You should be fine with the order. Get what you want, not what the dealer wants to give you. Intrigues should be rolling off the line till spring. I'll bet if you order you will get it faster than 6 weeks as they are NOT busy.
Yeah, that's what I did in December of 2000. They already had incentives, and had announced the Olds shutdown, in November. But I waited until December and got another $500 off.
I never got an Olds loyalty coupon, though. (I guess because I bought after the shutdown was announced...)
People who bought prior to the shutdown announcement got the loyalty coupon. People who bought after got the 5/60 warranty. What's the motto? - "Oldsmobile, we'll be there". Wait, that isn't right...
It's funny, they don't run those ads in Canada (though I see them on US TV). All Olds dealers in Canada are Chevrolet/Oldsmobile dealers so I guess it's never a second thought that Oldsmobile is backed by GM.
Just got an invite to the 02 Honda CR-V launch party in 2 weeks. May as well go and enjoy the free food and drink. Apparently you get a free gift also!
All this relates to the "premium midsize" category that encompasses the Intrigue and 24 other cars. BTW, APEAL stands for Automotive Performance Execution And Layout. Demographics: average age=51, avg income=$69K, largest demographic group = mature sensibles (24%), 2nd largest = practical enthusiast (20%). For the Intrigue, the numbers (in the same order) are 60, $61K, mature sensibles (40%), domestic indulgents (24%).
Largest purchasers for other cars: Impala=mature sensible, Grand Prix=tie between practical enthusiast and domestic indulgents, Accord=practical enthusiast, Maxima=affluent enthusiast, Camry=mature sensible.
The APEAL rating has eight categories: engine/trans performance, cockpit/instrument panel, ride/handling, HVAC, comfort/convenience, sound system, seats, styling/exterior. Within each category, between 9 and 17 items are rated.
Looking at these ratings, it becomes clear why the Intrigue doesn't sell very well. It ranks 23rd overall in the 25 car group. With the exception of engine/trans, the ratings of almost all the individual items in each of the other seven categories has a mean score "significantly worse than" the group average. In four categories (ride, HVAC, comfort, sound), every single item is rated significantly worse.
So, gentlemen, we, as Intrigue owners/lovers are not only in the minority but obviously out of touch with reality ;-)
The Accord won the latest sedans comparo. I wonder if that is the same car that i rejected because it handled like a japanes buick and being sluggish off the line? Maybe the intrigue should have been included in the test.
When you get a chance, pop the hoods of your Intrigues and check to see if your struts and mounting bolts are centered on the holes. My right side is off by quite a bit and I'm wondering if this might be a defect causing the rattle/popping when turning right and braking.
I'm surprised I never noticed it before because when you look at it, it's real obvious. A thorough lube cures it for a short while but it always comes back. I'm just curious if all or some Intrigues are like this? My build date is 4-99.
Well, after reading post 5164 about the APEAL study, I guess I'm happy to be out of touch with reality. Classic point of why I don't give a rat's "you know what" about what studies and surveys say. I guess I don't meet the group's average statistics either. Being only 26 and not making 60K a year, I guess I blew that one out of the water. And "mature sensible" just doesn't sound like me. But again, I never have been one to be easily pegged.
No, there are no RCA inputs on the Intrigue's radio. There is a single 32 pin connector and an antenna connector and that is it. What one would have to do is splice into the wires for the pins which are remote audio in(E10 and E11) and then connect the RCA outs from your changer or other device to that. The other issue is getting a signal the register on the common pin(E9) which will allow the aux imput to activate. Does you car have the in dash cd player or just the cassette? Does it have Onstar? Onstar poses a bigger problem because it used the remote audio imputs for sound. They sure don't make it easy for someone to add additional equipment.
cost me $25 cdn today. i wonder how much money i will save by having to put in only regular gas, assuming an annual mileage of 30,000 km (18,000 miles)? Just read that GM is recalling 86,000+ unit of Envoy and Trailblazer, didn't they just vote it truck of the year. Gm canada is finally offering 0% financing for 36 months, in order to compete with the other two.
my car has no onstar but cd & cassette. The existing sound system (01) sounded pretty decent but i happen to have a sony pre-amp unit, separate amplifiers and tweeter, midrange and subwoofer from europe.
tires X1 (they called it T-plus) is on sale in sears canada for $119 cdn., they said the pilot does not come in this size (225-60r16). Anyone tried 17" wheels yet?
That is a good deal for X-Ones.. Does Sears have their own relabelled Pilots too? My Pilots were ~$165cdn installed/balanced.
I do remember a former Intrigue owner on this message board a year or more ago (Greybeep) who ended up selling and getting an LS1 F-body car having 17s on his Intrigue, looked pretty nice.. Have to go wider than 225's though as they would look too skinny. 245/50ZR17's maybe, and keep the 16" rims for winter tires.
winter9, the entire Janesville GM truck plant isn't being shut down for awhile, just the 2 medium-duty lines (which are closing soon as GM consolidates production in Flint). The third line (Tahoe/Yukon/Yukon XL/Suburban) is still running, and has resumed Friday overtime (normal week is 4 10's, 2 shifts). How do I know this? My mother-in-law works there...
Best resource to locate an Intrigue is gmbuypower.com. You can search for a car based on your Zip Code. It only shows you the closest 5 dealers, so change your zip to Chicago (60611 downtown) and you should find a few Intrigues...
--Robert (an Aurora driver whose wife ended up buying a Grand Prix GTP instead of an Intrigue GLS)
It's nice to see sub 60 cent gas again. Fill ups are pretty painless these days.
0% for 3 years isn't great. I would like to see it for at least 48 months. The payments on a $25-30K car are a bit steep over 3 years. What are the 48 mo. and 60 mo. rates?
Went to circuit city today and looked at XM receivers. I particularly like the Sony because it can easily be undocked and taken inside to use with a home system(must purchase a special kit for $149) which is something I would surely do. I'm still scratching my head on how to integrate the system with the Intrigue's existing audio system and not have to go the RF modulator route. I'll probably pull the radio one day this week and see just exactly what I'm dealing with. Having the service manual has given me an advantage in knowing whats in the dash and how everything connects.
I leased a 99 3.8L intrigue GL silver with leather in April 99. According to the study, I must be out of touch too 'cause I was only 26 and making only mid-40s at that time. I did get married 50 days later though.
I did have some severe early quality problems with my car. Believe it or not, the supposedly reliable 3.8 series II engine died twice on the road and they eventually replaced it at less than 8800 miles! Since then it has been trouble-free and being a drag-racer I am feeling better now.
GMAC inflated the residual value to make the lease a better deal at that time. I guess the bank will suffer great loss due to intrigue's low resale value. I, for one, am only willing to pay around $9500-10000 for mine when the lease expires next April. You guys think it's reasonble?
Manual doesn't mention this for scheduled maintenance. Was wondering how often it should be replaced?
Also looked at the strut towers on a couple of new Intrigues and saw that they both were like mine in that the right strut is off-center from the hole in the frame so I guess they're all like this.
My '99 3.5L lease turn in was sold at auction for $8300 last June. Its build date was 3/99. I was willing to offer them $9500 at the time, but since they couldn't fix the cars problems i bought an impala. Why not take your olds loyalty money and buy something else?
I would just take your Oldsmobile loyalty coupon and buy/ lease a 2002. The deals are great and you will get a 5 year warranty. You also get one of the last of the wonderful 3.5L Shortstars!
I have to agree with b4z. With your loyalty coupon, zero percent financing, and any additional cash back, you could probably get an Impala LS with all the works and pay a Malibu price for it. Or maybe a Regal. As much as I (obviously) like the Intrigue, I think your money would go a lot further with one of Intrigue's sisters.
Besides, by the time your lease is up, you may not be able to find many Intrigues you like on dealer lots.
I saw somewhere that they are not supposed to be replaced periodically. I think that they are designed to last for the car's lifetime, or so the manufacturers say...
Anyway, they made sure it's hard to have it replaced on most cars: the fuel tank has to be removed because the filter is inside it! :^/
When I took my Intrigue in at 30K miles for an oil change the dealer wanted to change my fuel filter and clean my throttle body. He also wanted to change my air filters, oil, and rotate the tires to the tune of $350. The air filters are easy to change, so I did that myself. The passenger filter was only $20, and the engine filter was $7.
I've always changed my fuel filters on other cars around 30K miles, but I'm not sure what to do with the Intrigue. We need a definitive answer on this!
Teo, thanks for the heads up on GM extending the incentives. I am looking at factory ordering a 2002 Intrigue GL, leather, PCS, wing, heater. The invoice is $24,590. Since I work for a GM supplier, I can get a GMS price of $24,965. In your opinion, is $375 over invoice a good deal for this car? I am not tremendously impressed with this price. Am I spoiled and asking for too much?
I bought mine through GMS and I seem to remember the price being under invoice. Since you are ordering yours, the price should be under invoice with the GMO option. Go to this site to view GMO/GMS pricing:
b4z: you meant your car sold at auction in June 2000 for $8500? That's low unless the mileage is really high. Maybe you meant June, 2001? And how did you know the price? I will be curious to know how much my car gets at auction if I turn it in. I am considering buying it at lease end for $9500 because my car has low mileage and some scratches I don't really want to pay to fix. I am adjusting my offer down now.
June 2001. 35,000 miles in 27 months. $8300 was what the car brought at auction. Which means it probably went on some dealer's lot for $11,900. The termination value at lease end was $13,110 upon turn in in March 2002. Which means GMAC took a hit for $4,810.00. It would have been worse if i hadn't taken advantage of the early lease termination deal they were running last summer. They sent me a letter which explains all of this and a check for $16.39. By the way if you want to turn your car in early it is possible.
I remember I asked them last year and the answer was no. How do you turn it in early? I never received a letter and never knew about the early termination deal. I'd like to end the lease right now. My car only has 20566 on it now but base on your info, it would only worth $7000 at auction assuming the then mileage is about 28000. That would be half of the buyout price on my car's lease agreement!
I would think if one used name brand gasoline all the time, a fuel filter would last a long time. I have the original fuel filter (12 years, 132K miles) in my Voyager minivan with no known problems and I'm sure today's designs are better than they were 12 years ago.
Did anyone see the 8 sedan comparison in C&D? Too bad they chose a base model Buick Regal with the standard(read soft) suspension and few options. My guess is if they had included an Intrigue in that test, it would have come in probably behind the Nissan Altima. As I read their complaints about the Regal, I thought to myself; "not so on the Intrigue." But alas, the Regal(which isn't a bad car in GS form) gets to stay around while the Intrigue goes. Also, their Altima V6 only did 0-60 in 7.3 seconds and how about those Dodge Intrepid acceleration numbers. 10 seconds to get to 60 mph! And this is a V6 sedan that has been on C&Ds 10 best list several years. Other than the Altima, that comparison test basically made me yawn.
It was only available for leases that terminated before March 31,2002. So you weren't eligible. During the last year of the lease you can call GMAC (assuming that is who you did your lease through) and they will give you an amount that you pay upfront to get rid of the car. The closer you are to turning the car in the lower the amount. But the less the savings. It doesn't really matter what the car brings at auction because they still may want the termination value if you want to buy it. I would expect that because the cars' value is dropping like a stone they would probably sell it to you. Did your dealer add $500 profit in the lease if you buy it? My termination value was $13,110 but the purchase option was $13,610. Big rip off if you ask me. If it were me i would keep the car until April then use the loyalty money for something else. If you want to buy it offer them between $8500-9000 and have a nice low car payment.
Fuel filter on Intrigue is mounted OUTSIDE the fuel tank, at the rear of the vehicle. I changed the fuel filter on my 99 GL 3.5 at about 45,000 miles. My wife said the car accelerated better after the change. I blew through the old filter and it defintely had significant resistance. The filter cost about $7 and took about 15 minutes to change. I doubt there would be any problem below 4,000 rpm; over 4,000 rpm you don't want ANY restriction to fuel flow. BTW, I noticed while washing it Saturday that the rear brake pads are near the wear sensors. Car now has about 54,000 miles. I'll probably do a full brake job this weekend since the weather service says winter is finally going to hit here around Thanksgiving. I'd sure rather work on the car in 55-60 degrees than 25-30 degrees! It's about time for a new serpentine (sp?) belt, too.
Now things might finally get moving!!! Glad he's going back to selling cosmetics and pharmaceuticals and not cars.
One grating issue from the article: He led an effective team that has transformed our sales and marketing and brought about a heightened awareness of brand value to the entire industry.
White6 - Thanks for the advice on replacing the crank sensor. I purchased one from gmdirect for under $60, including shipping, and took about 25 minutes to put it in. Works fine. However, the part number is the same and that indicates that there is no improvement thus, the problem will probably resurface again later.
New problem. When disconnected the battery the radio locked up, displaying a "LOC" message. That should only be if a secret code was entered into it. Well, this car was a program car, so I do not know it for sure it they entered a code but, my friend definitely did not. We took it back to the dealer and told them that they sold us a car with a secret code that we were entitled to know. To make it short, after some argument in which they wanted to charge about $100, they agreed to remove the code. They unlocked the radio but, the code was still in it. The service Manager told me that there was no code left by them in the radion, so I went home, removed the battery and the radio locked up again. So, that car is going back to the dealer today.
In the meantime, I was going to check my wife's car for the same problem. Well, since she has not driven the car for 3 weeks, the battery was super dead. I had never seen battery voltage of 2.2 volts across the terminals. Put the charger on it, checked the radio and it is locked. This car, I purchased from a wholesaler with less then 1K on the odometer. Doubt that anyone put a code in it yet, however, it is there. I smell something rotten from the factory.
Can anyone who purhased the car brand new confirm that these cars come with a factory installed code in them? To check turn your ignition ON, turn the radio OFF and press and hold down the 1 and 4 buttons until the display changes. If you get "---" such, then there is NO code. If you get "SEC" then there is a code in there and your friendly dealer will want to charge you about $100 to unlock your radio but, will leave the code in it so that you will be a guaranteed, return customer next time your battery goes dead or removed.
The point I was trying to make was the the dealer did unlock the radio but, I was not able to put a new code in it as it still had the old code, where ever it came from. He denied leaving the old code in it and accused me putting a new one in it. Well, I guess I do not have anything better to do than putting codes in the radio and harass them with removing it...
The point I was trying to make was the the dealer did unlock the radio but, I was not able to put a new code in it as it still had the old code, where ever it came from. He denied leaving the old code in it and accused me putting a new one in it. Well, I guess I do not have anything better to do than putting codes in the radio and harass them with removing it...
I'm going to go out on a limb and say, no, the radio doesn't have a code from the factory. I installed an aftermarket receiver in the old '98 Intrigue. I purchased that one as a demo. When it got totalled, the insurance company told me to put the factory radio back in so they could cart the car away. After I did so, the radio worked fine and had no lock code. I didn't try the test you mentioned. But it would seem that if I took it out of the car and put it back in a year later, if it had a code, it would have prevented me from using it after reinstallation.
So if yours has a lock code, the previous owner must have put it in.
Read the sedan comparison in the new Car & Driver. Accord being #1 is a joke for sure. Looking at the numbers I would have put the Altima at #1 even though I hate the clear cheapo tail lights. Buick should have been ahead of Taurus and Intrigue or Grand Prix would have done better IMO. I guess Intrigue being a lame duck was not allowed to play.
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Give tthe dismal economy and the unique situation Olds is in, I fully expect that the incentives will likely improve after the currebt crop expires.
It is unimaginable that they would reduce them....
I never got an Olds loyalty coupon, though. (I guess because I bought after the shutdown was announced...)
Same but backwards..
Just got an invite to the 02 Honda CR-V launch party in 2 weeks. May as well go and enjoy the free food and drink. Apparently you get a free gift also!
Largest purchasers for other cars: Impala=mature sensible, Grand Prix=tie between practical enthusiast and domestic indulgents, Accord=practical enthusiast, Maxima=affluent enthusiast, Camry=mature sensible.
The APEAL rating has eight categories: engine/trans performance, cockpit/instrument panel, ride/handling, HVAC, comfort/convenience, sound system, seats, styling/exterior. Within each category, between 9 and 17 items are rated.
Looking at these ratings, it becomes clear why the Intrigue doesn't sell very well. It ranks 23rd overall in the 25 car group. With the exception of engine/trans, the ratings of almost all the individual items in each of the other seven categories has a mean score "significantly worse than" the group average. In four categories (ride, HVAC, comfort, sound), every single item is rated significantly worse.
So, gentlemen, we, as Intrigue owners/lovers are not only in the minority but obviously out of touch with reality ;-)
Maybe the intrigue should have been included in the test.
I'm surprised I never noticed it before because when you look at it, it's real obvious. A thorough lube cures it for a short while but it always comes back. I'm just curious if all or some Intrigues are like this? My build date is 4-99.
Just read that GM is recalling 86,000+ unit of Envoy and Trailblazer, didn't they just vote it truck of the year.
Gm canada is finally offering 0% financing for 36 months, in order to compete with the other two.
I do remember a former Intrigue owner on this message board a year or more ago (Greybeep) who ended up selling and getting an LS1 F-body car having 17s on his Intrigue, looked pretty nice.. Have to go wider than 225's though as they would look too skinny. 245/50ZR17's maybe, and keep the 16" rims for winter tires.
Best resource to locate an Intrigue is gmbuypower.com. You can search for a car based on your Zip Code. It only shows you the closest 5 dealers, so change your zip to Chicago (60611 downtown) and you should find a few Intrigues...
--Robert
(an Aurora driver whose wife ended up buying a Grand Prix GTP instead of an Intrigue GLS)
0% for 3 years isn't great. I would like to see it for at least 48 months. The payments on a $25-30K car are a bit steep over 3 years. What are the 48 mo. and 60 mo. rates?
I leased a 99 3.8L intrigue GL silver with leather in April 99.
According to the study, I must be out of touch too 'cause I was only 26 and making only mid-40s at that time. I did get married 50 days later though.
I did have some severe early quality problems with my car. Believe it or not, the supposedly reliable 3.8 series II engine died twice on the road and they eventually replaced it at less than 8800 miles! Since then it has been trouble-free and being a drag-racer I am feeling better now.
GMAC inflated the residual value to make the lease a better deal at that time. I guess the bank will suffer great loss due to intrigue's low resale value. I, for one, am only willing to pay
around $9500-10000 for mine when the lease expires next April. You guys think it's reasonble?
Also looked at the strut towers on a couple of new Intrigues and saw that they both were like mine in that the right strut is off-center from the hole in the frame so I guess they're all like this.
Why not take your olds loyalty money and buy something else?
Besides, by the time your lease is up, you may not be able to find many Intrigues you like on dealer lots.
Anyway, they made sure it's hard to have it replaced on most cars: the fuel tank has to be removed because the filter is inside it!
:^/I've always changed my fuel filters on other cars around 30K miles, but I'm not sure what to do with the Intrigue. We need a definitive answer on this!
"There is no service interval for the in-pipe fuel filter replacement. Only replace the in-pipe fuel filter if the filter is restricted."
http://www.gmfamilysavings.com/employee/index.html
Also, don't forget any rebates in effect will be subtracted from the purchase price.
b4z: you meant your car sold at auction in June 2000 for $8500? That's low unless the mileage is really high. Maybe you meant June, 2001?
And how did you know the price? I will be curious to know how much my car gets at auction if I turn it in.
I am considering buying it at lease end for $9500 because my car has low mileage and some scratches I don't really want to pay to fix. I am adjusting my offer down now.
The termination value at lease end was $13,110 upon turn in in March 2002. Which means GMAC took a hit for $4,810.00. It would have been worse if i hadn't taken advantage of the early lease termination deal they were running last summer. They sent me a letter which explains all of this and a check for $16.39.
By the way if you want to turn your car in early it is possible.
My car only has 20566 on it now but base on your info, it would only worth $7000 at auction assuming the then mileage is about 28000. That would be half of the buyout price on my car's lease agreement!
Thank you very much for the information.
before March 31,2002. So you weren't eligible.
During the last year of the lease you can call GMAC (assuming that is who you did your lease through) and they will give you an amount that you pay upfront to get rid of the car.
The closer you are to turning the car in the lower the amount. But the less the savings.
It doesn't really matter what the car brings at auction because they still may want the termination value if you want to buy it. I would expect that because the cars' value is dropping like a stone they would probably sell it to you.
Did your dealer add $500 profit in the lease if you buy it? My termination value was $13,110 but the purchase option was $13,610. Big rip off if you ask me.
If it were me i would keep the car until April then use the loyalty money for something else. If you want to buy it offer them between $8500-9000 and have a nice low car payment.
BTW, I noticed while washing it Saturday that the rear brake pads are near the wear sensors. Car now has about 54,000 miles. I'll probably do a full brake job this weekend since the weather service says winter is finally going to hit here around Thanksgiving. I'd sure rather work on the car in 55-60 degrees than 25-30 degrees! It's about time for a new serpentine (sp?) belt, too.
Maybe there *is* some hope for GM after all. If only it happened a year or so ago, maybe Olds would still be alive.
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One grating issue from the article: He led an effective team that has transformed our sales and marketing and brought about a heightened awareness of brand value to the entire industry.
And he did this when?...
New problem. When disconnected the battery the radio locked up, displaying a "LOC" message. That should only be if a secret code was entered into it. Well, this car was a program car, so I do not know it for sure it they entered a code but, my friend definitely did not. We took it back to the dealer and told them that they sold us a car with a secret code that we were entitled to know. To make it short, after some argument in which they wanted to charge about $100, they agreed to remove the code. They unlocked the radio but, the code was still in it. The service Manager told me that there was no code left by them in the radion, so I went home, removed the battery and the radio locked up again. So, that car is going back to the dealer today.
In the meantime, I was going to check my wife's car for the same problem. Well, since she has not driven the car for 3 weeks, the battery was super dead. I had never seen battery voltage of 2.2 volts across the terminals. Put the charger on it, checked the radio and it is locked. This car, I purchased from a wholesaler with less then 1K on the odometer. Doubt that anyone put a code in it yet, however, it is there. I smell something rotten from the factory.
Can anyone who purhased the car brand new confirm that these cars come with a factory installed code in them? To check turn your ignition ON, turn the radio OFF and press and hold down the 1 and 4 buttons until the display changes. If you get "---" such, then there is NO code. If you get "SEC" then there is a code in there and your friendly dealer will want to charge you about $100 to unlock your radio but, will leave the code in it so that you will be a guaranteed, return customer next time your battery goes dead or removed.
Would appreciate any comments, answers on this.
So if yours has a lock code, the previous owner must have put it in.
Read the sedan comparison in the new Car & Driver. Accord being #1 is a joke for sure. Looking at the numbers I would have put the Altima at #1 even though I hate the clear cheapo tail lights. Buick should have been ahead of Taurus and Intrigue or Grand Prix would have done better IMO. I guess Intrigue being a lame duck was not allowed to play.
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Grand Prix GP40
http://www.edmunds.com/news/autoshows/articles/48020/page017.html