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Subaru Impreza WRX



  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    "my kid would never do that!"

  • p0926p0926 Posts: 4,423
    mike- SOA can't afford to buy the press and since almost no one knows that GM owns a stake in Subaru, GM doesn't care.

    So mike, was the Kennedy assassination a government conspiracy too?

    -Frank P.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    I'm just saying what's good for the goose is good for the gander. Someone posted that MT was payed off by Ford for the COY award and I've heard people complain that the automotive press is bias to advertising $ in the past when they give out awards... Therefore one would need to assume that the same is true for our beloved WRX. We can't pick and choose and say "oh well the wrx won, so obviously it's not a payoff" yet if the RSX won, we'd be jumping up and down and saying "it won cause it's an acura and they are bias to acura..."

  • bluesubiebluesubie Posts: 3,497
    This is more towards the above question, not mike's conspiracy theory. :-)

    GM is definitely interested in the WRX. Bob recently posted comments from Bob Lutz about the WRX (although he seems not to know it's available in the U.S.).

    Also, GM execs have been closely watching the WRC for some time now.

    My i-club post about a GM visit to Prodrive in Jul '00.

    Is this relevant? I don't know, you decide. :-)

    Oswald did not act alone.


  • If the Nissan Altima won it, I could have understood, since it is world's better than the car it is replacing and would be proving to be instrumental in reversing the downward slide of Nissan, by propping the company up, almost singlehandedly. I might have disagreed a bit if it were given COY, but still I could live with it.

    Same with the WRX. It is a superbly capable and practical (in sportwagon guise) all-weather car and is single-handedly bringing a lot of attention to Subaru, especially due to its rally heritage and exploits. It is compared to cars that cost thousands of dollars more, while itself being sold at a bargain basement pricing for what it gives. A true COY material - an over-acheiver!!!

    The M3 getting it ? Of course, due to the amount of original engineering present within it, not even available in any road car till recently. This is without even considering the driving experience, which is extra-ordinary to say the least. Definitely a halo-car for BMW and also comparable to cars that cost a lot more. Definitely COY material.

    But the Ford Thunderbird ? Car of the year ? A bit of a stretch, especially considering that it is just a slightly re-engineered version of the Jaguar S-class/Lincoln LS (converted to a convertible version), with retro styling. It is not even a brand-new product, since it has been available in slightly different guise as the Lincoln LS/Jag S-type for at least a couple of years. Frankly, even the S-type/Lincoln LS do not have any original engineering within them, to raise them (or any of their variants) to the extraordinary COY level. T-bird deserving COY ? Not in my lexicon, since this award has been given on the basis of styling (for nostalgic types who are caught in a time-warp in the fifties), not for any original engineering or substance !!

  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,788
    I couldn't have said it better.

  • I had a Trooper and I was sick of the whole SUV craze!!! I couldn't give it away after 3 weeks in most of the papers in LA area. So I took a loss and got rid of the gas & space hog.

    Love the WRX!!! My roomate has a BMW M roadster and she even said she liked driving it very much. Most of my other friends wondered why I bought an ugly car? It's grown on me but it is not attractive to be honest. but some 17" wheels will help it some. I also went to a local Subaru meet here where 30 or so Imprezza owners showed up. One guy had a black and blue leather interior done on his blue car, it looked so nice and gave the cheap interior a needed touch of splash.

    I compared the Acuyra RSX and the GTI before I bought. i also llooked at the Altima and Maxima but didn't even need a drive to cross them off my list. The GTI has a great Euro look in my opinion with very nice quality leather seats and 17" wheels for a good price. I love the hatchback design on it very much too. I thought about the WRX wagon but the fender flares in my opinion add a little attitude to a car that needs it very much.

    The RSX had a very cramped rear seat so it was more like a 2 seater and the power came in at a very high rpm. The interior is very nice though but the rest didn't do it for me.

    I bought silver so it will not show the dirt. Although the dealer had one of each color. They had a silver sedan with 17" wheels painted black which looked great! Thats the route I plan to take. I may do the leather too later.

    But so far love the way this car drives! So even though I have some points to pick about the level of quality, for the price I cant expect more. Now if VW did the interior of this car it would be perfect!

    I will keep folks updated as I change the car and how I feel about it after the 1K mile break in. The car had 6 miles when I got it...almost a virgin!

    I wish the website was better layed out like the which is by car model and not some crazy catagories. It's a mess to try and find something.

  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,788
    Enjoy the ride! :)

  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Too bad you didn't post up before. My dad is looking for a trooper. I have an '00 LS. :) If you don't need the space it is a waste and gas, well yes it does burn a lot of gas.

  • wrxguywrxguy Posts: 51
    Ive had my silver wrx for about three months and really enjoy it! Painted black wheels eh? Id like to see that.

    I looked and test drove many of the same vehicles you did too :) Awd kicks booty!
  • Just watched the MotorTrend show on Speedvision. But they said things like, brakes are ok, but could be better. Tranmission is fine, but it could be better. Ride is soft, but could be sportier. Price is just "competitive". Basically it won because of the styling and heritage. Motortrend has no business picking a car of the year. If they didn't get paid off, then they are just stupid. (sorry off topic, but I had to get that rant off my chest)

    WRX won because it's a good car. If the RSX, M3,Corvette Z06 won, I wouldn't complain either. But the Thunderbird is just a marketing/styling gimmick to me (much more so that any Audi TT)
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,788
    Those sound like pretty weak arguments. In any case, I'm not fond of the new T-Bird. In fact, there isn't one T-Bird that I ever really cared for. It's a car designed to drive down Sunset Strip, period.

  • The wheels were Eagle crap wheels painted black. I wonder about the durability of painted wheels. It looked real nice on the silver, sort of bad boy but not really. So i have to see if it's feasable to do with decent tires for around $1K.
    I will go by and take pictures to show what it looks like sometime this week.

    I have found one other quirk the Trooper hard that I get annoyed by. At night the window and door lock switched are not lighted!!! Do the Japaneese think we dont lock doors or lower windows when it gets dark?

    But on the flip side, it's awsome to have a 6 disk changer in front of you!

    I will also try to reupholster the visors with some better quality vinyl or leather. I have a friend who owns this company he has done incredible work on BMW's hope he doesn't mind working on a Subaru.
  • viet2viet2 Posts: 66
    The first time I saw the WRX, it did not do much in term of styling for me. But it did not bother me. But after I bought the car, it really grown on me. I spend a lot of time looking at the car and I think the WRX looks really good. Under-state but very handsome with distinctive character. Many people criticized the big head lights, but I think it actualy contributes to the WRX character. I have asked people is it ugly, most said it is a beautiful car. The only guy said the WRX is painfuly ugly, and he drive a old Grand-am. What do you think about the WRX styling?
  • I personally am not too impressed with the styling. Basically, Subaru puts together very good vehicles but pulls back on styling. I wonder how much Subaru sales would improve, if they had Audi Stylists designing the exterior and the interior of these cars, and being sold for the price at which they sell for now....hell, there are lots of inferior cars, that sell solely on the basis of styling, and why should the REX not be styled attractively ?

    I do admit that I have grown fond of my REX and have even affectionately named her "Puggie", since she reminds me of a pug.

  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,788
    "inner beauty." Remember the song, "Never Marry a Pretty Woman...?" That song was meant for the WRX.

  • dsm6dsm6 Posts: 813
    I don't particularly enjoy the styling, but I will say this - it has character. I don't think the design translates well to the North American market. It seems to fit in better in the Japanese market.
  • wrxguywrxguy Posts: 51
    Distinctive is the word that comes to mind.
    The Larger than average head lights or eyes have grown on me. I suppose if styling was a bigger issue I would consider the Morette afer market head lights.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Sorry it still looks like a neon to me. But as bob said and most of you know I don't care how it looks as long as it performs. :) Now if someone told me that we could get a 2002 WRX that had the attributes of the stiffness, engine, etc. that looked and had the weight of the pre 02s I'd take it in a heartbeat.

  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,788
    is on a 4-year cycle. The next generation Impreza is due in 2005, most likely as a MY06 model. This is a shorter production cycle than any previous Subaru that I'm aware of. Previous Subarus have gone at least five years before a new generation model is introduced.

    I take that as an admission by Subaru that the styling is not what it should be, and that they want to get a new model out as fast as they can. The criticism of its looks is world-wide, not just here in the USA.

  • I actually l-o-v-e the styling on our silver WRX wagon, especially the rear 3/4 view, looking from the side and slightly above the vehicle. And the sedan grows on me all the time. You have to view the sedan from almost street level to really appreciate it. To look its best, tho, I think the sedan needs the rear wing to counterbalance the front hood scoop. My wife is an artist and she likes the styling too.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I agree the wagon looks great from that angle.

    Motor Trend's award is the most valuable from a marketing stand point but the least valid from a technical stand point.

  • boomn29boomn29 Posts: 189
    The wagon (any wagon) looks stupid to me.
    The sedan I thought was fugly the first couple months I seen it. But those performance numbers... It starts to grow on you!
  • the more time, effort, and money you spend on style and design, the more cost it adds to the car. Could they sell a 40K WRX? The Audi A-series cars look alright (not as good as BMW or Mercedes), but cost less than those. If the Audi stylists were hired to work on the Subaru design, the WRX would probably cost another 10K. Id say its pretty good for what you pay.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,788
    VW and Chrysler products are among the best looking on this planet, and they are not premium priced.

    I've been a design professional for 30 years. I know good (excellent!) doesn't have to be expensive. What it takes is courage and conviction from those calling the shots.

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Actually, VWs are. Golfs and Jettas really push the price limits for compact cars, easily hitting the upper $20s.

    But yes, inexpensive cars can be stylish and attractive. I like the sporty back on the wagons, though. The Protoge5 and Matrix are other handsome examples.

  • I disagree too, about good styling costing much more....hell, the Bottom-of-the-food-chain Daewoos are starting to look really attractive, even though they are duds underneath all those stylish exteriors. Same applies to some of the Hyundais. Why not spend a bit more time in spiffing up the exteriors of the REX, beats me.

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    But then people would say they look like Daewoos, Hyundais, or Chryslers. I guess you can't win.

  • From what I recall, the latest Daewoo styling was done in Pininfarina.

    Basically when something looks really good (eg. The new Mercedes S-class), you don't have to be apolegetic about the appearance, since the innards are very sturdy and top-notch. When the Daewoo/Chrysler/Hyundai looks good, they don't have the substance underneath to back it up. A Passat/Audi A4 etc does. The WRX has a lot of substance underneath, and if it is backed up by good-looks, it would sell like hot-cakes. But then again, too many REXs on the road may not be a good thing, however... ;-)

  • twrxtwrx Posts: 647
    I like the WRX styling. It is distinctive. I like my wife's RS but without the wing and scoops it was pretty boring. So maybe the new WRX is a bit wierder. But that is why it is a Subaru. (XT, SVX, BRAT, original GLs etc.) I liked the looks of my Forester but always thought it was not true to Subaru styling--way too conservative.
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