Geesh, sometimes you've gotta wonder what is going on in the minds at Edmunds. GTO's vs. WRX's? Suggesting all season rubber on a WRX is a bad thing? Sure, I can agree that the Bridgestone rubber may be compromising the ultimate performance of the WRX, but, to suggest that using all season rubber is just a bad idea is completely missing the point of this vehicle. Would one seek out all wheel drive if you didn't ever have to deal with mud and snow? Most of us rarely have to drive in deep snow. Those areas that suffer from deep snow usually have adequate plowing provided. Maybe its just me, but, the beauty of the WRX is having a practical FUN car that can be used most anytime, most any where, with very little sacrifice. Perhaps Subaru should just use better all season tires? Tire options wouldn't be such a bad idea either. While I'm at it, perhaps Subaru can return to the 100 HP per litre prestige and give the WRX the 250 HP 2.5 litre motor used in the legacy. Furthermore, we want an STI wagon!
What is meant by more drivable for the 2006 wrx model year? I test drove a 2005 wrx automatic wagon and a 2006 automatic wagon. The 2005 wrx seems to drive sportier due to the kick in the pants from the turbo and also seems a little rough and less refined. While the 2006 seems faster , softer, more luxurious even with 17 inch wheels the ride does not seem rough, but does feel less sporty and more refined . The 2006 wrx engine feels like a six with power coming on smoothly as oppose to the kick in the pants style of the (boy racer) 2005. Lastly in the article review it say that the new 2006 wrx looses something to the 2005 model in the mountains due to the new transmission gearing and more luxurious suspension what is meant by that statement? Please give me your opinion on the 2005 vs 2006 wrx.
More driveability means less skilled driver can drive the car better, usually at cost of more skilled driver, who will find limits at lower level.
Not to take shots at you, but driving WRX automatic is like drinking non-alcoholic beer. As Seinfeld said "not that there is anything wrong with that..."
The powerband is more user-friendly with the larger '06 2.5 engine. The power is spread over the rpm range more evenly. The older 2.0 models may feel "sportier," but if you catch it off boost, there is little power on tap. This is especially true with the automatics, which have only four gears to work with.
So "living" with the new 2.5 should be a lot easier, and probably more satisfying in the long run.
I'm interested in WRX sedan. When checking the local dealer inventories online it seems they have an abundance of WRX TRs and hardly any of the normal sedans. What I'm trying to do is get one without a rear spoiler. It seems that all of the regular sedans are equipped with the spoiler even though it is supposed to be an option. Will I need to purchase a TR to get a sedan without a rear spoiler?
You might have to special order, or perhaps ask the dealer to do a trade. But when 2 dealers are involved, that makes the deal more complicated, so see if you can agree on a price (relative to invoice) before you talk about that detail.
It's been a while since I've been here, so I have been reading some of the recent posts. I still have my '02 WRX, and still think it's the best thing since gravy on taters. (Also have an '05 Outback LL Bean). Both great cars! The WRX is still my ride of choice. Neither one gets the best mileage in the world (mid 20's)and both require premium fuel. But they are worth any addition cost involved. I use Mobil 1 in both vehicles and was sold on it by a very simple test. Get 1 quart of any regular oil (I used Penzoil 5W30) and 1 quart of Mobil 1 5W30. Open them both and dip a screwdriver into each,(use two screwdrivers) then stand up the screwdrivers and wait for the oil on each to run off. You will notice the one you dipped into the regular oil is nearly dry afer a couple of days, however the one you dipped into the Mobil 1 will be slick and oily for weeks. Kinda like using Slick 50 only cheaper, and easier. (And they didn't pay me to say that either!)
Another thing I might add is the fact that my garage floor has never been cleaner since owning my Subarus. I haven't had to clean up any oil drips (or other fluids) since I have owned them.
I change the oil and filters every 5,000 miles and it has always been relatively clean, compared to regular oil.
I have never been happier with any other vehichle purchase. I would not hesitate to take either car on a short drive or on a long trip, regardless of road conditions.
Just got to drive Bob's WRX Limited wagon yesterday. Very nice! I'm jealous. The engine is very flexible and there is almost no lag, just a linear and never-ending burst of power. It was actually a bit scary how fast it was, I almost hit the car in front of me once... :surprise:
I just test drove a base Audi A3 2.0T Turbo automatic with DSG transmission 200HP. The power was everywhere, and was smooth, the more you stepped on it the more it had to give I was very surprised. I am seriously considering buying a new leftover 2005 WRX automatic wagon and wanted to know if the ecu can be reflashed to give you more, even, smoother Acceleration and increase HP & TORQUE without performing any more modifications? I would like it to perform like an A3 (can't truely describe the acceleration of the A3) or a new 2006 WRX. Also how much would a reflash cost?
I suspect you will be disappointed with any pre-'06 WRX automatic, as you will find a good deal of turbo lag. The larger 2.5 engine on the '06 would be a much better choice for an automatic, as the turbo lag has been pretty much tamed.
Answer = Yes. However, you'll have better results coupling the reflash with the v7 STi engine-back exhaust [uppipe, downpipe, midpipe and muffler].
I drive the '03 WRX 4EAT wagon, and my turbo lag is near non-existance. Power comes on quick, smooth and strong. I must admit that I miss the kick in the pants, but I gladly trade it for the least lag.
Ecutek reflash will cost around $600 for the initial reflash, and a small fee thereafter for future reflashes.
If this is the us model sti, then the up and axleback muffler is diff. but the dp and mid pipe are identical to the wrx's. Just a reflash will get you quicker spool but not by much. UP and DP change will make it close to the 2.5 motor.
I have recently added a GReddy exhaust system to my 2004 WRX Impreza. This part has added a great amount of power to my car. Wanting to continue adding power to my car, I need some advice, badly. i want to add an air intake. I would enjoy any suggestions. Also I want to know if the turbo is able to be modified by a computer. If not what can I do to boost the power without killing my transmission.
General consensus seems to be to skip the air intake, instead spend the money on a reflash of the ECU or a piggyback or pnp unit like the Cobb Accesport. Power at the level you are talking doesn't kill the tranny, but bad shifting or driving habits might.
Pity that the 2006 Automatic WRX is not available without all the $3000 doodads like leather, heated seats etc. You only get an Automatic in the "Limited" version. You simply cannot opt for a base WRX (containing all the features that one would ever need) with an Automatic, from the '06 model on. :mad:
It may be "non-alcoholic beer" but it may be the only option that a lot of people needing a high performance relatively in-expensive AWD small wagon, would consider.
Did people notice that the Saab 9-2X Aero (WRX) has a $4000 cash-back on right now ? Even though the SAAB version is available without leather etc., it is not equipped with the improved brakes from the 2006 WRX. It has only been given the 2.5L turbo mill, without the brake upgrade, which is a poor move, IMO.
I think something like 4% of the WRX wagons had been sold with automatics in the past. That's why it's not offered. Subaru expects that if you want an automatic, you'll spring for the Limited trim level. I suspect they're right.
The thing is auto in this particular car simply stinks - no manumatic, only 4 speeds - basically a cheapest POS you can find on the market right now after three-speeds on Neon and Corrolla are gone. It basically rips the car thing off from its value and fun so much that I think they should pay you to take it, not demand extra $1000 LOL.
I can see only one situation when one may want one - they really want the car, but they have a girlfriend/boyfriend/spouse who absolutely refuses to drive a stick shift.
"I think something like 4% of the WRX wagons had been sold with automatics in the past."
Was this 4% number based on some published figures ? Maybe I missed seeing them, since I would be extremely surprised if this were so, especially here in the US.
Or was the move from Subaru an arbitrary move to milk the most amount of money from people who desire automatics ? I personally would refuse to buy a "limited" WRX with things like slippery leather etc which is the last thing I need in a tight handling car with 55% of the torque going to the rear wheels (other automatic Imprezas act like Front-wheel-drive vehicles for the most part). I have no use, nor would I want to pay for, automatic climate control or a moonroof either....especially since manual WRXs are available without all these things.
The reason why I ask is that they have dropped the regular Legacy GT wagon too and are forcing people to spring for the "limited" version with all kinds of un-needed luxuries and several thousand dollars more than the base GT. As we know, a base GT was available till 2005. :mad:
It is more a desperate move of a small company that can't afford to have an expanded lineup. There is always somebody to be left unhappy. I can see your priorities for example different than mine - I like "stuff", as much as I could afford, but I want a manual transmission with it. Removing regular GT (both manual and auto) and manual GT Ltd. was probably more of a necessity to stay afloat than anything else.
My local dealer got stuck with two 05 GT wagons with manuals until after February 06! I was even entertaining to trade my WRX for one, but did not do it exactly because it was not limited (wanted a sunroof at least, would not oppose a leather). Plus, 06 has a redesigned structure with better side crash rating, which made me "wait & see" even more for say 07 or even 08.
One thing I still cannot understand - they left Outback XT with manual. For me more logical would be cutting the Outback and leaving the Legacy manual, as more sporty of the two. But what do I know...
Yes, that 4% was a published figure. It was posted in a thread on another Subaru site. It was supplied by someone with access to broken down sales figures from Subaru.
As to slippery leather seats... Not a problem as I have an '06 WRX Limited wagon, and the leather seats keep me firmly planted, without sliding.
Did people notice that the Saab 9-2X Aero (WRX) has a $4000 cash-back on right now ? Even though the SAAB version is available without leather etc., it is not equipped with the improved brakes from the 2006 WRX. It has only been given the 2.5L turbo mill, without the brake upgrade, which is a poor move
I take this back. The Saab 9-2X Aero (WRX) has the brake upgrade too. The WRX brakes and the Saab brakes are of the same size. So essentially, the SAAB is available with cloth etc., and automatic, for around 3 grand less than the WRX limited, after factoring in the 4000$ cash back.
More surprising are the prices for the Legacy GT Limiteds and the Outback VDCs. $35 grands+ and remaining unsold for several months. The Tribecas are even more expensive and have remain unsold for months too. Forcing people to buy "limiteds" for 1000s more does not seem to be a winning strategy !
There aren't too many Subies street priced above $35 grand, in fact fitzmall.com is a Subaru dealer and they don't have a single one priced that high, $34,268 for their best equipped 7 seater Limited with NAV and DVD.
Saab has higher-than-Impreza prices to begin with, so I doubt you'll end up paying much less. When the Employee Purchase Program was out, you could get a 9-2x Aero for $19.4k, and a WRX was running about $21 grand.
And the employee pricing was running with about 7 grand cashback incentive. 9-2X has $3-$5 thosand premium on the sticker over Impreza in both trims. If both sell close to invoice, $4K incentive basically brings both cars to similar pricing, give and take, which is about right as 9-2X offers very little over WRX - couple of oil changes and perhaps better exterior styling, if someone likes it.
It is true that if both cars sell close to Invoice, then the 4K discount should make the prices comparable, comparably equipped.
BUT, here is the issue: Subaru WRX Automatic is not available in the base WRX trim and only in "Limited" trim which costs around $3000 more than the base version. The SAAB Automatic Aero is available, in base trim, which is all I need. So when a base SAAB Automatic Aero is outfitted with an Automatic, it costs around $4K less than the WRX Automatic Wagon (Available as "Limited" only), when we factor in the 4K cashback. 4K is a serious chunk of change, for someone who does not need the additional stuff fetched by that money. If comparable base trims were available, I would not think twice about springing for the Subaru.
There aren't too many Subies street priced above $35 grand, in fact fitzmall.com is a Subaru dealer and they don't have a single one priced that high, $34,268 for their best equipped 7 seater Limited with NAV and DVD.
I understand that fitzmall.com has very attractive prices. But how do I get that price here in MN ? None of the dealers here would go down to any price that is close to fitzmall's.
I based my $35K+ prices, purely from reading the window stickers on the dealership lot, which put me off completely. A couple of years back, the top-of-the-line VDC wagon barely cracked the 30K barrier (sticker). At 35K plus, people would probably look closely at a lot of other alternatives in the marketplace.
We got your point the first time - no auto with cloth makes you mad. If you really want it buy Saab - most of the money will go to FHI anyway, so what's the deal?
As many said before - market for auto WRX is very small, in general. If SoA needed to make cuts in their lineup, this one actually made some sense, as there is a group of buyers who like speed and plush, but can't really drive (stick). As I said before, those cuts are not really driven by trying to squeeze the customer, rather it was a cost-cutting measure. They knew the'll lose customers, the question was which option would lose the fewest. Considering that Saab was still available for those who can't drive (stick), to my surprise I find this move legitimate and rational (unlike others).
I would think that 'those who can't drive stick' forms a huge majority of the buying public while 'those who can drive stick' is currently a very small number in the US and getting smaller by the day.
I wonder if the 4% sales number for the automatic WRX was because they only made 4% of WRXs with an automatic and thus could only sell that many ??
While it is true in general public, so far WRX proportions are opposite. I am checking local dealers' inventory very regularly and there have been very few auto on sale in last three years - and I live in Florida, i.e auto country.
I wonder if the 4% sales number for the automatic WRX was because they only made 4% of WRXs with an automatic and thus could only sell that many ??
Your question is legitimate - in general. However, I think WRX has quite unique buying audience, at least in first three years. It may change in the future, as market saturates. It may be also beneficial to understanding the move when seeing percentages of auto trannys in current and previous competitive vehicles, like Mazdaspeed Protege, Dodge SRT-4, VW GTI/GLI, Cobalt SS, Ford Focus SVT. Some were available with manual only, others sell manual in large quantities. I know it will sound terrible, but if one can't drive a stick, they should learn it before attempting a car like WRX. Perhaps not fair, but that car with auto is just not right (unless it is something like DSG/SMG, which we know is not gonna happen soon).
As I said before - I don't think it was a "greed" move - rather a cost cutting. Perhaps misplaced. Subaru struggles to break their sales barriers - there is a separate thread on it.
And remember - that particular 4-speed auto is pathetic, anyway. It's not even non-alcoholic beer, it's a fat free margarine :lemon: .
A big part of the problem was the 2.0 WRX and the 4-speed automatic was not a great marriage. There were too few gears and too much turbo lag. I expect the current 2.5 engine will work better with this automatic. Ideally it needs the 5EAT with SportShift. When that is offered in '08 (as is rumored), I bet automatic sales will jump significantly.
Subaru is a niche make so demand varies a *lot* depending upon the region. There's only one dealer in all of Alaska, for instance, and they command much higher prices, so a lot of folks actually go down to Seattle to buy their Subies.
Here in DC, though, we have about 7 dealers within a reasonable distance for me, so competition for your sale is great, hence the good prices. Plus we don't get as much snow as, say, Colorado.
For you, I'd recommend looking to see if your credit union (if you belong to one) has a buying program, or maybe Costco if you're a member there. You might not get the best possible price, but it should be within a few dollars of the best deal and without any of the haggling normally associated with buying a car.
I'd also pre-qualify at your bank for a car loan if you need one, have a number in mind and tell the car dealer you'll only finance there if they meet or beat your rate at the bank.
I think the 5-speed AT is available off-the-shelf from the Legacy GT with the sportshift - why not use it, at least in the WRX (which is premium priced among the Imprezas) ?
If the lag can be fixed through reflash etc., then why would Subaru not do it right at the factory ?
I think the 5-speed AT is available off-the-shelf from the Legacy GT with the sportshift - why not use it, at least in the WRX (which is premium priced among the Imprezas) ?
That thought crossed my mind, but the work would be far too expensive.
5EAT TCU match to 2.0l ECU Shifter Steering wheel, if it fits. tech/speedo panel
what I can think.
f the lag can be fixed through reflash etc., then why would Subaru not do it right at the factory ?
Conservative approach? The WRX is a recent introduction into the USDM. Emission was the primary concern so the ECU was tuned to pass and 3 cats for added assurance. The 2.5l are down to 2 cats.
The '08 WRX is still quite a way away. Over a year and a half away?? Edmunds mentions that the Imprezas would be moving to a shortened version of the Legacy platform..similar to what was done by Mazda for the 3, by using the suspension design from the Mazda 6. I wish I could wait that long !
I think if Subaru had aggressively marketed the Automatic WRX, by equipping it with the off-the-shelf 5-speed sportshift (maybe even steering wheel paddle shifters), it would have sold well. Emphasizing the fact that the WRX Automatic shares its center differential design with the STi (unlike other Imprezas and Foresters - manual or automatic), enabling it to have a rear-wheel power bias like the STi, would have been just icing on the cake. The stick-shifted WRX on the other hand, shares its hardware with the lesser Imprezas and not with the STi.
Being bashful on those points and slipping in an automatic on the quiet - and forcing buyers to pay for the "limited" features - obviously has not helped sell many cars. Surprised, Subaru ? :mad:
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I am thinking of leasing an Impreza WRX wagon. Saw a local dealer has a lease deal of $179 on Impreza RS sedan with 1769 down, 12k miles for 48 months. Is this a good deal? I am interested in WRX wagon, so I would use this $179 as a base.
Would you use lease on base Corrolla to get an "idea" mid-trim Camry? That's the price difference between 2.5i (frmr RS) and WRX. On top - the lease rates (money factor) may not be as great either. 2.5i lease is subsidized, WRX may or may not be. Your WRX payment for similar conditions (no down, no sec. deposit etc.) is likely to be in very high 200s/low 300s.
Hi corewrx. I have a '06 WRX Limited wagon, with a 5-speed. I have a bit over 10K miles on it at the moment. Here are my comments:
Likes:
• Front end styling. I think Subaru has hit upon a good "family" look for the Impreza, if not the whole Subaru lineup.
• The overall package is pretty well thought out. I'm talking about the never-ending battle between vehicle content vs. MSRP. I think it's a very good value.
• Love the looks of the new 17" wheels with red brake calibers.
• The handling is SUPER!
• Love the quick steering.
• AWD! Love it!
• Good power—and a good usable powerband.
• Reasonable gas mileage considering it's a performance car.
• Inclusion of All-Weather-Package (heated seats, mirrors & windshield) and moonroof in the Limited trim level.
Dislikes:
• There is waaaaay too much road noise coming from the tires. On certain types of roads the tire noise drives me nuts! I would like to see Subaru offer more sound-proofing in this vehicle (maybe as part of the Limited package?). This is especially needed if the brand is to move upmarket—if even only slightly upmarket.
• The moonroof is also noisy when open.
• The ride is very harsh on bad roads.
• Needs just a bit more content. See below.
Recommendations for future models:
• It needs more power outlets up front.
• I have the optional front center armrest, and it needs more padding, as it is very hard.
• I would like to see a "gear indicator," like that found on SportShift-equipped cars, as a reminder as to show what gear you're in. I would place this digital readout gear indicator at the bottom of the tach. Because of the relatively tall gearing of the '06 WRX, I often find myself cruising in 4th gear (thinking I'm in top gear), and a gear indicator would just remind me to upshift into 5th. I also know from experience driving various 6-speed manuals, because of the close-ratio gearing, that I've found it confusing to figure out if I'm in 3rd or 5th. Please note that Acura has just such a gear indicator on their 6-speed TSX models—and it's a great feature! Many motorcycles also have this feature. One more thing about this: a gear indicator would/could help owners drive the vehicle more efficiently (get better gas mileage), by cruising at lower rpms.
• Speaking of gearing, I would like to see the WRX get a 6-speed manual from the Legacy Spec.B (or STI) and the optional 5EAT SportShift.
• It needs more rear passenger legroom. A longer wheelbase would cure that.
• Offer a navigation unit on WRX Limited and STI Limited models. Actually, I would like to see it offered on ALL Subarus as an option.
• I'd like to see it with a larger fuel tank. The tank range is only so-so.
• I would like to see an STI Limited wagon offered.
Competition:
As to the other models you mentioned: If it doesn't have full-time AWD, I'm not interested. As to the EVO: I think buying any Mitsubishi is a risky thing to do. I'm not sure they will be here in the USA in 5 years.
I have one of the first '02 WRX's; I bought it in April of '01. The 105K mile service on the WRX requires the timing belt plus a raft of other 'goodies' for the dealer bottom line, to the tune of $1200.
The timing belt on this car is a PIA, requiring the turbo wastegate plumbing to be removed. Apparently it is rocket science, because it took my dealer (who admitted this was their first WRX timing belt job) no few than SIX tries over a six week period to get it back together properly, with all the parts intact. There is an airflow restrictor inside one of the wastegate vacuum hoses. After they gave the car back to me after the service, the car was seriously overboosting (18psi)and the electronic controls were cutting in to prevent engine damage. They decided the cause was cracked vacuum hoses, and proceeded to replace the hoses and THROW AWAY the restrictor valve. Without the valve, the car then would never generate more than 8 psi of boost. This led to the four week odyssey on their part to first claim the car doesn't boost over 8psi, then blame my boost gauge, then try everything in the book except what I told them they had done in the first place. I found it on a WRX forum.
In the process of all the monkeying around with the turbo, the car now throws a 'misfire on cylinder three' code and misses under load or when hot. Of course, nothing they could have done in the service or the six tries at fixing the turbo has anything to do with this....It seems pretty obvious that it is a bad plug, a bad plug wire, a bad coil or primary circuit wire or a bad computer connection, all of which they dorked with.
Anyway, if you are looking at T-belt replacement on a WRX, you might want to ask the dealer how many they have done....
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I like those seats they get.
And I agree about the back seat. The Nissan Versa's back seat is a lot roomier, for instance.
-juice
Bob
What is meant by more drivable for the 2006 wrx model year? I test drove a 2005 wrx automatic wagon and a 2006 automatic wagon. The 2005 wrx seems to drive sportier due to the kick in the pants from the turbo and also seems a little rough and less refined. While the 2006 seems faster , softer, more luxurious even with 17 inch wheels the ride does not seem rough, but does feel less sporty and more refined . The 2006 wrx engine feels like a six with power coming on smoothly as oppose to the kick in the pants style of the (boy racer) 2005. Lastly in the article review it say that the new 2006 wrx looses something to the 2005 model in the mountains due to the new transmission gearing and more luxurious suspension what is meant by that statement? Please give me your opinion on the 2005 vs 2006 wrx.
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Not to take shots at you, but driving WRX automatic is like drinking non-alcoholic beer. As Seinfeld said "not that there is anything wrong with that..."
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So "living" with the new 2.5 should be a lot easier, and probably more satisfying in the long run.
Bob
-juice
(Also have an '05 Outback LL Bean). Both great cars! The WRX is still my ride of choice. Neither one gets the best mileage in the world (mid 20's)and both require premium fuel. But they are worth any addition cost involved. I use Mobil 1 in both vehicles and was sold on it by a very simple test. Get 1 quart of any regular oil (I used Penzoil 5W30) and 1 quart of Mobil 1 5W30. Open them both and dip a screwdriver into each,(use two screwdrivers) then stand up the screwdrivers and wait for the oil on each to run off. You will notice the one you dipped into the regular oil is nearly dry afer a couple of days, however the one you dipped into the Mobil 1 will be slick and oily for weeks. Kinda like using Slick 50 only cheaper, and easier.
(And they didn't pay me to say that either!)
Another thing I might add is the fact that my garage floor has never been cleaner since owning my Subarus. I haven't had to clean up any oil drips (or other fluids) since I have owned them.
I change the oil and filters every 5,000 miles and it has always been relatively clean, compared to regular oil.
I have never been happier with any other vehichle purchase.
I would not hesitate to take either car on a short drive or on a long trip, regardless of road conditions.
Ken
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I just test drove a base Audi A3 2.0T Turbo automatic with DSG transmission 200HP. The power was everywhere, and was smooth, the more you stepped on it the more it had to give I was very surprised. I am seriously considering buying a new leftover 2005 WRX automatic wagon and wanted to know if the ecu can be reflashed to give you more, even, smoother Acceleration and increase HP & TORQUE without performing any more modifications? I would like it to perform like an A3 (can't truely describe the acceleration of the A3) or a new 2006 WRX. Also how much would a reflash cost?
Bob
However, you'll have better results coupling the reflash with the v7 STi engine-back exhaust [uppipe, downpipe, midpipe and muffler].
I drive the '03 WRX 4EAT wagon, and my turbo lag is near non-existance. Power comes on quick, smooth and strong.
I must admit that I miss the kick in the pants, but I gladly trade it for the least lag.
Ecutek reflash will cost around $600 for the initial reflash, and a small fee thereafter for future reflashes.
Just a reflash will get you quicker spool but not by much. UP and DP change will make it close to the 2.5 motor.
The v7 would be the JDM STi.
-Dave
Power at the level you are talking doesn't kill the tranny, but bad shifting or driving habits might.
It may be "non-alcoholic beer" but it may be the only option that a lot of people needing a high performance relatively in-expensive AWD small wagon, would consider.
Bob
I can see only one situation when one may want one - they really want the car, but they have a girlfriend/boyfriend/spouse who absolutely refuses to drive a stick shift.
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Was this 4% number based on some published figures ? Maybe I missed seeing them, since I would be extremely surprised if this were so, especially here in the US.
Or was the move from Subaru an arbitrary move to milk the most amount of money from people who desire automatics ? I personally would refuse to buy a "limited" WRX with things like slippery leather etc which is the last thing I need in a tight handling car with 55% of the torque going to the rear wheels (other automatic Imprezas act like Front-wheel-drive vehicles for the most part). I have no use, nor would I want to pay for, automatic climate control or a moonroof either....especially since manual WRXs are available without all these things.
The reason why I ask is that they have dropped the regular Legacy GT wagon too and are forcing people to spring for the "limited" version with all kinds of un-needed luxuries and several thousand dollars more than the base GT. As we know, a base GT was available till 2005. :mad:
My local dealer got stuck with two 05 GT wagons with manuals until after February 06! I was even entertaining to trade my WRX for one, but did not do it exactly because it was not limited (wanted a sunroof at least, would not oppose a leather). Plus, 06 has a redesigned structure with better side crash rating, which made me "wait & see" even more for say 07 or even 08.
One thing I still cannot understand - they left Outback XT with manual. For me more logical would be cutting the Outback and leaving the Legacy manual, as more sporty of the two. But what do I know...
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As to slippery leather seats... Not a problem as I have an '06 WRX Limited wagon, and the leather seats keep me firmly planted, without sliding.
Bob
-juice
I take this back. The Saab 9-2X Aero (WRX) has the brake upgrade too. The WRX brakes and the Saab brakes are of the same size. So essentially, the SAAB is available with cloth etc., and automatic, for around 3 grand less than the WRX limited, after factoring in the 4000$ cash back.
More surprising are the prices for the Legacy GT Limiteds and the Outback VDCs. $35 grands+ and remaining unsold for several months. The Tribecas are even more expensive and have remain unsold for months too. Forcing people to buy "limiteds" for 1000s more does not seem to be a winning strategy !
Saab has higher-than-Impreza prices to begin with, so I doubt you'll end up paying much less. When the Employee Purchase Program was out, you could get a 9-2x Aero for $19.4k, and a WRX was running about $21 grand.
-juice
9-2X offers very little over WRX - couple of oil changes and perhaps better exterior styling, if someone likes it.
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-juice
2018 430i Gran Coupe
BUT, here is the issue: Subaru WRX Automatic is not available in the base WRX trim and only in "Limited" trim which costs around $3000 more than the base version. The SAAB Automatic Aero is available, in base trim, which is all I need. So when a base SAAB Automatic Aero is outfitted with an Automatic, it costs around $4K less than the WRX Automatic Wagon (Available as "Limited" only), when we factor in the 4K cashback. 4K is a serious chunk of change, for someone who does not need the additional stuff fetched by that money. If comparable base trims were available, I would not think twice about springing for the Subaru.
I understand that fitzmall.com has very attractive prices. But how do I get that price here in MN ? None of the dealers here would go down to any price that is close to fitzmall's.
I based my $35K+ prices, purely from reading the window stickers on the dealership lot, which put me off completely. A couple of years back, the top-of-the-line VDC wagon barely cracked the 30K barrier (sticker). At 35K plus, people would probably look closely at a lot of other alternatives in the marketplace.
As many said before - market for auto WRX is very small, in general. If SoA needed to make cuts in their lineup, this one actually made some sense, as there is a group of buyers who like speed and plush, but can't really drive (stick). As I said before, those cuts are not really driven by trying to squeeze the customer, rather it was a cost-cutting measure. They knew the'll lose customers, the question was which option would lose the fewest. Considering that Saab was still available for those who can't drive (stick), to my surprise I find this move legitimate and rational (unlike others).
2018 430i Gran Coupe
I wonder if the 4% sales number for the automatic WRX was because they only made 4% of WRXs with an automatic and thus could only sell that many ??
I wonder if the 4% sales number for the automatic WRX was because they only made 4% of WRXs with an automatic and thus could only sell that many ??
Your question is legitimate - in general. However, I think WRX has quite unique buying audience, at least in first three years. It may change in the future, as market saturates. It may be also beneficial to understanding the move when seeing percentages of auto trannys in current and previous competitive vehicles, like Mazdaspeed Protege, Dodge SRT-4, VW GTI/GLI, Cobalt SS, Ford Focus SVT. Some were available with manual only, others sell manual in large quantities. I know it will sound terrible, but if one can't drive a stick, they should learn it before attempting a car like WRX. Perhaps not fair, but that car with auto is just not right (unless it is something like DSG/SMG, which we know is not gonna happen soon).
As I said before - I don't think it was a "greed" move - rather a cost cutting. Perhaps misplaced. Subaru struggles to break their sales barriers - there is a separate thread on it.
And remember - that particular 4-speed auto is pathetic, anyway. It's not even non-alcoholic beer, it's a fat free margarine :lemon: .
2018 430i Gran Coupe
Bob
Here in DC, though, we have about 7 dealers within a reasonable distance for me, so competition for your sale is great, hence the good prices. Plus we don't get as much snow as, say, Colorado.
For you, I'd recommend looking to see if your credit union (if you belong to one) has a buying program, or maybe Costco if you're a member there. You might not get the best possible price, but it should be within a few dollars of the best deal and without any of the haggling normally associated with buying a car.
I'd also pre-qualify at your bank for a car loan if you need one, have a number in mind and tell the car dealer you'll only finance there if they meet or beat your rate at the bank.
Best of luck.
-juice
True that about the lag with the 4EAT, but some plumbing change and a reflash fixes it.
-Dave
If the lag can be fixed through reflash etc., then why would Subaru not do it right at the factory ?
Bob
That thought crossed my mind, but the work would be far too expensive.
5EAT
TCU match to 2.0l ECU
Shifter
Steering wheel, if it fits.
tech/speedo panel
what I can think.
f the lag can be fixed through reflash etc., then why would Subaru not do it right at the factory ?
Conservative approach?
The WRX is a recent introduction into the USDM.
Emission was the primary concern so the ECU was tuned to pass and 3 cats for added assurance. The 2.5l are down to 2 cats.
-Dave
Less than 5% were sold with automatics.
Bob
Being bashful on those points and slipping in an automatic on the quiet - and forcing buyers to pay for the "limited" features - obviously has not helped sell many cars. Surprised, Subaru ? :mad:
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2018 430i Gran Coupe
Likes:
• Front end styling. I think Subaru has hit upon a good "family" look for the Impreza, if not the whole Subaru lineup.
• The overall package is pretty well thought out. I'm talking about the never-ending battle between vehicle content vs. MSRP. I think it's a very good value.
• Love the looks of the new 17" wheels with red brake calibers.
• The handling is SUPER!
• Love the quick steering.
• AWD! Love it!
• Good power—and a good usable powerband.
• Reasonable gas mileage considering it's a performance car.
• Inclusion of All-Weather-Package (heated seats, mirrors & windshield) and moonroof in the Limited trim level.
Dislikes:
• There is waaaaay too much road noise coming from the tires. On certain types of roads the tire noise drives me nuts! I would like to see Subaru offer more sound-proofing in this vehicle (maybe as part of the Limited package?). This is especially needed if the brand is to move upmarket—if even only slightly upmarket.
• The moonroof is also noisy when open.
• The ride is very harsh on bad roads.
• Needs just a bit more content. See below.
Recommendations for future models:
• It needs more power outlets up front.
• I have the optional front center armrest, and it needs more padding, as it is very hard.
• I would like to see a "gear indicator," like that found on SportShift-equipped cars, as a reminder as to show what gear you're in. I would place this digital readout gear indicator at the bottom of the tach. Because of the relatively tall gearing of the '06 WRX, I often find myself cruising in 4th gear (thinking I'm in top gear), and a gear indicator would just remind me to upshift into 5th. I also know from experience driving various 6-speed manuals, because of the close-ratio gearing, that I've found it confusing to figure out if I'm in 3rd or 5th. Please note that Acura has just such a gear indicator on their 6-speed TSX models—and it's a great feature! Many motorcycles also have this feature. One more thing about this: a gear indicator would/could help owners drive the vehicle more efficiently (get better gas mileage), by cruising at lower rpms.
• Speaking of gearing, I would like to see the WRX get a 6-speed manual from the Legacy Spec.B (or STI) and the optional 5EAT SportShift.
• It needs more rear passenger legroom. A longer wheelbase would cure that.
• Offer a navigation unit on WRX Limited and STI Limited models. Actually, I would like to see it offered on ALL Subarus as an option.
• I'd like to see it with a larger fuel tank. The tank range is only so-so.
• I would like to see an STI Limited wagon offered.
Competition:
As to the other models you mentioned: If it doesn't have full-time AWD, I'm not interested. As to the EVO: I think buying any Mitsubishi is a risky thing to do. I'm not sure they will be here in the USA in 5 years.
Hope that helps.
Bob
The timing belt on this car is a PIA, requiring the turbo wastegate plumbing to be removed. Apparently it is rocket science, because it took my dealer (who admitted this was their first WRX timing belt job) no few than SIX tries over a six week period to get it back together properly, with all the parts intact. There is an airflow restrictor inside one of the wastegate vacuum hoses. After they gave the car back to me after the service, the car was seriously overboosting (18psi)and the electronic controls were cutting in to prevent engine damage. They decided the cause was cracked vacuum hoses, and proceeded to replace the hoses and THROW AWAY the restrictor valve. Without the valve, the car then would never generate more than 8 psi of boost. This led to the four week odyssey on their part to first claim the car doesn't boost over 8psi, then blame my boost gauge, then try everything in the book except what I told them they had done in the first place. I found it on a WRX forum.
In the process of all the monkeying around with the turbo, the car now throws a 'misfire on cylinder three' code and misses under load or when hot. Of course, nothing they could have done in the service or the six tries at fixing the turbo has anything to do with this....It seems pretty obvious that it is a bad plug, a bad plug wire, a bad coil or primary circuit wire or a bad computer connection, all of which they dorked with.
Anyway, if you are looking at T-belt replacement on a WRX, you might want to ask the dealer how many they have done....
On mine it turned out to be ignition wires - get this, they were chewed up by a CHIPMUNK! That in turn wreacked havoc on my ignitiono coil.
The coil was less than $80, the wires were cheap, don't recall exactly how much, but the code is all clear and it's running great now.
-juice