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  • michhalamichhala Posts: 375
    >I hope you won't be driving at 130 mph too often in your 320...
    >If Dennett is with you, they will pull over his >Magma Red before your Obsidian Black and you >will be fine.

    I have not driven above 115.....yet :)

    So, it's true what I've heard about red cars! I hope Dennett will be careful and not offend the Highway Patrol. I must tell Dennett my secret -- when stopped by an officer, if he lets some tears run down his cheek, he will not get a ticket.

    (Heard another rolling blackout >day in CA today... that's not good).

    I am served by the Dept of Water and Power, thank goodness, so we have not experienced any rolling blackouts so far. Affected were customers of
    Pacific Gas & Electric, Southern California Edison and San Diego Gas and Electric. I was surprised to hear that Beverly Hills and other communities that surround me had a rolling blackout today. It is completely unbelievable that people have to worry about an electricity shortage and all its ramifications IMHO!!! Imagine how the people caught in an elevator felt.

  • dennettdennett Posts: 332
    My house was hit by the rolling blackout today! All my clocks are off, and my landscape lighting is screwed up! I'll have to reprogram it all, oh well daylight savings time is coming as well. I'll try the tears thing if I get pulled over, the cop will probably think I'm some sort of crying moran and let me off! It may be worth it.
  • mb_a_mustmb_a_must Posts: 32
    I could never figure this one out. Why MB has so many first features and yet they still have brake pads that create excess dust. On my volkswagen I had my mechanic change out the front pads with a different brand that did not cause this dust. I'm sorry to say I forgot the brand. I did ask him if I should change the pads on the new MB and was told that they are not avaiable. He will keep an I eye out and let me know. And Yes they did work fine on the VW. Braking was excellent and no (very little) dust. As far as the cleaner goes I have had excellent results P21S and something by Mothers?
  • michhalamichhala Posts: 375
    Dennett -- Did you know about the blackout ahead of time? What a bummer to have to reprogram the lights. We are literally going back to the "Dark Ages" methinks.
  • jjsanijjsani Posts: 14
    FYI... I been having intermitted problems locking and unlocking my doors (C320), using the key.

    If you just point the key at the car and press the lock and walk away, assuming the car is locked, you may find it's not. You may think it's the battery in the key, but it's not.

    I've been experiencing this problem for about a week and went to the dealer yesterday to have the key checked. The outcome... there is a software problem that MB is working on to resolve this problem. The key looses it's memory !!

    I was told to resolve this problem for the short term, until a fix is available(in April) is to insert your key in and out of the ignition 10 consecutive times, this will reset the memory.

    I tried it and key will start working again(locking and unlocking the doors), but when they said short term, they meant it, it only worked 2 more times after that.
  • sshowittsshowitt Posts: 137
    Simply Green makes an aerosol foaming wheel cleaner that works very well. Spray it on and then use an old toothbrush to get at the rough spots, then rinse off. PS, don't put the toothbrush back in the bathroom tothbrush rack.
  • 4murphy4murphy Posts: 20
    Well, I think that MB has finally fixed my squealing brakes. It has been almost two months and 2000 miles and the brakes seem to be fine. What a relief.

    Yesterday, My daughter and I drove from Ann Arbor MI to South Bend to watch the U of M women play the Irish. The car handled absolutely beautifully. At one point we suddenly came upon stopped traffic. From 80 miles per hour to stopping,it was straight and quick. We were impressed. Given that I have been quite critical of this vehicle, I believe that it is only fair that I say something positive when things are OK.

    I am ordering a radar detector after I finish this message. I had real difficulty keeping the speed under 80 MPH. I haven't driven so fast in a long time. For the record, I haven't had any type of ticket in over 25 years. This car may change that if I don't get a radar detector.

    My daughter has agreed to take the car off my hands since I have been so unhappy with it, but her price is quite low. In addition, she wants the paint chips fixed. I am afraid to look at the hood after driving 380 miles yesterday. MB does need a better paint solution.
  • djasonwdjasonw Posts: 624
    I've owned a 2000 C280 for a little over one year and now have a 2001 C320. I put a little over 25k on the 2000 and have never had ONE chip. I consistently travel on the highway at 80 or better sometimes. Now after 2000 miles I have checked the front end of my C320 (which also goes 80 or so on the highway). Still no chips yet. I DO believe you but I think it is not as pervasive as you seem to believe.
  • drew_drew_ Posts: 3,382

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  • drew_drew_ Posts: 3,382

    The C-class was the best in class, beating the former leader, the BMW 3-series, and even the all new Volvo S60. No doubt a very impressive performance. Note that the windshield did not even crack. All of the intrusion figures were an astounding 3 centimetres or less!! This is significantly less than just about anything the Volvo S60 or BMW 3-series managed. The details are here:

    Please watch tonight's Dateline NBC for the crash test footage. What a perfect topic to discuss in tonight's MB chat! :-)

  • cticctic Posts: 291
    The only wheel cleaner that has EVER worked for me is Meguiar's (which I bought as a 2 pack in Costco recently). Every other single other wheel cleaner I've had to get down on my hands and knees and wipe off. Though my nephew does swear by Simple Green.
  • sleakesleake Posts: 47
    I too have been experiencing problems with my key. It fails to lock or unlock the door roughly one in five times. It seems completely random. After a failure, (requiring me to pull out my second key), it will inevitably work the very next time I use it. No hocus pocus such as inserting it into the door 10 times in a row, is necessary in order to get it to do so. In fact, if I have the time to stand there and persistently press the button over and over, it WILL eventually work. Consequently, I don't believe that it has lost it's programning. It's more like it's not consistently transmitting a signal.
  • Does anyone know when this car will be available in the U.S.?
  • zmeenowzmeenow Posts: 341
    anyone see the review on the new 2002 4 cylander coup???..looks intersting!
  • michhalamichhala Posts: 375
    I researched this non-abrasive cleaner polish-protector that polishes to "Wet Look" shine and locks into the paint, seals and protects with an elastic non-chip, shrink-proof, heat and scratch resistant acrylic finish.

    I spoke to the importer today, and he confirmed that the product is used instead of wax, not in addition to it. Klasse bonds to surface of paint, but does not creep into the paint as does polymer (I don't know which products contain polymer). Evidently, polymer penetrates the paint and causes it to oxidize. It also contains silicone over which you cannot paint.

    I like a perfect looking car, but I feel the much acclaimed Zaino process will not work for me. How can I have someone come to my home to detail my car, give him all the different bottles, and have him wait for all the coats to dry?

    I was so delighted with the Klasse -- I had the car washed at the "hand" car wash, then came home and put on the Klasse in 10-15 minutes, and there is no drying time. There is also a high-gloss sealant glaze, but if my car was any shinier it would blind oncoming drivers.

    All this is probably old info to most of you, but 'tis new to me.

  • djasonwdjasonw Posts: 624

    I'd have to agree with you. I am reluctant to using Zaino because I don't like putting polymers on my paint. I prefer a high quality easy to apply wax. Never heard of KLASSE. Where can I find their products?
  • drew_drew_ Posts: 3,382
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  • sirus32sirus32 Posts: 55
    Today I received a quote from my dealer. Here's how the numbers break out:
    240c MSRP w/options - 37,305.00
    Money factor - .00455 (seems rather high)
    Term - 36months
    Millage - 12k year
    Residual - 70%
    Money down - just fees and tag
    Payment - $572.93 w/o tax

    I noticed a previous post describing a money factor of .00375. Wow, that would lower my payment $50. With rates dropping, I challenged the finance manager on the rate quoted. I told him I knew someone who was quoted a lease rate of .00375.

    He said, Oh? Then preceded to say he didn't know my "credit rating" yet. Once my application was submitted, then the "real" rate would be avialble.

    Hmmmmm, I wonder what I might have paid if I didn't say anything.
  • diwc240diwc240 Posts: 172
    Erich, that is crazy. He partly covered his (CYA) butt on the statement of your credit rating.
    But a couple of us got 9 % in early Feb. Give it another week after today's 0.50 rate cut and MBCC will adjust their MF lower, it takes MBCC about 5 business days to adjust their rate after the Fed. based on my dealings with my Salesman.
  • michhalamichhala Posts: 375
    djasonw -- You do have a way with words!! :)

    Klasse is not available in the usual places, but out here it is carried by some MB and BMW parts/accessories dept.

    Below is a car detail website out of Tampa. They carry Klasse All-In-One, as well as other brands. (Klasse also makes wheel cleaner, but with the All-In-One methinks it is not needed).

    Actually, I applied the Klasse one day after I had the car washed. I dusted it off lightly with the California Duster. With a cavalier attitude, I poured Klasse on a damp towel, a section at a time, did not bother to do large circles as advised, wiped it off with no particular skill -- and it looked beautiful.

    (click on the Wax link)

    There is an 800 number given, but if you need the name and phone number of the importer in San Francisco, let me know.


  • michhalamichhala Posts: 375
    >Actually, I applied the Klasse one day after I >had the car washed.


    Actually, I am having a blonde moment (or two) here. I did NOT wash the car at that time. We had a lot of rain; I had not had a chance to wash the car, and there were rainspots. The car was going to a basketball game and I wanted her to look good. I did dust first with the California Duster, but applied Klasse to remove the water spots and just kept on going and going and going..... and that's my story on how the entire car got Klasse'd

  • drew_drew_ Posts: 3,382
    No doubt just about all of you have seen the C-class's very impressive performance in tonight's Dateline NBC coverage of the IIHS 40mph offset crash test.

    This is how MB responded to the test:
    "We are very pleased with the results of the new C-Class and E-Class in the recent high-speed crash test by the IIHS. It’s very important to our customers and to us. However, we need to emphasize that safety is defined by more than good results in one or two important crash tests at a certain speed. Our goal during the development of the new C-Class was to achieve maximum overall safety in a wide range of collision scenarios.

    Our key to further increasing vehicle safety is a comprehensive approach called “The Mercedes-Benz Real; Life Safety Concept.” This involves developing cars for good overall performance in crash safety over a wide range of configurations, based on experience from real-world accident scenes. It also includes the integration of highly sophisticated warning and assistance systems for drivers, which can minimize the risk and severity of accidents as much as possible.

    As a followup to our discussion, please be aware that occupant safety is our first priority in designing all Mercedes-Benz passenger vehicles. For that reason, the C-Class performed outstandingly well in a recent IIHS offset crash test at 40 miles per hour and, as a result, they are likely to designate the car a “Best Pick.” However, occupant safety would be compromised by reducing the repair cost of the C-Class bumper."

    The last line is a bunch of baloney though, and I don't buy it because the Canadian C-class gets 5 mph (8 km/hr) bumpers as per Transport Canada regulations. Does this mean that the Canadian C's are less safe? C'mon!

    As an aside, here's something about the IIHS's 40mph offset test. Since it's at a higher speed and at a smaller impact area (40% of the car's front end) than the US NCAP 30 mph full frontal fixed non-deformable barrier test, there is a 78% increase in impact energy.

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  • drew_drew_ Posts: 3,382
    It's life though and can happen! Don't worry, they (the dummies) are only made of sensors, metal alloys, and vinyl :-) Although they approximate some human motion, they bounce right back after the crash. Just be glad that it's them and not you in there doing the crash testing! How do you think they got the injury numbers from which to build and base the dummies on? That's right...human/cadaver testing.

    At least now you know that you're in an extremely safe car and that you will be well protected in the event that some wacko plows into you. I applaud you for trying to find out more information about the head restraints. Most people wouldn't know/wouldn't really care.

    Good luck and drive carefully!
    P.S Open the door and have a look at the C-class's door latch (not on the door itself, but the part that is attached to the body of the car. Next, compare it to another vehicle's (non-MB). The differences will be readily apparent. The reason for the MB's patented wedge shaped door latch design is to prevent a door from opening in a crash. Oh was invented decades ago ;-)
  • michhalamichhala Posts: 375
    Drew -- I felt my post was silly and I deleted it, but you had already replied :)

    This past year, I witnessed a very bad crash -- I stopped to let a car make a left turn on a six-lane street. She had been trying to make the turn and no one stopped to let her do so. As she made her turn, a car zoomed up the inside lane of opposite direction and they smashed. It was very bad. I remember how long it took for her body to stop bouncing back and forth between the seatback and the steering wheel. There were no airbags. If I had not stopped to let her make her turn it would not have happened. As you said, it is life. A chance second can make a difference.

    It is indeed good to know I am in a safe car. I am thinking how unimportant a few paint chips are in comparison.

    Thank you for your kind words.

  • sirus32sirus32 Posts: 55

    That's what I thought.

    The finance manager also said MBCC charges higher rates in different regions(Midwest). Is that true? Or, is the dealer charging the highest rate and pocketing the difference?

    If I can't get 9% with an excellent credit rating, what should I do?
  • tariktarik Posts: 344
    I couldn't agree more with your concern regarding the correct positioning of head restraints.

    In European driving school, the first thing you do after getting into the car is seat adjustment (including head rests) and mirror settings. Where I live (South Carolina), there is almost no such thing as driver's ed, and the license costs you $14.50 without any proof of driver's ed hours or such. Obviously, people here (and worse, the legislation, too) sacrifice driver safety to the all important comfort and life style.

    Head rests shouldn't be called that any more, because less bright people (do those exist???) could read that as "place to rest their head comfortably while dozing away". Most drivers in my area have them set to a height which will make them snap their necks upon rear impact. Sometimes I wonder whether you can even get them adjusted high enough on cars like Fords, Buicks () and so on... acquaintance, who rode with me once, insisted on REMOVING the whole thing because it felt "uncomfortable touching his scalp"! No driving with me any more for him...

    Thanks for letting me rant, but do never get discouraged in your quest to make driving safer, even if it sometimes feels you're all alone out there.

  • djasonwdjasonw Posts: 624
    After watching last evening's Dateline I was amazed at how well the passenger compartment held up after that crash. I wonder how well the car will be in a side impact? Has that type of test on this car been conducted yet? All I can tell you is that I feel SO safe driving this car. I have NEVER been in an accident but at least I know I have a car that will protect me in the event I do.
  • diwc240diwc240 Posts: 172
    Erich, just looked back at Post #1123 and elmb also was in NJ. You are in Minnesota right? There must be more than one MB Dealer in Bloomington ? I would check with a 2nd dealer. Maybe he is correct in saying MBCC charges higher rates in the Midwest, but with the prime interest rate now = 8 % (down 0.5 yesterday) (check, 10.9 % sounds too high. You could also lease thru someone else. I had Chase Finance as my last leasing company.
  • sargent4sargent4 Posts: 17
    I found this board by accident and am not sure you like or dislike this car. Anyway I am suppose to pick up a Brillant Grey in Paramus on Fri. Think I am getting .00388. My GS300 is not due until April - should I wait and see if I get it lower? Salesman said if I wait until April the residual may go up and I will be paying more?
    Feel very dumb about this. Do you like the c320.
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