2005 and Earlier Chevrolet Impala

[Deleted User]

You got that right!
I just usually don't bother with the oil, 'cause it's so cheap and fast elsewhere.
This weekend, I'm replacing the shocks. Unlike the Impala, or just about any other normal car, this particular car has SIX! (And, the four in the rear or coil-overs, like struts, so I gotta rent a spring compressor.

yurakm

Of course, I can service my car at any shop, would it be Chevrolet dealership, Ford, or Firestone - when this is not under GM warranty.

Probably, all GM dealers honor extended GM warranties for all GM makes. I did not check. They honor third-party, aftermarket warranties.

However, this is another story with the initial 36/36 warranty for new cars. I e-mailed GM, asking if I can do warranty repairs at Chevrolet. They answered that two conditions must be met:

1. the car was bought used at that Chevrolet, with balance of warranty, and,

2. the Chevrolet dealer wants to perform the work.

This is GM policy.

I asked again at the Chevrolet dealership, to be sure, and they confirmed the GM policy. I bought my Buick at Buick and must do warranty repairs at Buicks.

On the other hand, every Buick dealer must honor GM warranty for new Buicks, Chevrolet dealer - for Chevrolet, etc. Not only the dealer where I bought the car. Just had no time to for other Buick dealerships around.

impalad

My Impala is the 1st car I don't change her blood myself. Walmart changes my oil. I pay extra to get Mobil 1 synthetic. They're so inexpensive it beats worrying about disposal doing it myself. While waiting around last time, I bought the wiper blades & they went ahead & put them on. I wasn't pleased about results from an inspection I had them do though. They failed the Imp saying my rear window tint is 5% (illegal in Missouri) which I know for a fact is not. I went around the corner to Amaco & they passed it mentioning to get the brakes done soon (didn't mention anything about tint.)
Dealers are cool to an extent. Service Dept @ Weber here in St. Louis told me the service bulletin about the ISS & that they are not replacing it, just lubing it w/ the $10 kit. My car is not warrantied any longer so labor would be $130. That's still better than private shops that I called; they charge by hour which would've been over $200. I'll call a couple steering specialists before I get it done though.
I totally avoid the salemen at Weber. They play number games so well that you would pay them to trade in your car!! When I test drove a new 2002 LS, he didn't tell me anything about features or anything about the car. Lazy, old vultures, ALL OF THEM! The parts guy @ Feld Chevrolet is awesome though. He gives me discounts. :-D

impalals2002

Did some work to my impala. check it out here http://www.mcsystems.net/impala

hunter39

No way you should have to pay for further lube jobs for that ISS, it's their design flaw and mistake, they know it and you shouldn't have to pay for it the rest of your life. I'd call GM customer service even though you're out of warranty, tell them they should honor the lube for no charge or replace your ISS no charge. More opportunity for them to get away with crap like that. I'd be madder than a wet hen if they told me I had to pay for it forever. Mine started making the noise at 3k miles, dang near right out of the lot for crying out loud! When I go back to get it lubed again they will be hearing plenty if they tell me I have to pay.

BTW, I've never seen a wet hen, so I really don't know how mad they get, but judging from the saying, it must be a sight!

jeffreyw1

I enjoy changing the oil myself. Changing oil and other fluids of the car is really not that difficult. It gives me peace of mind to know that the job was completed correctly. I have heard horror stories of having the oil changed at a nearby Waltonmart. The only places I could get my oil changed on a Saturday is usually around 32 miles away or more. The dealerships in my state do not stay open on the weekends. It's really not that big of a deal whether one does the oil change themselves or one has it changed by someone else. It all comes down to the environment in which we live in. Everyone has their own preference. What my be convenient to one may not be to another. May all enjoy the upkeep of their Impala. We do have a great car that is solid.

garnes

I do the oil at home as well. It really is easy. Just get some good ramps and big 15 qt pan. I use the M1 as well.

Those "jiffy" places are a nightmare. You wait forever to get in, and then the goobers want to get in your car and touch stuff and grease it all up. And then there are those oil filters. The local "Indy Lube" used "Service Champ" filters. What the hell is a "service champ". Never heard of them.

I use the M1 filter as well. It's expensive, but the loaded up LS was too, and I want that thing running like new after any amount of miles.

So far the 2001 LS is going great. Still love the thing.

lrcobra

I just put on a set of Bridgestone tires on the Impala. The dealer I got them from says there is a 30 day try out deal on them. If we don't like them he will take them back and change brands free of charge.(of course you will pay for the tires of choice though) I will let you know if I like them in a few days.
LRCobra

yurakm

What model are these Bridgestone tires? 950?

talenthunter

Here is one to look out for, primarily because it sneaks up on you. First sign of trouble was no cooling coming from the A/C vents, compressor clutch not cycling. A day later while in a stop and go situation on the freeway (after having driven over ten miles without incident) the temp gauge starts rising rapidly, hits redline after a minute and then the coolant alarm goes off. Gurgling could be heard in the engine compartment forward of the passenger side. Called Onstar and asked if the vehicle could be diagnosed, to decide whether to pull over or try to get off the freeway. Onstar says, sorry, can't read your engine fault codes, apparent technical problem. After sitting on the side of the freeway waiting for a tow truck to show up (Chevy Roadside Assistance gets poor marks, more on that later), we decide to start the engine and see where things stand. Maybe we can see something under the hood. We start the engine and the temp gauge swings up to about midway, where you want it to be. So we decide to get the hell out of there before there is an accident. We drive all the way back to the dealership (about 7 miles) and the temp gauge is oscillating around the midpoint, with small swings. While waiting to do a U turn to enter the dealer's service bay (maybe a minute or so), the temp gauge starts to rise again and is headed toward redline by the time we pull up to the ticket writer booth.

The diagnosis involved looking at the obvious spots (electric fan, a/c compressor, coolant level, etc.). Everything was normal. The PCM (powertrain control module) was checked and tested OK. Finally, an open circuit was found in the BCM (body control module), which is located beneath the dash on the left side I think. The BCM is written up in typical GM-ese in Volume 3 of the service manual. It does not appear to have an direct connection to the engine fan or a/c, but evidently it does, via a serial datalink that is described in vague terms.

Anyway, I thought I would relate this experience in case our BCM failure is not out of the ordinary.

Oh yeah, I almost forgot. Chevy Roadside Assistance. When we asked Onstar to arrange a tow, they called Roadside Assistance, who then called AAA, our insurance carrier, to get us a tow truck. I mistakenly thought we had some towing coverage with the Roadside Assistance but apparently they just refer your need to your insurance company. Well, a tow truck did show up after awhile and this one had a big hook on the back. The guy driving the truck stuck his head in the window on the passenger side and says that he's sorry but there are no flatbeds available. I took one look at the hook and said no way was I going to let that thing get under the front of the car, what with the plastic protruding down there, not to mention the infamous engine cradle. So I call Onstar and they contact Roadside Assistance who then contacts the AAA dispatcher and we conference. I tell them I want a flatbed and they say, sorry, but there are none available. Sigh. OK, I said, why don't you keep looking. In reply the Chevy Assistance person says, do you have a cell number that I can use to reach you? I think, what's wrong with reaching me via Onstar? But, reluctantly I give them the Personal Calling number. A few minutes later I am getting calls from Roadside Assistance (on my nickel) apprising me of the situation. That's when we decided that maybe we could limp out of there without further "assistance." To Onstar's credit their Personal Calling division refunded us the minutes that were burned up after three or four calls from Roadside Assistance. When we were about 2 miles from the dealship, a flatbed somehow materialized and was said to be en route to where we were supposed to be on the freeway. Of course, we said thank you, but no thanks. Do you want us to stay with you the rest of the way to the dealership, they asked? No, we replied, we'll be OK.

How's that for a story.

hvan3

What exactly does a BCM do to the car?

talenthunter

From page 8-558 of vol 3, Imp Service 2001 service manual. <<The Body Control Module performs multiple body control functions. The BCM can control devices connected to its outputs based on input information obtained from two sources: sensors and switches that are directly connected to the BCM and by receiving information from other vehicle systems connected to the class 2 serial data link.>> Now here are some of the functions the BCM controls. Note: there must be more functions controlled by this thing since it somehow was responsible for killing the engine fan and a/c compressor operation on our car. Anyhow, ... it controls <<audible warnings, interior lighting, automatic door locks, automatic headlamp control, keyless entry, passlock theft deterrent, content theft deterrent and retained accessory power>> (which I gather is this business of keeping things powered after the engine is shut off, e.g., the radio continues to play.) I think the mysterious part of this thing is the data link and the signals that are put on that link (I would call it a bus). I haven't had time to dig into that yet.

lrcobra

I got to try out the new tires today On the 4 lane highway I had it up to @85 and the noise level was a lot better than the goodyears were. Handling is superb and in the rain I thought they did very well also.
they are Bridgestone Evicta SL tires and on my first round with them I have to give them a high rating(may change as they wear though?) Just wanted to put in my two cents.
LRCOBRA

teo

"compressor clutch not cycling"
Not to nitpick, but the Impala comes equipped with a Harrison V5 "Clutchless" A/C Compressor. The H5 compressor is of the "Variable Displacement" type. What that means is that the 5 piston H5 compressor automatically adjusts displacement to match the vehicle's air conditioning demand. A control valve in the compressor senses evaporator load and automatically changes displacement to match that load.

As to your BCM module...well unfortunately you got a bad one, but it doesn't mean all Impalas or GM W-body sedans that happen to share this part will all crap out at 9K miles. Your dealer appears to be very good as they were able to troubleshoot the open circuit in the BCM right away without going into replacing parts randomly.

What's the build date of your car?

BTW, thanks for sharing the information.

(2001 Impala LS 11K miles, not a single problem, still going strong)

crosley4

the A/C compressor does have a clutch on it. The clutch is energized when the "A/C" button is pushed. then the varible output compressor runs full time.

The clutch is not cycled on & off like the olden days where you would feel the compressor come on with a slight jerky feel of the car.

The compressor clutch is turned off when the throttle is near WOT to provide full power for acceleration.

Although we no longer own our 2k Impala I still read the posts from you folks.

Still miss the car too, not the cradle noise though. ((-;

Tony

johnclineii

What did you get to replace the Impala? Are you happy with it? Do you miss anything--good OR bad--other than the cradle noise?

night_owl1

Matt and 00Impala, can you check out the new article and see if I missed anything.

http://www.impalahq.com/

crosley4

We replaced our 2k LS with a Ford F150 Super Crew truck, so we miss the fuel mileage on the Impala. We miss the heated seats too, even living in the valley of the sun in Arizona.

Our Impala was one of the few that the cradle noise would not stop completely on. GM(at their expense) replaced the aluminum cradle on our car at 43,000 miles and the noise returned at just over 46,000 miles. We traded the Impala off before it hit 46,500 miles. Our car just missed the Arizona lemon law by little over 4,000 miles.

The Impala has a better crash rating than the Ford truck. The Ford has a CD changer and better sound quality than the Impala(our Imp had the early trunk amp).

My wife and I carpool and the one direction is 36-37 miles.

We are quite happy with the Ford(my first new Ford ever). My wife feels the Ford is easier to park than the 2k Silverado xtra cab truck we have. No typo there, we own a Ford and a Chevy truck.

We watch the Impala's to see what changes GM makes to them. If rumours come true and GM brings the Holden RWD platform cars up from Australia I will take a long look at them.

IMHO the Impala does not perform as welll as the Ford RWD cars in the police/taxi arena. I know the police dept's are using the Impala, but I wonder about long term durablity. I witnessed a Crown Vic police car jumping a square type curb last week to get around a traffic jam with his gumball lights flashing.

Having been a mechanic for decades I know the FWD platform will not take the abuse like curb jumping as well as the RWD full frame car will.

Time will tell I guess.

johnclineii

Interesting you should say that!

I am currently considering what to do with my 2ooo Impala LS with 8ok+ miles on it. The only cars I am seriously considering are the 2oo3 Crown Vic LX Sport and another Impala. I drove a 2oo2 CV LX Sport and was totally unimpressed:

*The steering is way too loose and difficult to control--I am told the recirculating ball system is out for next year--with a new, tighter rack and pinion coming.

*The car was MUCH nosier than the Impala, mostly wind noise!

*The car was not larger inside (though the trunk certainly was), while being much larger and harder to drive, or so it seemed.

*I was also totally unimpressed with the brakes. The Impala stops much more surely.

*The car will not fit my assigned covered space at my condo, while my Impala will. If I buy a Vic I will have to park it in an open area.

Still deciding. I am also looking at a Marauder, but doubt I want a black car. I prefer white.

The 2oo3 will be out later this year, but the LX Sport has been delayed according to http://www.crownvic.net and http://www.blueovalnews.com

talenthunter

Our 2001 Imp was built in March 01.

The BCM does indeed interface with the HVAC systems, as can be seen on page 8-539, vol 3 and page 1-119, vol 1 of the service manual. The latter is the HVAC schematic. It shows that the Powertrain Control Module (PCM) energizes the A/C compressor clutch relay. The clutch itself is also shown on the diagram, so Crosley is correct about there being a clutch on the compressor. In fact, the PCM monitors the high side refrigerant pressure and does not allow the clutch to engage when the pressure is too high or too low. The BCM communicates with the PCM via the serial data link. It is not clear to me what is the role of the BCM in all of this, nor is it clear how the BCM interfaces with the electric fans in front of the engine. However, there are four pages of diagnostic steps in the manual entitled HVAC Compressor Clutch Does Not Engage. If you get to Step 33, you are told to replace the BCM. So, discovering that the BCM was bad should have been fairly straightforward for the dealer's technician, considering taht we told them the clutch wasn't working when we handed over the car for service.

What I learned from this experience is that: (1) the BCM is a very important part that controls or is involved in the control of many of the vehicle's functions; (2) the BCM can fail in ways that are not immediately obvious as to cause; and (3) Onstar's ability to remotely diagnose problems may be precluded by a failed BCM. With regard to the latter, we have decided that we shall periodically verify Onstar's ability to geolocate our vehicle and read system health codes.

If you want to take a peek at the BCM on your own car, just pop off the plastic cover beneath your dash board, just above the footwell on the driver side. The BCM is the little box toward the left with the blue connectors plugged into its back side. The list on this beauty is $186.

crosley4

some former neighbors have a 3 year old crown vic as I recall. He did not care for the brakes and the ride too much. his wife sure liked it though.

You are correct about the impala ride and handling. The car drives well. Our 2k Imp was the first FWD car we had owned since 1981. Being a mechanic and working on FWD cars i would never own one till my wife fell in love with the Impala LS that we bought in 1999.

If GM gets the cradle issue fully solved(in my eyes) and some styling changes are done that we like then I may own another Impala. The car is an excellant value for the money spent IMHO

GM is talking about different engine families coming on line too. If the 3.8 engine is dropped then I would rethink another Impala purchase. The old tech 3.8 has a dang good track record of durability and fuel mileage.

yurakm

Did not find Bridgestone Evicta SL tires neither on Tirerack.com, nor on Firestone-Bridgestone.com

lrcobra

I will look again but I am sure that is what is in the raised black lettering on the tires. Let you know later today.
LRCOBRA

johnclineii

My 1995 OLDS LSS came with GOODYEAR INvicta GL tires. Could that be those? By the way, that is close to the bottom of the Goodyear line.

Could they be Bridgestone Insignia SL? Those are, IMHO, superior in design and construction to the Goodyear Invicta, by the way.

teo

The main advantages of the Ford Crown Victoria are essentially V8,RWD, and a bigger trunk. The bolt on frame construction does not make the car any stiffer or more solid than the unit body construction in the Impala. The only positive of bolt on frame construction is that it is easy to repair at the body shop than try to set a an unit body frame straight again.

This car has been manufactured almost unchanged (Save for a 1992 re-skin)by Ford since 1979 so indeed most of its bugs have surely been worked out by now. The Crown Victoria is indeed Ford's most reliable product but if you follow the performance of these things in Police dept fleets, they tend to be more problematic than comparable Chevy Caprice cruisers, which by the way most police officers prefer over the CV's.

When I went to Washington D.C. last year, I took a cab ride from Dulles airport to D.C. on a fairly new Mercury Grand Marquis car. Barf, what an ugly, noisy and generally old looking car. I felt right back in the Disco era riding in the back of that thing. The interior is almost the same size or smaller than the Impala's. Legroom for front and back passengers is almost the same. The only difference is that you get an inch or so more of shoulder room.

The dashboard is ugly, the car squeaked and rattled severely on fairly smooth highway, the door panels felt flimsy and the suspension bounced more like a little boat in the ocean during a bad storm.

This car is huge for nothing. Other than the space needed to fit the V8 and the bigger trunk (21 cubic feet vs. 18 cubic feet in the Impala)this is just more hassle to drive and park in tight spaces.

If the CV or GM makes your juices flow with an ancient platform, squeaks and rattles, poor handling, ugly interior, marginal space advantages, huge exterior dimensions and Taxi cab looks, go for it. If you long for John Travolta, polyester and Disco music, this car is for you.

The Marauder looks tempting on paper but something tells me this car it ain't all that Ford is promising. Autoweek magazine showed the Marauder convertible concept (2 door) and the car looks like a 1981 Dodge Aries K. Aghhhh.

I guess I am too young for these old fart mobiles.

lrcobra

I was wrong they ARE Insignia SL Bridgestone tires. Sorry for the misread.
LRCobra

shrubs

Does the compressor kick on when the defrost is on? I know some newer cars do this to dry the air.

Forrest

yurakm

Thank you!

johnclineii

Yep, the AC runs in defrost mode as long as it is at least 36 degrees Fahrenheit outside, or so my service advisor advises!

mediumfry

The only time I take my car to a dealer is to get warranty or recall work done. I haven't had good luck with those guys. Lots of money and not much for satisfaction. Too bad. Local shops are a little better.

I do everything to my car except transmissions and air conditioning. Brakes are a snap. Soon I'll have A/C tools and maybe a tranny setup as well.

I wish they had a "no warranty" option that saved a couple grand.

crosley4

I don't 'think' the full frame car is tougher than a unibody car, I know it is from 3+ decades of mechanicing on these iron automobiles.

I am talking real world experience, not reading an article written by someone sitting at a desk that was listening to an engineer yapping about numbers.

The comparison I was making is in the rough and tumble driving seen by police type vehicles.

The FWD cars suspensions (front and rear) is quite a bit weaker than the frame type cars.

I would hardly consider a ride in a cab an indication of the quality of any automobile. Cab companies would do zero reapir/maintenance work on the cars if not forced to by some state laws.

tonyj33

The Impala though not RWD is still the superior car. The Vic's V-8 is a testiment to ford's building abillity, lots of talk but not much action. In other words their 4.6L V-8 only musters out a messly 20 more horse power than Impala's V-6, Ford's 4.6 puts out quite a bit more torque but the MPG takes a real hit. Real world Vic is around 18-19 combined (Trust me on this I have good friends who own both cars and have ridden in and driven quite a bit)anyways the Impala averages about 22-24 real world the later being on a more normal relaxed driving style. also the Impala's suspention is newer i guess you could say it doesn't provide that wonderfully 60's boat ride that the Vic unfortuanly pulls of so brillantly. The transmissions also go to the impala GM's 4 speeds are superior to Fords crisper up shifts and they don't go hunting for gears on huge hills. The only thing the Vic has going for it is its large wheel base and exerior dementions, ( I happen to like large cars) but the interior is like said perviously in these post not much bigger, actually it's really no bigger. and the Impala's option list is much better at least quality wise, especialy in the leather department, the interior materials are a higher quallity in the impala's though not great they do out rank the fords. and the sound system is way better in the impala, and really the impala is a superior choice even though (inspite of) the fact that it is FWD and a V-6

regulator75

Hey all, it has been months since my last post. How is everyone doing? 2001 LS Navy Blue/Fully loaded and just under 15,000 KM.

So there we were driving back into Alberta from Montana (1600km in total) (little road trip) I was driving on a secondary highway at night (very dark) When all of the sudden the whole right side of the road went black. We finally get to the border to have a look at the burnt out High-Beam. Hmmm, the highbeam bulb itself has shattered. Nothing hit our car, the plastic dome around the headlights were intact. The bulb had just shattered after 45 minutes of on and off usage. I never really had to use my high beams regularly (city living) until this trip. I spoke to GM directly and they said that they have never heard of this before. The same was said by our GM dealership. I took pictures of the shattered glass on the inside of the headlight case. My dealership replaced the bulb in 20 minutes. It was just a very odd thing to happen, especially in the middle of no-where.
Safety was my number one priority.

So in closing, has this happened to any of you guys or gals?

nosirrahg

For those of you who have developed Impala-related web pages, has anyone considered adding a page as a "spotters guide" that shows the distinctions between a base model, vs. a 3.8l base, vs. an LS? Or the differences between the 2000s and the '01s or '02s? I remember us talking about telling if a base model had the 3.8 engine or not by looking at the muffler once; little things like that might be worthy of passing down to others here.

teo

I am for that as well.

night_owl1

I'll host one, but I don't have the data.

Part of the difficulty is that Chevy did some mid-year changes and there are some differences between the USA and Canada versions. You can get some LS options on a base model and vice versa. Not to mention, TSBs can really mess things up also.

General:
Base: Bench seat, hub caps or base rims.
LS: "LS" added to badge on trunk, "Impala" badge on doors (but I believe I have seen them on base Impalas), fog lights, rear spoiler (can be deleted), LS rims, center console with buckets, dual zone AC.

'00: Indent in rear wheelhouse inner fender (TSB can change that), body colored license plate area, fixed back rear seat on base with standard cloth, OnStar optional on all models.

'01: Revised wheelhouse fender, grey trim around license plate area, OnStar standard on LS, front bench is an option in late '01, rim of headlight assembly painted black in late '01 (so I have been led to believe. I have not seen a '01 with this)

'02: Revised wheelhouse fender, grey trim around license plate area, OnStar standard on LS, front bench is an option, rim of headlight painted black, dual zone AC is standard on all lines.

Other than the black paint around the headlights, it would be really hard to tell the difference between a '01 and '02.

I don't know how to from the exterior if a base has the 3800 engine.

[Deleted User]

Bulbs shatter. Spit happens. It may have been defective. Or, one of the assembly technicians at the plant may have touched the glass. When the oils from his/her finger heat up on the surface of the glass, they can cause it to shatter.
Personally, I would have went to the auto parts store, and sprung for the $8.99 for a new bulb. My time is worth much more than that.
I can't see wasting time at the dealer convincing them to replace a $9 expendable item. (Unless of course I was there having other more serious work done, like wiper blade replacement.)

[Deleted User]

The Crown Vic's leather is inferior to the Impala's? What are they using, possum skin?

teo

"(Unless of course I was there having other more serious work done, like wiper blade replacement.)"

Chin, chin, the sarcasm hour has begun!

teo

Also the LS "Running board" trim piece underneath the doors (Runs between the front and rear wheel wells) is painted as where as in the base sedan is black plastic, unpainted.

According to the 2002 Impala sales brochure, now you can get the front bench seat option with column mounted shifter on the LS models. I have yet to see one configured like that from factory.

tpken

Teo - I've spotted two of these on dealer lots recently. Not what I'd get but it sure does put the LS into the arena for anyone with a need to occasionally haul 5 other passengers. Still classy looking inside too but I'd just prefer the console and floor shifter.

Ken

nosirrahg

I know for the '00 models, the base Impala logo on the trucklid is chrome, whereas it (along with the door emblems) is body color on the LS. Base '00 models have hubcaps, base w/3.8l come with a multi-spoke alloy wheel, and the LS came with the 5-bladed wheel. There was a difference in the muffler between the 3.4l and 3.8l cars; one was silver, the other black.

Cup holders on the front bench changed from '00 to '01 ('00 flip out of the arm rest; '01 are built in).

Don't know about '01 vs. '02; the reason I bought the car I did (loaded base) was because I wanted the 3.8 engine AND a front bench; guess I could have waited a couple of years and gotten an LS with the bench, but who knew? (Plus, I wouldn't have made the 2001 brochure, so maybe it was fate!)

00impala

2000 Impala Base model with the Hubcaps and it was "Medium Auburn Nightmist" I was kind of nice... I liked it... I looked better on an Impala than as I have previously seen it on Regals/Centurys' and Grand Am's.... Don

tonyj33

tonyj33

have you ever sat in a benz or a caddy or a BMW their leather is far superior to the chevys and fords and dodges of the world, i don't know how they make it better they just do. the leather in the impala seems nicer, softer and stronger than in the Vics. and who knows it's ford they might use rat skin.

teo

No, they use Hen skin

[Deleted User]

The leather in a MB or BMW is better than a Ford or Chevy???????
I'm shocked! Shocked, I say!

I'm surprised the Germans have any leather left at all after making all those jack boots.

Doesn't Mercedes use a vinyl product that they call Ambla, in place of leather on many of their cars? (Sounds better than saying "vinyl".)

hunter39

The biggest difference or I should say way to tell a base from an LS, the tires... Base comes with Uniroyal Tiger Paws, LS has the GoodYear's, cripes I forgot what they are now... GA's?

Teo, I like Hen skin, especially on the Colonels' chicken, original recipe, the Colonel with his wee beaty eyes...

[Deleted User]

Mmmmmm. Fried chicken.

tpken

keeps the seats nice and soft but does a number on your dress pants.