2013 and earlier Honda Odyssey Prices Paid and Buying Experience

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  • ctbuyer1ctbuyer1 Member Posts: 17
    I am in CT and also bought an Ody from Bedard recently--with no problems on payment, registration or taxes. I did drive up to Bedard to sign the purchase agreement and left them a check for a deposit. I paid the balance in bank checks when I got the car.

    Bedard completed all of the necessary CT DMV paperwork ahead of time and the rep who delivered the car waited with me at DMV to make sure all went smoothly. I paid all of the tax directly to CT at the DMV. Given your distance, you likely will not have a Bedard rep with you at DMV in NJ, but I'm sure Bedard guys/gals can provide all the needed papers.

    The registration and tax situation depends on your state's policies and whether you transfer plates or apply for a temporary or new plates. For CT, if the rep didn't deliver the van, I would have had to get the papers ahead of time to pay for the transfer fee and taxes.

    As for taxes, check with your DMV to find out how you get credit for any taxes Bedard may take from you. The most they should take would be the 5% Mass tax.
  • cccompsoncccompson Member Posts: 2,382
    No, Honda's invoices do not include any type of ad fee. Published Honda invoice prices are exactly that (unlike those for Toyotas).

    I believe Honda's holdback is 2% (or perhaps one-half point more). Almost positive it is NOT 3%.
  • rockycow33rockycow33 Member Posts: 76
    Dont think 3% is correct unless there has been a recent change, ISell should be able to tell us.
  • binbobinbo Member Posts: 6
    Sammyccc- That was a very good deal. Might want to share more info on how/where you got the car?
    thanks.
  • cccompsoncccompson Member Posts: 2,382
    Nice link, thanks for the authoritative information. My source was my own (admittedly dated and sometimes faulty) memory of things read long ago!
  • obrien040362obrien040362 Member Posts: 134
    Here is my Slam Dunk Deal.

    2005 EX-L MSRP $30,810 Cost $27,750 + tax
    Ocean Mist with Gray Leather Interior

    Break Down as follows:
    Vehicle $27,624.50 ($75.50 over invoice)
    Doc Fee $100.00
    Title fee $15.00
    Temp Tag $10.50
    Full tank of gas
    Prep'ed washed and waxed
    Odometer Reading 5 miles

    I am paying with a check to them. There financing rate was over 4%

    My finance rate is 3.42%.

    Car is 200 miles away so I have one more cost.
    Greyhound Ticket $31.50 and 9 hours of my time.
    5 1/2 on a greyhound then 3 1/2 hour drive. I will pick it up this Saturday.

    When we were at stalemate this is what I told them:

    It has to be at my price because I won't drive 200 miles for a "todays market deal".

    What they get. dealer holdback and one more vehicle sold to help with future alotments.

    P.S. Even though I have given them a deposit I do not want to post the dealership name until Sunday.
  • ktupperktupper Member Posts: 2
    A friend of mine who is in the business is able to get me a Touring w/NAV & RES or an EXL w/NAV & RES for $2K below MSRP.

    Not too bad a deal, eh?

    - K
  • SylviaSylvia Member Posts: 1,636
    Could be. The page shows it was updated in January 2004. There is also marketing support on the vehicle depending on your zip code of $500 manufacturer to dealer. Check the Incentives and Rebates section of the site.
  • cccompsoncccompson Member Posts: 2,382
    I believe this is the closest price to invoice anyone has posted here on an '05 sale.

    Sounds like the store is in Ohio (my state) and I await your Sunday post.
  • cccompsoncccompson Member Posts: 2,382
    There has been at least one recent report here of a Touring N&R bought at $750 over invoice, a significantly better deal than that proposed by your friend.

    Prices seem to vary quite a bit by location and dropping rapidly in some areas.
  • cccompsoncccompson Member Posts: 2,382
    Sylvia, I just checked the Incentives and Rebates section and it shows $500 marketing support for the 2004 Odyssey and nothing for the 2005 model.

    Is that the same information you have?
  • hhiashhias Member Posts: 4
    Just completed my deal on a Touring with Nav and Res. Purchased for 3502.00 below MSRP. Have to pick up the car in the next week. Will post after I drive the car home. They had a few cars in stock but I choose to wait for the Ocean Mist they have coming in soon.
  • heywood1heywood1 Member Posts: 851
    Bet he won't.....
  • bkpbkp Member Posts: 3
    I am looking to buy either EX-L or Touring with N&R. The best I have been able to get in the Tampa area is ~$500 below the MSRP.

    Do any of you know of any dealership in the Tampa, or Orlando area that would give the cars
    at $500-$1000 above invoice? I feel very uncomfortable paying higher than that.

    Thanks for your help.
  • heywood1heywood1 Member Posts: 851
    Stick to you guns for $500-$1000 over invoice. Ask the dealer to name two tire dealers within 150 miles that can service PAX. When he can't, use this to hammer down the price of a Touring.
  • dogladydoglady Member Posts: 21
    ezucker - are you still experiencing the back pain? I have had my LX for a week and love it except my back is killing me! It starts to get unbearable after about 20 minutes in the seat and my back still hurts long after I get out of the van. It feels like the 'lumbar' support is upside down or something and the seat is very hard. I trying to figure out what to do. I have never had back pain problems before but this seat is wearing me out.
  • nagnag Member Posts: 5
    FYI

    Last week 'Poway Honda' dealer in San Diego, CA put all 05' Tourings on sale. It was $32998 with 10" DVD installed by Dealer, the Touring MSRP is $35010 with no DVD. So it was a damn cheap deal. I am bot sure you still get it or not.

    I bought EXL-DVD for $31660 ($750 off MSRP) about 6 weeks back, otherwise i would have bought Touring last week.
  • boomzerboomzer Member Posts: 37
    My understanding of how this will work is as follows: I will have to send payment to Bedard in full including Mass taxes, they will send me appropriate documents to bring to DMV for registration, I will have to pay the additional 1% tax (Mass 5%, NJ 6%). I then bring everything to Bedard to pick up van. I'm not crazy about paying in full sight unseen. I will explore ways to get around, PSUWIFE took plates from her old car and used that to drive away, I'll see if I can do as well.
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    I'd do that. Check and see if NJ will allow you to just move the plate to the new car. Here in MA, the RMV gives you 7 days to transfer the registration. Also, no temp tags available in MA. Make sure you get it on your insurance though before picking it up!!
  • SylviaSylvia Member Posts: 1,636
    Yes, for my zip code. Marketing Support can vary by region/zip code (I tested a few different zips).
  • ispyispy Member Posts: 11
    Not sure where you are but Honda Cars of Boston had an ad in the local paper for Tourings with RES and Navi for 3000 off MSRP.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    You lose your bet. It's 3%.

    It also IS NOT bottom line profit for the umpteenth time! It HELPS pay for flooring and maybe a bit of advertising.

    People who want to talk about holdback should also talk about the tremendous overhead and taxes a dealeship has to pay!
  • lumbarlumbar Member Posts: 421
    I appreciate the helpful information you provide, but I have to say the distinction you insist on making between "bottom line profit" and income from holdback is lost on me. There is very little of any moneys that come into a business that is "bottom line profit." Holdback strikes me an an element of positive cash flow just like sale price over invoice is a component of positive cash flow--all of which goes towards overhead such as "floor space" and advertising. I really see no essential distinction between moneys returned to the dealer via holdback, and moneys "taken in" by the dealer on sales over invoice--they are both elements of cash flow that go to determining "profit" once expenses such as overhead are deducted. If I'm off base, feel free to enlighten, & apologies in advance for a non-Ody post.
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    lumbar - I'm not in the business but this is the way I look at holdback. It is money that a dealer gets back that originally came out of his pocket to pay for the vehicle.

    Mfr: Your price Mr. Dealer is $10,000. So give me the $10,000. Now out of that $10,000 we will take $300 and give it back to you when you sell the car.

    I'm sure it's much more complicated than that ie payment terms, financing, et al. But do you consider that profit or is it more of a rebate?

    Edit - sorry to reply Isell. But from a consumer viewpoint, holdback and profit is none of my business.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    I do get tired of hearing how someone allowed a dealer to make a "fair" profit because that dealer "made money" on his holdback.

    I'm not going to go any farther with this in this forum but it does get old!

    Carry on...
  • dustindickson1dustindickson1 Member Posts: 1
    To all who have gotten Ody at under MSRP you are very lucky, because that will not last long. Supply and demand is truth, dealers gave there first ones away and now realize that Honda is two months behind on building them. These dealers will be waiting two to three months to get there orders in. This will be a sticker vehicle for the next two to three years Honda will make sure of that. Buy limiting the supply.
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,557
    Honda is going to make as many as they can. The only people that benefit from selling at MSRP are the dealers. Honda gets the same (invoice) price no matter what it sells for, so if the sell less units, they make less money.

    Sure, demand can trail supply, but I can't see Honda artificially lowering the supply.

    Anyway, near me, all the dealers seem to have a decent amount in stock. The longer waits seem to be for particular color/model combos. In particular, I think the RES units are backed up, because they didn't have enough components.

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  • SylviaSylvia Member Posts: 1,636
    The Smart Shopper board is the place if you want to discuss Holdback. We also have some great articles on the site about it.

    Rule of thumb that I use on Holdback - good to know it is there and exactly what it is but probably not something you should ever count on to get money off your deal. The only time I have ever used the Holdback arguement is when I special ordered a new vehicle at just below MSRP + extras that the dealer knew was not going to sit on his lot and tried to add another $3k to the price saying that "he had to make a little money" - I noted he was making the holdback 100% (which his manager agreed they were) so to stop with the padding or I would simply order from another dealer.

    OK - enough said on this very slippery slope! Anything else goes on Holdbacks goes in the Smart Shopper board.

    Thanks!
  • psuwifepsuwife Member Posts: 29
    Registration and Taxes for Out of State Purchase:

    I called my insurance agent and he typed out a new card for me. That is because Honda Ody 05 is NOT listed in their chart. Then I spoke with DMV office and they said that I can take my old van plates with me IRRESPECTIVE of the fact that I may or may not use them for the new van ie: I could have gotten new plates but since it was all paid up for a year in Sept we just decided to keep the old plates since we are donating the old van. Okay Once you have cleared that with your local DMV office make sure that your insurance agent puts that plate number and says it is for the new van. This is valid for 15 days. Once you get your van back to PA in my case, then take it with the Bill of Sale and Title and Insurance to your local DMV office and they will give you the registration right away or mail it to you. In PA we have 10 days from the date of registration to get PA inspection and emission testing. Pretty simple. It sounds much more complicated that it is. I was quite worried about the whole process and was amazed at how simple it turned out to be.

    We paid with a Home equity loan check. I had asked the dealer to hold my deposit as it was on my personal bank account. And I paid all that in one check. Also, I did NOT pay MA taxes though that was what they had told me. The dealership is honest as you can tell from a number of us who have bought from them, out of state! I have nothing to gain from any of these emails. I just want to thank you all for helping me at a time when I was convinced that Ody had to be bought at full MSRP. And edmunds.com has been helpful the last time I bought my CRV. So I can only return the favor by being honest with the other buyers. Good Luck and drive safely.
  • shopping4odyshopping4ody Member Posts: 13
    Hi,
     I just signed up at this forum today, but I've been following it closely for a few weeks and it seems verrrrry helpful. I got an offer of $35,243.82 out the door for an ex-l with nav. I haven't asked for a breakdown of the price. I live in VA. Can anyone give me their opinion on whether this is a good price or not? I'm assuming I'll pay $35,243.82 for everything, including tax and tags. Thanks.
  • muddyriverduckmuddyriverduck Member Posts: 18
    No. We don't know what your tax rate or doc fees are.
  • shopping4odyshopping4ody Member Posts: 13
    The tax rate is 5%. I don't know the doc fees. But how does that make a difference, as long as the out-the-door price doesn't change? i'm sorry if its a dumb question.
  • pkapka Member Posts: 56
    Tax in Va is 3%.... albeit property tax ...may be extra depending on the county....but this is not calculated when purchasing a vehicle.
  • pkapka Member Posts: 56
    I LIVE IN VA....I paid 3%!!!!!!
  • shopping4odyshopping4ody Member Posts: 13
    ooh, sorry about that. I thought it was the same as sales tax. i guess its 3% then for me too.
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,557
    They didn't require a registration? That is, as long as you have plates and an insurance card, they will do the paperwork on the spot and let you go?

    Wonder if I will be able to do this in NJ? It is one option to avoid paying before you have inspected the van. Of course, that also means I have to sell the old one first, which won't make my wife happy if the deal on the new one falls through for some reason!

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  • SylviaSylvia Member Posts: 1,636
    You should ask for a breakdown of what everything is. What if they are gouging you on the doc fees? Then you could pushback on that and get your OTD price down.
  • ispyispy Member Posts: 11
    I think if the van also has DVD then it is a poor deal. If it is just Navi then it is a very poor deal. I was pretty much in the same boat(watching this forum before buying). I got an ex-l res for invoice plus 700. After 5% MA tax/fees I was still well under MSRP. If the dealer is trying to sell you a van on his lot, print off a bunch of the info you see here and show him. Don't forget, the walkaway is a powerful tool. Don't be afraid to use it.
    I'd also like to see the breakdown. My judgement of the deal is just on what I know of this site. The dealer may be quoting prices with extra warranties/add-on etc. Good luck.
  • shopping4odyshopping4ody Member Posts: 13
    The van has a dvd and nav. I don't think it's on their lot. I have to ask. How long ago did you get your van ispy? What was your out the door price? thanks.
  • denver5357denver5357 Member Posts: 319
    I've been van shopping and researching in Colorado for two months now. We finally settled on a 2005 Ody, I think. Anyway, standard deal for an EX-L with DVD and NAVI around here is $1,000 below MSRP. I managed to get $1300 below MSRP ($33,310 before taxes) and some accessories, but I can't find anyone who will touch that. I even e-mailed a few Honda dealers in other states that I have seen mentioned in these forums. I told them I needed at least $3K below MSRP to make it a deal good enough for me to fly there and drive back. Only one responded and said there was no way they would touch that because they can easily get more selling to locals.
  • SylviaSylvia Member Posts: 1,636
    The out-the-door price probably isn't the number you want. Tell the dealer you want a breakdown. There isn't a reason in the world they shouldn't give it to you:

    1. Price of Vehicle (not to include DEALER ADD-ONS)
    2. Options
    3. Dealer Add-ons
    (e.g they put pinstriping on it and charge you $200 even though you didn't ask or want pinstriping; they might also be putting accessories in the van such as a cargo mat which you pay more for at the dealer rather than buying it through someone like H&A - just tell them "no" on this)

    4. Tax
    5. Title
    6. Document Fees

    = Out the Door

    You may have leverage on 1-2-3, 6 so it is important to know the breakdown.
  • obrien040362obrien040362 Member Posts: 134
    Here is my take on this holdback/profit posts

    Holdback is profit. It is profit hidden from the salesman. The dealership does not have to pay the salesman his cut on the profit from the holdback. Wheather he uses it for advertising, floor space or for year end bonus, it is money not spent therefore profit.

    I undersand saleman get a % of the "profit on the sale". Every deal generates profit from many areas such as holdback, documentation fee (yes there is profit in this fee), amount over invoice, financing, dealer installed accessories, extended warrenties, etc. Dealerships tell their salemen holdback is not profit so that the can stiff them their percentage due.

    I bet some dealers make money on destination charge. Odyssey are made in Alabama. The destination charge to Calif. is the same as the destination to Alabama. What if a dealer commits to a full truck load of (say) 8 vehicles. Does if cost $4120 (8*515) to deliver these vehicles to Calif. I would think so, but it doesn't cost $4120 to deliver them to Alabama.

    I don't think the dealer get reimburst the holdback back from the Honda. The dealer never pays it. He just pays 97% of the invoice.

    Most manufacture invoices (I don't think Honda has it) have finance reserve which is the amount of money to finance a vehicle for 90 days. This is reserve, so if a dealership turns a vehicle quicker than 90 days the reserve is not spent (i.e. profit). Does this profit go back to the manufacture or dealer I don't know. On the flip side if the vehicle is on the lot longer than 90 days you have used up your reserve. I believe it is always best to negotiate a vehicle that has just been delivered.
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,557
    If they won't detail exactly what the charges are, in writting, run (don't walk) away. They may even be violating the law in some way.

    But, as noted, every dealer will give you the breakdown. It's just surprising you need to ask.

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  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    I bet some dealers make money on destination charge. Odyssey are made in Alabama. The destination charge to Calif. is the same as the destination to Alabama. What if a dealer commits to a full truck load of (say) 8 vehicles. Does if cost $4120 (8*515) to deliver these vehicles to Calif. I would think so, but it doesn't cost $4120 to deliver them to Alabama.

    Freight charges are negotiated between the manufacturer and the logistics company handling the shipping.
  • SylviaSylvia Member Posts: 1,636
    No more Holdback posts here - please discuss that in the Smart Shopper board.
  • ezuckerezucker Member Posts: 34
    I'm sorry to hear about your back pain. I have not noticed any significant discomfort over the past week, but I've only been driving my Touring Odyssey for short (5- to 10-minute) drives around my neighborhood.

     

    I'm going to try to go for a short road trip this weekend (up to an hour), which will be a better test. I also want my wife to get a chance to see how comfortable the passenger seat is. I'll report back if we have any problems.
  • ezuckerezucker Member Posts: 34
    >>Last week 'Poway Honda' dealer in San Diego, CA put all 05' Tourings on sale. It was $32998 with 10" DVD installed by Dealer, the Touring MSRP is $35010 with no DVD.

     

    I assume you mean all '05 Tourings without NAV. I bought my Touring with NAV at Poway Honda last week, and it was either the first or second such model they have received there, and it had been on special order for a month.
  • boomzerboomzer Member Posts: 37
    I called NJDMV yesterday and got the following response. I would not be able to take the plates off my old van in order to drive it back, I also have the problem that my old van is a lease. I will only have to pay NJ 1% sales tax, that being the difference between NJ & Mass.

     

    I either have to make two trips or pay in full sight unseen.
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,557
    That was my understanding too. I'm not sure if I will even have the old van sold before getting the new one.

     

    Buying on faith that it checks out is a little scary. Pretty much have to depend on them to do a thorogh check out and prep. I will probably give them a detialed list of things to check (wind noise, etc), and plan to get there early, so that if there are any problems, they can take care of them on the spot.

     

    One other option is to go early, inspect, and if it passes muster, drive back to the top of Jersey (Bergen county), to which ever DMV is closest, do the paperwork, and drive back up. Must be a DMV in Mahwah someplace, which is probably only 2.5 hours or so. Make for a long day, but you need to put some effort in to save the money!

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