't find anything close to what I want within 100 miles (Rockford, IL). I'm looking for a GL with leather, PCS and a wing in silver. Most GL's w/ leather out there were ordered with the sun and sound package which I do not want. I may have to factory order, but that takes a good 6 weeks assuming Fairfax stays open. I just heard this morning, GM is shutting down the Janesville, Wi truck plant for a while.