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"Ah, but I digress....I studied a TB LTZ this weekend that was parked next my LT and found that the "two tone paint job" actually (partially) consists of a bolt on piece of plastic that attaches to the holes in the front wheel wells...thus a mechanical use for those unplugged holes found on the LS/LT TB and Envoys. "
I don't think your engine should be making the tapping noise that you described. I don't want to alarm you but please read message # 2682 posted by sgross2.
I'll be taking my LTZ into the dealer after Thanksgiving for the recall and to get the front transfer case seal replaced as suggested by Tim. Replacing the seal seems to have fixed his squeal problem.
Good luck with the tapping sound...
Bill
Looking at your pictures, tlauro, I don't see these add-ons on your LTZ. I think they are very subtle add-ons and solve the problem of having to shoot a second color of paint on to the two tone LTZs...they paint the add-ons separately at the factory, then bolt them on to the TB after it has it's main color has been applied. It's a good idea...as long as the cladding doesn't hold water/salt behind it, in which case you have a recipe for oxidation.
Thanks.
...how do I know if it has had the recalls done?
Ask your dealer who should be able to provide you with documentation.
tidester
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Until now... have about 7500 miles on this and I must say it's probably one of the the worst built vehicles I've ever owned. Aside from having most of the problems listed on this board, this truck rattles all over. Since about 5000 miles, I've had nothing but problems with various noises. Doors loose, trim coming off, seat out of alignment and the list goes on. It came to the point where I'm embarased to actually tell the service people about the problems.
As much I like it, I really can't stand dealing with issues like this being that I spend 35K for a vehicle. I'm at the point where I think I will ditch this thing. Here I thought that GM did something right with these trucks and I decided to put my faith back into an American vehicle... boy was I wrong !
It's obvious that there are lemons and vehicles produced that range in quality.
Not sure where the breakdown is, but certainly QC at GM needs to get things worked out.
Best wishes.
tim
I would like to thank everyone who participates in this forum, it has helped answer any questions/concerns and I'm certain will be a significant resource as I enjoy relaying my experiences.
Happy to be part of the TB family,
Tim
Any pics of it?
Anyone else have pics of theirs...that section of our board is bare.
tim
2002 Trailblazer LTZ
1999 Grand Prix GTP 13.745@101.08mph
2000 Alero "GT", 15.576@89mph
http://www.timlauro.com
"I think they are very subtle add-ons and solve the problem of having to shoot a second color of paint on to the two tone LTZs...they paint the add-ons separately at the factory, then bolt them on to the TB after it has it's main color has been applied."
From what I've gathered by reading most of the posts here, many of the complaints are either (a) isolated or (b) minor. There are a few serious complaints, such as any recall, but those are pretty much the norm for any car these days.
I'd have no problem recommending one of the triplets to anyone, except for the fact that I don't want every car on the road to look like mine! So if anyone is considering a black/light pewter TB LTZ, get something else!
-Jason
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/18/automobiles/18AUTO.html?searchpv=past7days
Enjoy!!
I cleared a deal with a dealer on Sunday but they had to ship my vehicle from upstate....After I got home I called my salesman to ask about some fiscal questions that I was concerned about..he assured me he would call me back...well it is two days and he still has not returned my calls or messages...so I called up another salesman today to try and find out some answers...he said that my previous salesman was in and out of training but that he would help me out. I then get a call from the manager asking what I was doing talking to another salesman....I was amazed at his attitude..it seems once I put a deposit down...no more service....am I being unreasonable or is the dealer leaving something to be desired?(and can I do anything about it?)
My dealer has been nothing but great. I have received about 6 or 7 letters from everybody at the dealership congratulating me and welcoming me to the "dealership family". My salesman has called me like 5 times making sure everything was good and I was happy. I have had no complaints about them. I do know that they are striving for a good evaluation from you on the customer evaluation form that you get from GM. They always work a plug for themselves into the phone calls. I have heard but not totally sure, that the dealerships get allocated the number of cars they can get based on their performance ratings of customers. So, they are always striving for good reviews, and this works out good for the customer IMHO!
Mark
most everyone I've seen is generally happy.
tim
there not problems, just opportunities
On the rear of my TB LS, I notice there's a space between the sheet metal and the plastic taillight covering. From the lower part of the tailight to the upper part, the space gets larger, like it's not on as tightly as it should be. Does anyone else see this? This space is probably about 1/16" at the bottom and about 3/8-1/4" at the top.
As to the dealer cost of the Envoy, that is hard to know. Through Edmunds you can find the "invoice" price, but that is not the dealer cost. I am not sure of any site that can provide the dealer cost.
Good luck. There are ways to prevent this problem in the future, but that doesn't help you now.
tidester
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If you are pulling a boat of this weight or higher then I would be more concerned about the gas cost for the boat that the Truck. As the saying goes, if you are worried about the gas you might want to reconsider the boat.
Each higher ratio number increases the engine RPM at cruising speed by about 200-300 RPM. A small gas increase between each but mileage is more likely affected by individual driving habits than by axle ratio.
You asked:
I'd like to know if anyone knows how much of a difference in MPG there between the standard rear axle (I believe its 3:42) and the 4:10 that is part of the trailering package. Is it significant or negligible? I'd really like to get a trailering package for that "someday" I get a boat, but an wondering how much of a whack on fuel it will cost me.
Thanks.
That is not to say that the triplets are perfect, nor that only 0.9% of owners experience problems (this board is a poor candidate for a good statistical sampling--difficult to determine sample, survey bias, etc.). However, like any product, you should research various sources. You will find that some prefer the triplets (Envoy is Motor Trend's 2002 SUV of the Year), and some don't (Consumer Reports rated the vehicle marginally). Even Edmunds has conflicting reviews.
Bottom line: don't let this board decide for you; do the research, take a test drive, and decide for yourself.
That's what I've done, and why I'll be trading in my old car for a 2003 Envoy XL as soon as it becomes available!
I have noticed this on several vehicles on the lot that I looked at as well.
Not sure if it should be that way. If anyone else has noticed and heard a good response, please advise.
What were the names they were thinking of?
Regards,
Mark
The local dealer wants to soak me for $80, and I'm pretty sure they can be had for less at gmpartsdirect.com. Please post here others and send email bryancos@yahoo.com w/ the info.
Also has anyone seen the tail light covers for the TB/Envoy yet? Autoventshade has a part number listed for both solid and slotted covers, but nobody seems to carry them.
I've tt. a local speed shop and am probably going to go with a customer system from downpipe on back with quiet flow mufflers.
The only part I'm in debate about is what to do with the inline header as I've not yet found an aftermarket header.
tim
timlauro@timlauro.com
It's happened twice. First time the ECM was reflashed, the second time some 5000 miles later, they changed the ECM completely and installed a new harness.
dd
You might consider posting your aftermarket question over in the Aftermarket & Accessories section of Town Hall.
tidester
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Re lumbar support, if you have power seat controls, you can move the lumbar support up, but I don't know if it will go high enough to address the problem you're having. Also, play around with the positioning of the seat, since the seat position affects the position of your back.
Re aftermarket products, there's no recent topic in the aftermarket and accessories boards. I did an internet search for automobile seat cushions, and what came up were the $10-20 cushions that one commonly sees. I'm sure you could buy those or similar products at Trak Auto, NAPA, Pep Boys, etc. I have no idea if they work.
I'd recommend mentioning the issue to your dealer and/or the Chevy owner assistance 800 number (which I plan to do as well if I can't find a comfortable position in the near future). Maybe some modification can be done to the seatback.