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And are there different tire options available on the standard rims?
jwilson1...so far all I have seen is what is in the book. It is Black flat woven cloth. Very standard for subaru. The only list I have for options is the standard site everyone else looks at. I can tell you this, most of the options he has listed are just from options for other Subarus. However that is probably how it will be. I have heard of no other rims besides the BBS and I am not even sure what tire will come on the WRX. However Subaru offers no other tire choices on other Subarus. Does this answer any of your questions?
Has anyone heard anything about leather?
And the cloth is black/BLUE woven cloth.
What drove me away in the end was:
- The Dealer's smug attitude. Wanted to give me $ 2,200- below wholesale book on my trade even though its extremely low mileage and perfect condition (an Acura too, which they could easily sell retail off the lot). That's an issue here because of the big tax advantage of a trade in.
- The car doesn't come with a power sunroof which is on lesser Imprenza models. I kinda enjoy having that.
- Loved the mechanical performance bits but I couldn't rationalize the appearance...looks kinda old to me...its an overall Subaru thing and I think they need to hire some different stylists.
- Supply and demand has everyone buzzing now but down the line, its a turbo and historically excellent cars with turbos for their time end up to never hold good resale value. Not an issue though if you lease one.
My 2 cents or less worth....
No flames here. You bring up some good points! I am going to a dealer here in Seattle on Sat. to talk about the feasibility of trading my 00' OB Ltd wagon w/auto on a WRX wagon 5spd. If I don't get close to Edmunds trade-in value for my OB (aprox $20K w/10,600 miles and all options) then I keep my OB. Either way it's a win win situation for me and I will make it clear to the dealer.
What's worse, it will actually have decent low end torque, which is what I'm after. Both mags I have read so far have said the WRX is dead below 3K! Ugh, if the price is right it is gonna be tough to choose... Wish they had made the differences a little bit more pronounced, would make the WRX appear to be even more of a bargin.
I was very close to buying a couple different cars in the last year so I have a very good idea what it is worth: $27K wholesale, $29K private party sale, $31K dealer sale.
If you check other areas on this board, you will see lots of people complaining that the dealer won't give them the book values listed here. They just aren't accurate. Most 3-year old cars depreciate 40% and the variations from this trend are typically minor. There is a good reason that most 3-year lease residuals are 60% or less.
I currently own a 2000 Passat 1.8 turbo that I easily bumped to 225 HP with only an intake, chip and exhaust, all for around a thousand dollars. I also did a few suspension modifications - Eibach springs and a Neuspeed rear sway bar with an 18" wheel/ tire package. Quite entertaining and a major sleeper (except for the 18's). I can blow the doors off biff and buffy in their 328/330 BMW's in handling and performance. I love to see their expressions after they get roasted by a VW especially in the twisties.
I'm sure you'll see similar after market mods for the WRX that will take it to another level performance-wise . I'll bet it wouldn't be hard to pull another 60+ HP out of a WRX. You won't necessarily void your warranty either, I did a lot of research on that. I've lost the VW warranty on the parts I've replaced, no big deal because the Eibach springs are warranted for the life of the car, so is the Neuspeed exhaust and sway bar - that's better than VW's warranty.
The only area that may be a problem is the computer chip, luckily some VW dealers are chip friendly and don't void the warranty - lots of VW owners modify their cars. I doubt Subaru would be as tolerant, but no problemo, I'd just be sure and have the factory ECU handy if I ever had a problem and pop that in before I took the WRX in for a warranty claim. Although my local chip freindly VW dealer also sells Subaru's.
I have a deposit in on a Mini Cooper S (supercharged), I may have to rethink that and go for a WRX wagon instead, I'll be ready for another car in a year or so. Time to do some research on the WRX just like I did when I purchased my Passat a year and a half ago.
Another is for it to have AWD/RWD, sick and tired of FWD torque steer and the feedback I get powering out of corners. So far the WRX is doing fine, but I've been complaining about the low-end oomph in my car (slightly mod'ed Neon) for years now, and it appears the WRX will have an even more substancial on/off switch.
Feel free to check out www.vwvortex.com, www.clubb5.com, www.audiworld.com or any other enthusest site for an FACTS you might require.
Heck, Car & Driver chipped thier long-term Passat with a relatively mild .8 bar Autothority chip and measured a nearly 2 second drop in the 0-60 times. Turbo engines are very different then normally aspirated engines in that they respond very well to ECU modifications.
"The WRX succeeds where Lenin failed, it gave power to the people."
"I lift off to tuck it all in neatly, and the WRX gives it all back, but then adds another 20 or 30 degrees for good measure... Such behavior can be replicated easily through either sudden lift-off or a really sharp twist of the wheel, even without throttle. And, if so minded, you could doubtless reapply welly and do some proper power-sliding. Whatever Subaru might have done to the exterior styling, the driving experience seems to have been ratcheted up.
"The steering is the big difference. The vagueness of the old car's helm is gone... Now the wheel feels unabiguous, even the smallest motions around the straight-ahead having a tangible effect on the direction you're heading in."
I hate FWD... I drive a FWD POS right now, and I cant stand it anymore... I get to sometimes drive my parents Legacy GT Limited Sedan, and the AWD and suspension on that thing is soooooo Beemerish that its almost too fun! I love the ability to Accelerate around turns and actually getting more grip cause of the AWD FWD you just start headed one way while your wheels are turned another... I HATE IT! ARG!
I was as skeptical as you until I did my research before I purchased my 2000 Passat - these are not pie in the sky numbers. Technology has changed dramatically with the new turbo engines and the 1.8t has to be among the most advanced, the engine itself is over-engineered and can easily take on massive performance gains. Everything is controlled by the ECU - timing, fuel delivery, waste gate etc. even the throttle is fly by wire - no throttle cable. VW / Audi has an extremely conservative level of tune from the factory on the A4 and Passat 1.8t's.
It's really simple to get 225 HP out of a 1.8t the first step is to make it breath better, turbo engines really respond to a low restriction intake and exhaust - that turbo needs as much cool air comming in and as little restriction as possible downstream (exhaust) to operate efficiently. I noticed an increadable improvement by adding a K&N air filter and removing some restrictions in the air box - VW already has an excellent cool air intake system. I added an Neuspeed ( www.neuspeed.com) cat back exhaust system - the catalytic converter is right after the turbo on the 1.8t so I basically replaced the entire exhaust with a 2.5" T34 stainless steel exhuast with a low restriction stainless muffler - two exhaust tips exit through the lower valence.
These two modifications alone produced a noticable torque and HP gain - independent dyno tests confirm in the neighborhood of a 25 HP gain from better breathing alone.
After I put 10k miles on the car I upgraded the ECU with Neuspeeds 1 bar VBL chip upgrade from www.greedspeed.com. This is what brought the HP up to 225 by remapping the fuel delivery, adding 1 bar of boost by reprogramming the waste gate and timing. This particular chip upgrade is one of the milder ones - this chip brings the extra HP online from around 1800 RPM, there are other, more aggressive chip upgrades that bring the power on earlier for the street racer types. Take a look at www.goapr.com. The KO4 turbo upgrade is actually old technology - a Garrett turbo upgrade is now the hot setup. You can even replace the 1.8t's turbo with a supercharger. These are just a few of the countless companies (European and American) that provide performance upgrades to this increadable engine. Any of these companies upgrade the 1.8t in stages mine is in a stage II level. 300 to 350 HP engines are possible if you have the $$$.
The most interesting thing about my Passat is drivability has not suffered at all, it has the same smooth power delivery with non existant turbo lag that the factory tuned engine had, just A LOT more power and slightly better gas mileage (in normal driving). I have a friend with a 99 BMW 328 sport package 5 speed that I just smoke in a race, not even a contest.
The A4/ Passat multilink front suspension cancels out torque steer, it simply does not exist in this FWD car. But I will not take my Passat beyond it's current performance level, anything above 225 HP requires all wheel drive IMO. The suspension (Eibachs, Neuspeed rear sway bar) and wheel and tire upgrades (225/45 18" Euro T/A's) I did were a must with this kind of performance upgrade to my Passat.
Now for the WRX - you guys have to check out March 2001 issue of Sport Compact Car magazine - the WRX is on the front cover it has an excellent article on the car and the engine design. They can't wait to get their hands on one to tweak it - they did a project Passat and A4 1.8t awhile back - I can already see that the same modifications that work for the 1.8t engine will probably be even more effective in the WRX. Here is a part of the article on the WRX engine:
" The heart of the new WRX is Subaru's carry-over 2.0-liter turbocharged EJ20 powerplant that's been powering the WRX since its introduction in the early '90's. However, to meet emissions and earn the rare (for a turbocharged car) LEV status, Subaru has taken several power-robbing liberties with the classic flat four. The biggest change has to be the use of three catalytic converters.
"Moving around to the intake tract, EJ20 fans will notice several other changes. The most conservative is the addition of swirl control valves or "tumble generators". The tumble generators are basically block-off plates placed just upstream of the fuel injectors."
and - "Subaru is now getting soft in all markets or emissions are now so high priority that this kind of thing is simply a must. We suspect it's the latter."
They loved the WRX by the way and can't wait to get their hands on one for a project car. I'm sure the first thing they'll do (as well as the aftermarket tuners for the WRX). Is have modifications for a less restrictive intake and exhaust - which will provide dramatic performance gains for the WRX. It sounds as though Subaru is choking this engine in factory tune.
as the intitial frenzy subsides. Have to find a
reasonable Dealer though in NY area. My Dealer
had no idea what the car is and when i told him, he stated that they want $2,000 over sticker for that car. Staten Island NY Subaru. BIG Question
on the Japanese Model I see a Huge Wing like on
the Skyline GTR can that be bought anywhere in the US. Cant wait i am sure the aftermarket will come out with great mods for that car.
Any comments appreciated.
Auto dimming mirror w/compass: $183
Center armrest extension: $140
(this gives extra storgage in the console area)
Security Pkg uprgrade: $225
Hope this helps. BTW, most dealers have just or are about to send in their first allocation orders which will get the cars to the dealerships around the 3rd week of March. Hopefully my salesguy was able to squeeze mine in on this batch.
~RS 2.5 (2001) Vs. WRX (2002)~
The fact of the matter is... I am a big fan of the Impreza cars. The old WRX, WRC, Impreza STi Type-R, 22B, and all of the STi Version from version one all the way to version SIX. The Japanese now came out with a band new 300plus HP Subaru name: S201 STi Version. The design of the S201 STi Version looks mean and aggressive indeed. In America, we are finally treated with a turbo version of the Impreza... what a dream come true. However, why did they change the badboy appearance (RS 2.5/WRX) to a pokemon front end appearance? The tail end of the original Impreza was nothing much to say the least. Now the band new WRX 2002 tail end has a minor improvement in the design. The front end of the WRX 2001 is just screaming to other that I am just a Cute little car. With spec like: DOHC 227hp turbocharged... this car WILL be one [non-permissible content removed] kicking beast indeed. With this cute car personality... one can almost feel that he/she is driving a body of a Dodge Neon. (No offense to Neon Owners.) What I am trying to express is... Why can't Subaru auto design team come up with a more aggressive design that will bring out the fighting machine of the new WRX 2002?
Mazda RX-8, The new "Z" car from Nissan and Skyline GTR V35 just to name a few are designing the body to be more futuristic. Auto Maker (Designer) are trying something new perhaps. Let see what happens in the future of Auto Design.
Please make suggestion or comments about what you think of the new WRX appearance. In my opinion, beauty goes with RS 2.5. The beast award goes to WRX.
Please make suggestion or comments about what you think of the new WRX appearance.
I even think the Neon-esque front end is deceptively cute and lends itself to the Q-ship mentality. Just my 2 1/2 cents.
And yeah, I ordered mine in silver too. We're all probably going to be vying for the same car! :-}
Speaking of the WRX's appearance, have you seen the headlights on the STi model? On the WRC one, there are these black plastic fillers, leaving only the two bulbs exposed, giving it a slightly more austere and purposeful appearance. If it's available later in the aftermarket, count me in! Although, I don't know how good it'd look in a silver WRX sedan. OK, maybe not.
Please STOP posting the same post in several forums.
And theres nothing "neon-esque" about it. Wait until you see it in person before you judge it! :P
alias you mentioned some excellent examples where cars loke the EVOs, WRX, Skylines look raw and hard. The big wing that comes with those cars were required to hold the rear down as they are so powerful. But on a 165hp car which weighs 200lbs more than the WRX (old trim weighs 2600lbs!) it is rather silly looking. Not to mention the non functional scoop. You know how embarrass I get when ppl asked me what the scoop is for? I have nothing to say except to cook up some cockmamee story about the turbo is no legal here, therefore Subaru took away the turbo for my car leaving a useless scoop on my hood!
On the homologated cars you mentioned, every single ducts, grilles, scoop found on the car were useful to their performance. If they don't have to put it, I am sure they won't. I highly doubt Prodrive (Subaru's Rally team tuner) would add a spoiler or somekinda scoop in the name of styling. It's function over form. Take care.
As for the version we get here which is the 2.5RS... well, I can only accept the appearance of it due to the fact that it looks just like the one I saw in my mother land so~. The hood scoop and other non functional parts is such a shame indeed. What if Subaru decided to bring the Impreza equipped with turbocharged outputting 250hp STi version 7 out in America with the raceboy looks... How do you think people will react? Hmmm? (^_~) (Move over Mustang) hehe~
For the people who still likes the meanboy looks... they can indeed install a turbo STi kit at Stage 1 and get an output of 300hp which only cost $4000 with labor. That brings the total of $25k just like the WRX with more hp. Which also making the hood scoop usable as well! (^_*)
Inclosing, thank you so much for inputting your opinion on this subject. This has been fun indeed. I am looking forward to hearing more responses on this WRX design from everyone one of you. Much thanks to you Ramon. Take care likewise~