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Which filter - the 33-2086 or the 33-2059??
I like "what car" and other car mags. from UK.
For those of you with high speed access, some amazing videos from the show are available at
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Interesting note - the Impala 3.8 and Aurora 4.0 are both listed as taking the same paper filter, but K&N has two different filters. Upon inspecting them I noticed the rubber "frame" was indeed a bit different on the two and they were not exactly interchangable. K&N gets really weird about exact custom fits and no air leakage. They are often a really tight fit to close the box.
As before, I second all the comments on the car mags. Teo - you got it. I've been in the camry and accord and own an Impala. Scooter vs Harley is pretty accurate. Same could be said for how they compare to the Intrigue. There is just a lot of "emporer's new cloths" mentality in the car mag circles. Blinded by a lot of bias also fits.
Sounds like somebody will eventually just "take the plunge" on the 3.5L and see what happens, because K&N isn't gonna tell us.
Myself, I'm very shy of monkeying with the air filter on my own. Modern cars are very picky about air fuel mixture, because of all the computerized stuff that's done to get the most efficient mixture. Maybe after somebody else tries it for a year without problems, I'll give it a go.
P.S. - We're back in the top 10! That seems to happen when JGriff de-lurks. I guess he's good for something! ;-)
Anyway, I did notice one interesting thing in the C&D comparo: The Impala and the Buick blew the field away in the 30-50 mph acceleration test. It is hard to beat the ol' 3.8 Torquemeister down low. Impala did it in 3.6, Buick in 3.4. Rest of field was 4.0 and above. Even the "mighty" Altima V6 was 4.3.
GM powertrains are awesome, now hopefully Lutz can help make the rest of the vehicles just as good.
than 3 seconds. I know mine would practically take
your head off at 30 mph.
Wonder why the impala was .5 secs. slower than the regal. Also 8.6 is about the slowest time i have seen for the impala.
My stbs and sway bars have made a tremendous difference. I can't make the tires squeal around turns if I tried. She's tight and rigid yet the stbs seem to soften up the bumps, make them less jarring.
I've had quite the few problems with her this month. I was ready to give up a few weeks ago but we'll see how it goes. I can't say I feel too happy with Intrigue or Oldsmobile or my dealer right now.
Yates, and his "Hollywierd" background (Cannonball movies et al), is pure material for lining my cat's litterbox.
Reading the road test of family sedans was humouros. They end the Honda love fest by exagerating the Altima's faults, and ignoring its purer sports sedan performance as holding significant weight. They then put the new Camry second, which really should have beat the older Honda anyways. I too believe they are stuck in a rut, one which cannot be excused.
R&T it is then, except when i can find my favorite, CAR, but thats overseas coverage only (but great).
:^/And across the board it seems that reviewers are more than happy to bash American-made cars for the tiniest flaws, the same and often less severe than some on imports that are very easily either overlooked or rationalized about.
Sometimes I think that those reviewers belong to the same club of Cassandras blaming the US for 9/11...
:^Pwinter : I could be wrong, but I'm suspicious. Then again, CR has no advertising and their tests suck half the time.
There hasn't been a major boost in horsepower but I have noticed some, particularly in the bottom half, you know before our "turbo" kicks in at 3500.
The strut tower brace fits without any drilling and could easily be installed by a novice. Both the sway bars and stbs came from grandprixstore.com
I do have a caution for you. The front stb will touch the power steering pump hose. This will "broadcast" the steering pump noise and make it sound like it's a bad steering pump. Alas, I found this out after they'd replaced my power steering pump twice and the rack and pinion as well. My friend spotted the problem right away and I bought some soundproofing tape from soundproofing.org, wrapped the bar and it's reduced the problem. I seem to remember someone mentioning a GM stb that wouldn't touch the hose. Maybe this might be wise for at least the front one but I heard it required drilling. The stbs were very easy to install (well the front one was). Luckily my bro (who is a tech at a Subaru dealer) is smaller than me and fit in the trunk to put the back one on. Similarly, the rear sway bar was fairly simple. The front sway bar was the most difficult to install. You may want to keep the existing front sway bar and just get the polyurethane bushings for it (at grandprixstore.com). My dealer screwed up the front sway when they had to take it out to replace the steering and then tried to charge me $84 for it cause it was aftermarket. If I know one thing, it's that dealerships are out to swindle you. I'm feeling rather skeptical about keeping this car. The things that I've had replaced on it would've cost me a fortune had it not been under warranty. She feels creakier by the day. I can't decide whether to keep her and risk major repairs or have the stress of a new 25K loan.
I just ordered 12 oil filters (they come in packs of 12) from gmpartsdirect.com Fram actually makes an oil filter for our cars now but you have to order it, so I decided to go with these. 12 oughtta be enough for a lifetime. Does anyone wanna buy them from me if I dump my Intrigue? Oh and by the way Fram also makes a passenger compartment air filter for the Intrigue too. For those of you that have GXs before 2001 models, you can easily install a passenger compartment air filter. It's the best "modification" I've done to my car and pretty cheap too.
What I don't get is how the Aurora, that doesn't pretend to be a luxury performance machine, had K&N's listed in the catalogs but the Intrigue, which has had the 3.5 since '99 still doesn't have anything.
In short, if you're waiting for K&N to officially provide a filter for the Intrigue, don't hold your breath.
Here's a question that was asked that I'd be interested in knowing our view on:
What about all-wheel-drive, because GM is talking about bringing out more high-performance engines soon?
Any thoughts?
offer AWD. Today the Versatrak system under a hi-pow version of, lets say an Intrigue, would have been awsome. It would also have validated Olds historic technology background. Another GM miss in my estimation. With Olds gone soon, they should still get some AWD cars, not more trucks, as they are already too truck-centric, as Lutz feels rightly. Here's hoping...
Re. the K&Ns -- does anyone know how well they filter the air? I wouldn't want my engine breathing in a lot of junk.
Teo was asking how the Intrigue is. Fact is, I don't have one. I came here about 18 months ago because I was thinking of a purchase. Then a bunch of things changed, not the least of which was the decision to kill Olds. It was bizarre on the day that was announced... I run the Olds email list (about 600 members, mostly with owners of V-8 powered Oldses from the 60s thru 80s represented) and on the day of the announcement I got calls and emails from all sorts of reporters. It's scary to think how easy the net has made it to track people down. Anyway, I got quoted in the Denver Post and the Detroit Free Press, which was nice, even though the reason sucked.. ;-)
An Intrigue purchase still might be in the cards, but nothing's for certain. But I still like it here, so I'm hanging around.
2017 Cadillac ATS Performance Premium 3.6
But at least it's not because the Intrigue is a "crappy" machine.
We've read a lot of articles on Lutz but this article sounds like someone on this forum wrote it. It is SOOOOOOO refreshing to read that someone with credibility openly says Zarella is an idiot when it comes to cars.
Just to whet your appetite, here's a clip:
Lutz's answer for how to get [Cadillac] on the right path without making Zarrella look foolish was to keep the "art and science" strategy, but change everything else about the strategy-- the design template of the cars and the marketing direction.
If I were Zarrella, I would have gone back to the eyeglasses and contact lens business too, especially if the company was falling all over themselves to offer me whatever I wanted to run the show.
I actually wish it would take a bit longer as we are just getting the '99 Intrigue paid off and wanted to have a little breather before making $600 payments again (I'm opting for 100% financing with 36 month, 0 interest).
With the holiday and all, I should be able to take delivery by the end of the month. Now I have to sell my '90 Probe. Any takers?
First, the increased air flow is no different than switching a very dirty paper filter to a new clean paper filter. The mass air flow sensor adjusts for all of that. Changes in air flow due to a different filter are nothing to worry about. There are millions of K&N's probably out there.
Second - they work. I dyno'd and Aurora and it added +7 HP to the peak (at wheels) over the clean paper. You probably won't "feel" much, but if you were really trying to take somebody at a light or pass, you would probably see a half car length to a full car length.
Third - The fact that K&N doesn't list one for the car is troubling. I'd compare air boxes and filters for other GM's that are K&N listed. Sounds like you guys are doing that. If it fits tight and seems to drop in and cover the entire rim or lip of the box, you're probably OK.
I just want to second, third, fourth, and fifth all the car mag comments. You guys have listed out my exact thoughts.
Happy Thanksgiving to all!
"It's been nearly a year since the day GM made the dreaded annoucement. I wonder what would have happened if Lutz had just taken over then and someone "ran that idea by him." "
...wondering the same thing...I'd say his thought would be BUICK instead. He recently commented on its disturbing avg. buyer's age (67 or something close to it).
Here's me, not holding my breath.
Is this a GM fix? If it is, what is the service bulletin on it so that I can take it to Olds for the fix.
Thanks
Mine still scrapes sometimes but is supposedly made of a quieter material so when it does scrape it's less noticeable. And it doesn't scrape as much as it used to.
I won't be writing K&N, I already have a filter from them and it works fine. They couldn't possibly list the filter for the Intrigue because it doesn't EXACTLY match what we have. But it's close enough, mine even fits better than the original. I can't understand the hesitancy by anyone here. Every car guy I knows has a K&N and can't sing enough praise for them. With a little boost in horsepower, why not? K&N claims it filters the air EVEN BETTER than the paper air filters. Even so, I for one would rather breathe through gauze than through paper anyday. I'm sure our engines do too. Again, we're talking milimeters difference and my K&N filter actually fits better than the OEM one. Just get one.
Happy American Thanksgiving to all of you down in the U.S.
You are have the 3.5L, correct?
Happy Turkey Day!
Regarding the air dam: can I just go to my dealer and ask to have it replaced or does it need to be damaged?
Something did happen on Sunday - I have no idea what! - that has caused some folks that difficulty when using IE. I believe that if you delete all cookies that have "edmunds" or "townhall" in their name that will fix the problem. If you are using autologin, deleting these cookies will turn it off, but it's easy enough to re-enable it.
You can either email me if you have further questions, or click here to go to a better place to discuss this problem.
Good luck - let me know what happens, and I'd really like to know what address you are using that is bouncing, and how you got there - we need to fix that.
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You were right. I deleted all my cookies and temporary files and now it's OK.
Thanks.
"The 3.5 DOHC has been thoroughly balanced and blueprinted internally. With better breathing through intake modifications including K&N filtration and a full Borla exhaust system handling the spent gasses, the Alero OSV produces more than 245 horsepower."
Actually, I was wondering what the email address was that was bouncing, and whether you got it from a link, or where. I'm concerned that somewhere we might have an email address that needs to be updated.
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