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By the way, I also had a Blazer with the 4.3L Vortec V6. The only good thing I can say about that engine is it was powerful. Other that that, the injectors needed replacing frequently and it was the roughest engine I have ever experienced.
The new 4.2L I6 is as smooth as silk and hauls [non-permissible content removed], especially on the open road. I just returned from the my second 1200 mile road trip in a month and my Trailblazer ran like a champ.
"Rear seat audio and air-conditioning controls and 3rd row seat temperature control"
Does this imply there is a separate temperature control for the third row? I cannot find one.
Well, you brother did a damn good job. I love the engine, even more so since I went from a Jimmy with 197 HP to the Envoy with almost 100+ more hp.
Soooooo soooo sooo smooth.
PsychoIndian
I too love my Envoy XL SLT, especially the engine, ride, and handling. Hope things stay that way.
Chris
The most ironic thing. I went to drop off my TB at the dealer to get my right headlight replaced, and also had a problem with the driverside visor. IT was very loose and would vibrate when on driving. Anyhow, as I was on my way to work, I saw a white TB behind me, and low and behold, his right headlight was out. What a coinkidink. Shoot, there's gotta be something with the front headlight. Any others had to replace theirs?
2002 YTD
Trailblazer - 219,373
Envoy - 96,976
Aren't they essentially the same price and offer the same options? Do people prefer the TB styling over the Envoy? Or is the brand recognition driving Chevy's sales higher? Could it be high fleet sales for Chevy? Just curious.
Thanks!
new 03 envoy xl? thinking of buying one within
next 2 to 4 mos. neoutdoorsman
What you have to remember is that there are three (Avis, Alamo, and Enterprise) large rental companies who purchase these vehicles for rentals. They purchase Trailblazers because they are cheaper. Thats one reason plus the fact that for the average person, you get the same vehicle for cheaper so more Trailblazers are sold.
TB sales vs Envoy:
I for one was going down the path of buying an Envoy and did end up with the TB
Rear end eye appeal was one reason, price differential a second. Most significant for us however was leg room in the front passanger side.
Sit in both of 02 vintage at least and you will find more leg room for the passengers left knee in the TB
TB sales vs Envoy:
I for one was going down the path of buying an Envoy and did end up with the TB
Rear end eye appeal was one reason, price differential a second. Most significant for us however was leg room in the front passanger side.
Sit in both of 02 vintage at least and you will find more leg room for the passengers left knee in the TB
"BMW's flagship goes like stink, but it gets some flack from owners"
"While our reader-owners have only good things to say about the way the big Bimmer performs over the road, feedback to our AutoFile survey also contains a glut of negativity regarding non-driving aspects of the car."
"Many owners' cars have been suffering from an overwhelming number of electrical problems, from faulty tire pressure monitor readings to clocks that run slow, to headrests that popped up on their own. Just about every letter submitted for our AutoFile survey mentioned a number of electrical gremlins. While some of them were quite funny, they all implied headaches."
"Owners paid: $74,695 to $80,495."
Would appreciate your comments. One other item for '02 and '03 Bravada people. The protrusion behind the rear doors as you know gets blasted by road debris and soon paint is gone. Try the JC Whitney stone gard tape. It's 6" wide and can be cut to fit. Unfortunately it is black (my Bravada is black) but works great. If it starts to wear, remove and replace. Had mine on almost a year including Ohio winters and no sign of deterioration of the material. Thought I would pass it along.
He was traveling so fast that the entire front end of his Caraven was destoyed, his air bags deployed, and the glass out of several windows in the rear of his minivan blew out.
I have never been hit that hard from the rear. The Bravada got a ding on the tailgate door, and the rear bumper is only slightly crunched. The quarters look perfect, windows perfect, taillights untouched. The receiver hitch totally stopped what could have been a huge repair bill on ours, but distributed the bill to him instead.
By the way, our Bravada was purchased in Feb 2001, and besides the recall initially, and some wind noise at the drivers window, we love it.
Just a comment on the Envoy VS. TB buyer decision, for me it was mostly a matter of looks: inside (where I am the most!) the smart styling of the dashboard in the Envoy and on the outside the sharp front-end and hood styling. The TB's certainly are very handsome and have good eye appeal too. Almost wish I could have one of both!
PS. My accessorization is almost complete. I just added the GM mudflap accessories for each wheel. They are the all-black no logo ones and have a raised area on them that blends into the lower body moldings nicely. I have factory running boards too. I had the dealer install them for $96 parts and labor. They were put on perfectly by the technician and are on very securely to stay put. Just after purchasing I installed the GM bug/wind deflector for $50. Installation was a breeze and took all of 20 minutes. Next and probably my last accessory will be the new (coming for the XL) oversize rear window air deflector. I am especially looking forward to this accessory because I believe it will improve the asethics of the rear "view", which looks a little ungainly.
Chris
I've been experimenting with a specially hacked line-out from the rear audio console. I'm feeding the line levels into an Audio Control EQ in the rear, and from there into an amp + subwoofer (both are temporarily getting +12 through the cigarette lighter!!!) It's been working great, and I will post details if there is enough interest in this forum as I'm ready to finalize everything.
So I ask those who have had an amp added: Where are you getting your +12? Perhaps the Bose amp, although it doesn't exist in my vehicle, has a reasonable +12V over sixteen-gauge or better? I think there is a large power junction under the left rear seat near the rear body control module (BCM). Perhaps that's the best spot to try.
The next challenge is to figure out a way of triggering the remote active either when key is turned to the 'On' position, or ideally, when the stock stereo is turned 'On.' Anyone have a good hint on this? Perhaps another line off of the BCM that changes state when the car is running?
Thanks for help in advance!
-Jeff
Tim
Still, nearly a year and a half later, my mother has severe neck and back pain often, and our "wonderful" insurance company of the time and its "good hands" still have not settled everything they should have, and will be hearing from us soon....Make sure that your Bravada goes to a good shop, you're all checked out medically (often takes a day or two for things to set in), and that your insurance company doesn't consist of 100% morons!
My neck hurts, but not bad. I went to the body shop today, the best in our town, but they were closed. I hope the frame is not bent. Thanks again for your expressions of concern. Will keep the board up to date on the damage and costs of such an incident. Our insurance is state farm, they have been great in the past. Similar problem with my new 2001 Aurora in 12/2001. They treated us great than.
Their All Wheel Drive (AWD) maintains a 38%-front 62%-rear torque split and does quite well.
They also have Dynamic Stability Control aka (DSC-X)specifically designed for the X5 and it's drivetrain. I've tried it in snow and it's flawless. Very difficult to cause any fishtails.
BMW also has Dynamic Brake Control as many of the other performance imports. Suburu does on their very top end Wagon. Kinda like AWD only for brakes. Also part of the braking system is the Hill Control...like Toyota is pushing on the new 4-Runner. The system has individual brake control on all four wheels while on all types of road surfaces.
I'm seriously looking at the new X5 for my wife after parting with her Benz. Especially since our first little one is due in June...she'll need the room.
at 290hp and 340hp...they do run on dry roads too
Anyone interested in studying the schematic of the DRL system, email me and I will send it to you to look at. tblazed@ev1.net
They are using a solid-state relay located on the underhood fuse block ( lo-beam "Headlight Driver Module") pulse-width modulated with a 80% duty-cycle at about 100 Hz. from the BCM to power the lo-beams at "reduced" brightness. No additional parts or manufacturing cost involved for this DRL system. All computer OS controlled.
1- Close all the vehicle doors
2- Insert the key into the ignition cylinder (do not turn on)
3- Press and hold the door unlock switch
4- While holding the door lock switch in the unlock position, cycle the
ignition ON, OFF, ON, OFF.
5- Release the door unlock switch. The doors will lock and unlock to confirm
the program mode
6- Press and hold the LOCK and unlock button simultaneously on one
transmitter. After a delay of approx. 15 seconds, the doors will lock and
unlock to confirm the programming of that transmitter.
7- Repeat the previous step to program up to 4 transmitters.
8- Turn the ignition switch to the run position in order to exit the keyless
entry transmitter program mode.
9- Operate the transmitter(s) functions to verify proper operation.
Only a V-8 X5 will outrun a triplet. Cornering depends a lot on tires and the Bimmers are strictly dry weather oriented. The optional 19"
wheels and tires make for one harsh ride (I rode in one)! At $50,000 minimum to start, this vehicle is in a different class. Why not get a 5 series wagon and enjoy more interior room, better ride, and better fuel ecomony?
As far as all that traction control BS, I don't want anything to do with it. More electronics and sensors to go bad in the future. Plus, when all the wheels are spinning, the computer basically shuts the vehicle down by applying the brakes to all wheels. I've seen it happen on Mercedes and that is probably what happened to the Bimmer in the snowstorm.
Both are nice vehicles, but comparing them is like comparing apples and oranges.
GAM
tidester, host
Yesterday I parked the truck across from the dealership covered with yellow signs explaining my problems. This was after trying to work with the guys at the dealership. They have no idea when the newly designed part for the back hatch will become available. Instead of waiting for 60 days to fight for a buy-back or lemon-law case, I simply unloaded the truck at Carmax. I bought a 2003 Eddie Bauer Expedition. Bigger engine, more room, better ride and not a whole lot more $$$.
I will try and get the cash I lost on the trade from my GMC dealer. When you buy a big truck and you have no way to use the 100 feet of rear storage, then the truck is worthless to me.
Why does GMC sell trucks with defective parts versus replacing KNOWN defective parts BEFORE selling them to customers!? Why should a customer have to deal with this sort of nonsense? Isn't GM supposed to be an industrial giant!?
Q: How many lemons can you buy for $34000.00?
A: One..a GMC envoy!
A: One..a GMC envoy!
You could push that up to four or five if you go for the used and aged variety! ;-)
tidester, host
Anyway, the plates came from the DMV on Saturday. I put the back plate on (are there supposed to be screws for the bottom two holes). I then proceeded to put the front plate "on." But, alas, one does not put a plate _on_ the front of these vehicles. It appears that they just drop in.
My issue is a concern of theft. It's one thing to have to undo a couple of screws holding the plate on. It another to merely have to walk by the front of the vehicle and just pull up on the plate and walk away with it. I'm in the Los Angeles / Orange County area, so anything can happen.
Does anyone know if GM/GMC has a way of securing the front plate much more effectively than this method?
Thanks!
Joel
My guess is that since there is a bulletin out on this, many Envoy owners have or will have this problem.
I don't know the answer to your question but I'll point out the boards are fairly quiet on weekends.
Can anyone help out mookie with his engine noise problem? Thanks!
tidester, host
I take my chances and do not have the plate or bracket on the front of my TB. I bought it in OK where the ft license plate is not required, so I certainly did not want to go drilling holes in my front fascia! One of the selectively-enforced laws here in Texas. At least 10% of the vehicles here have no front license plate even though they are required by "law". Had a Camaro for 15 years that I never put the front plate on and never had any problems with law enforcement... but I digress...
Tim
gator36 Nov 15, 2002 9:35am
On changing out a headlight: I thought it was next to impossible to change a headlight on my 02 TB. There is no way my medium size hand would fit in the hole to properly replace the lamp. Removing the grill was easier than I would have thought. Removing the complete headlight assembly required retracting two clips. Changing the lamp was then no problem. Remember, don't touch the halogen bulb with your bare hands. It will cause premature burn out.
Frank
Re: halogen bulb tip
If you accidentally touch the glass portion or if it's unavoidable, just wipe them down w/ rubbing alcohol before replacing them or turning them on. It's the oils on your skin that can create hot spots and the burnout mentioned above. Removing the oil eliminates the problem.