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Every time i get a longing for an intrigue again i read one of you guy's posts about suspension noises and I pop back into the reality of my intrigue ownership.Maybe in a couple of years i will buy a used one and figure that Moog will have come up with replacement parts that fix GM's OEM problems.
The Intrigue is dead, it was a flop from any point of view, has terrible resale and to top it all off it is an orphan brandwise and mechanically wise and consumers don't even want one at free financing with the 5/60 warranty. 3000 intrigues sold last month vs 17000 Impalas that tells you something. Get over it, the Intrigue is history after 2002.
Fact is, I like the Impala LS aside from the rear lights. I just don't appreciate Impala owners trashing the Intrigue, so I snip back.
It's all in good fun. Unfortunately your last post is bit mean spirited. Get up on the wrong side of be this morning?
If your Intrigue started to develop unfixable noises and problems, would you put up with it? Would you buy another one? Don't think so. The Intrigue has a very good engine/tranny combo, but the story ends there...the rest of the car is pretty much average from top to bottom. I dislike the Saturn inspired front end in the Intrigue, in an era where front end grills are the fashion thing.
I had a great night sleep and woke up on the usual side of the bed, how about yourself?
I still think the intrigue does some things better than the impala.
You have to admit though that there are certain suspension issues that may not be resolved with the car.
Teo was probably a little hard on you, but i don't think the impala comment was called for.
If you reread my post you will see that i might have a used intigue in my future. Just not now.
The midrange is where the DOHC comes alive.
b4z : I know you like the Intrigue. I think teo did overreact, not sure why. I just snipped back like I have done before. Sorry if you took it the wrong way. As I've said before I think the LS is a very decent sedan.
Let's Jive!
Bel air direct want to do a credit check before giving me a quote.
Direct protect web site is in errors when i tried to do online quotes, call their toll free # a few times, after pressing 1 for this , 5 for that..., heard a recording saying that they are too busy and suggested a visit to their site, then hung up.
These corporations are driving their customer and themselves nuts....
I can't believe how much trouble you are having.
PS: that was a sarcastic comment, cheer up!
I've been with the same company for about 5 years now so perhaps it came about after I started with them.
teo : Sometimes I wish they would just get rid of the boarder. It's more of a hassle than it's worth IMO. Someday it will happen I'm sure.
Last year checked auto insurance rates with a couple of insurance companies. Both asked my Social Security Number, and the inquires later appeared in my credit report. Just today called my bank for homeowner insurance quote (the bank sells insurance). They also asked my SSN and birthdate, as well as my wife's ones, explaining they need it to pull our credit reports.
The underlying idea: a strong correlation may exist between credit and accident rate. The person who have sloppy finances also drives less responsibly. On the other hand, a "perfectionist" makes less troubles in the both departments.
The idea had been proved about 5 years ago on a lot of real life statistical data by Fair-Isaac Company, developing and marketing credit score software and databases.
The opposite also must be true: car accidents can point to the risk of foreclosure and/or bancrupcy. However, the accidents and/or moving violations do not appear on the credit report. Yet.
The credit report agencies, as well as the Fair-Isaac, have a good additional income stream, caming from insurance industry. And a third income stream, from consumers, who are paying for the privilege to see their own credit reports and to fix errors.
By the way, did you check your credit report? There was 16 errors in mine, including 3 errors in my name, errors in my address and place of work. The credit report agency put me in other city, and reported that I still work in Russia - this is 5 years after emigrating.
Not sure, though, they are fixed even a half.
You might be paying more than you should do to an error. 6 of my dad's credit cards were on my report. They go by SSN first then address.
A guideline for scoring if you are buying a house is: Below 620-630 you will probably have to go FHA. And or pay a higher interest rate. Once you get to 700 you are good to go. Once you get to 720 the chances of you defaulting are almost 0.
They will let a self employed person who just opened his own business buy a house with a 720 score.
These scores will play a bigger and bigger part of our life over the next couple of years.
Let's Jive!"
You shouldn't be talking like that, man. You're gonna make me blow my whole paycheck next month! :-)
There shouldn't be any problems at 7000 miles but I'm confident that my previous experience will be repeated again.
No flames now. Just an observation.
I don't plan on giving up with the noise. It wasn't there before and it's easily heard. I'm going to run it by my brother (a mechanic) to see what he thinks it might be before I even ask the dealership to look at it.
I've been back SEVEN times for the whistling noise and have finally gotten someone interested in fixing that. I don't really care if the dealer service people roll their eyes when they see me anymore. I do not give up easily.
I see both points very easily when it comes to the Intrigue/Impala debate. I, for one, am glad to be driving Intrigue over Impala. For styling alone I would be. But with the 3.5 engine which was called "gloriously expensive" it's even more so. But I can't say that Intrigue was a success. It could've been. Calling it a flop is a bit extreme though.
I wouldn't do one unless it is absolutely necessary; but check your own as they do make mistakes.
One to one - if all you blow is one paycheck for all the stuffs, and most peopel get paid every two weeks, man, you must have a very good job!
I believe, they do not influence the scores. Looking for better insurance is not the same as looking for more loans. Probably, bargain shopping even reflect better financial responsibility. Just a common sense.
However, the FICo scoring algorithms being proprietary and confidential, I cannot know.
According to the info, it uses 30 companies for quote comparison; in my case, only six companies were shown. Price range from $1650 to $2500, relatively competitive but GM insurance is still the least expensive. Their phone quote and fax confirmation was responsive as well. Good price and good service = sales.
It has saved me a lot of money. I usually do a $1000 deductible.
On a side note, I hope to have MP3's/WMA's playing in the Intrigue by the end of the day. I have a Rio Volt and I'm installing an Aux-In adapter.
Lutz takes GM by storm
I'm all for it as long as cab forward doesn't come to GM. Maybe I actually will buy another GM in the future.
Lutz should be able to get GM back to its design excellence. I hope he doesn't cheapen them.
I expect only positives things from his tenure though.
The Olds dealer that did the repair switched to Honda since then, so I am wondering if the would honor a warranty on the previous fix.
It's really embarassing to have such a fine looking car sound so horrible upon startup (refering to thetime it takes to start).
All things said, I love the car, and have been a loyal follower of the Olds line since my first car @ 15. Unfortunately, I'm tired of poor build quality and terrible resale value (I was offered $8500 for my 99, at an Olds dealer, trading in for an Olds van none the less, NADA online even says $10500)
Sell it yourself.
i wouldn't buy the olds van. You will take another huge hit on appreciation.
They are offering you 1/3 of the car's original MSRP after three years of ownership. That is just plain scary.
As much as i loved my intrigue that is why i decided to take a step backwards in engine with the impala, but a couple of steps forward in interior room and resale.
I don't know about how much Lutz was responsible for that, but I just hope that the generous package that has characterized GM cars in the last 5 years isn't sacrificed.
RE : Insurance - My deductible is now C$500. Used to be $200, but it's cheaper to have it a little higher. Well worth the savings I think.
1way : Sounds like Mission Impossible. ;-)
darryl80 - Do you have the 3.8 or 3.5 engine? My '99 GL with the 3.5 uses about 1/2 quart every 3000 miles. 2 quarts seems pretty excessive. Also, from what I've read here the 3.8 should be consuming little to no oil.
b4z: As far as resale goes, I wouldn't be so quick to brag about Impala. Let's see what a 3-year-old Impala is worth in a year or two. Sure, it won't be as bad as Intrigue, just don't expect better than 50% of MSRP. It is still a Chevy and they still dump lots of them from rental places. I would guess a 2000 Impala with a $24,000 sticker price will be worth (after 3-years and 36,000 miles) about $12,000 at trade-in. $24,000 1999 Intrigue with 36,000 miles is at about $10,000 trade-in. That is not the car's fault; that's GM's fault for giving up on a 100-year-old company. We tried to trade in my wife's 2-year old 1997 Saturn (that stickered at $16,000) on the Intrigue in December 1998. Best offer was $8500. That's almost 50% depreciation in only a TWO YEAR OLD CAR with 24,000 miles! And Saturn is still in business. BTW, remember also that GM has given all of us unfortunate Olds owners an extra $1,000 off of our next GM purchase. I used mine on a 2001 Firebird Formula, so I have already effectively recouped $1,000 of the accelerated depreciation of the Intrigue.
The worst midsize American sedan for resale value has to be the Ford Taurus/Mercury Sable. The DCX LH cars fall somewhere in between but they are still lower than the GM counterparts.
GM is at fault for the astronomical depreciation of the Oldsmobile lineup, but also they failed in their attempts to make these cars more visible, better packaged, better priced and with bank vault reliability.
A year old used 2001 or 2002 Aurora 3.5L should be a palatable idea....big bucks depreciation.
The Impala is still a Chevy and there are plenty base sedans in rental and commercial fleets such as police and Taxi cabs. But the LS model has carved a niche for itself among retail buyers and the car is in serious demand, something that can't be said of the Intrigue or any Olds model in despite of the cheap financing and the 5/60 warranty.
Aurora is a slow car with the 3.5l. It does not accelerate as fast as my 98 Malibu (with 150hp 3.1l engine), and lags when cornering.
Both are beautiful cars IMO, and a bargain used.
Dindak: I like to use a soft toothbrush to remove any excess wax from places where I don't want it (the emblem, the Intrigue lettering and the Oldsmobile lettering and the cracks between the sheet metal and doors/trunk/hood. I don't believe it'd work with the black plastic on the bottom though. What I like to do is take a good wheel brush and scrub it clean with car wash soap. I do it once a month and it keeps it looking better. One thing I'd change about the exterior is that black plastic on the bottom. I wish it was body colored.
Has everyone seen how big Nissan's emblem is on their cars now? I'd like to follow and get me a big new bravada emblem and put it on the front of my car. It'd look very sharp.
my 2000 ford focus wagon lost 45% in just over one year; fortunately for me, most of that was points i earned from ford credit card usage.
"they all look like angry kitchen appliances!"
Heard that he and Wayne Cherry, head of GM design, are NOT getting long. An insider apparently told the press "they have thier good days and bad days, mostly bad".
...hey Wayne shut up and listen, you might learn something!
focus : Are you married? I know that drops the cost down. Something must be pushing your insurance up.
yurakm : I tested a 3.5L Aurora and thought it was just fine. Intrigue is probably a touch faster with the lower weight, but the Aurora is no slouch. I too would love to pick up a used one some day.