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Cuz I'm getting a bunch o'stuff(polo/denim shirts, denim/microfiber jackets, caps) embroidered as we speak. Not to mention the T-shirt order I've got going.
Though, I really could use a die-cast model of our LS!
Brian
I would generally agree with previous respondees and say "All of the above, please." Caps, shirts, jackets, models would all be nice, as would pens, cufflinks, umbrellas and such.
From an availability standpoint, I think that major auto shows and Lincoln events would be good places to test such gear--you could gauge public reaction and see what sort of interest might be generated. It would be nice to see items in the Lincoln showroom, as well; I would imagine that the new Premium dealerships would have merchandise & accessory areas, would they not?
A web-based catalog would, I think, be essential. Something that's frustrating for me is the fact that some of the items mentioned WERE available through the Icollection site. Lincoln caps, shirts, and jackets were at one time in the catalog, but now the Icollection site (apparently) no longer exists, and the "new" Ford merchandise site conspicuously lacks Lincoln-branded items--they've simply disappeared. When I went to find a Lincoln cap and/or shirt, all I found was a scale model of a limo and nothing else.
I realize that the car itself is what's important, and that clothing and accessories are sidebar items, but if Lincoln is going to make such things available that availability must be consistent and the items must be easy to acquire.
The online catalog must be easy to find (linked from both the Lincoln and Ford websites), easy to use (currently, response time from Ford websites is poor, IMHO), and easy to navigate (good photos of each item, with online ordering capability). In comparison with BMW and Mercedes accessories, I think Lincoln is very far behind the curve.
Am I interested in Lincoln merchandise? You bet, and thanks for asking!
Note to Brian: Of COURSE I want LLSOC stuff, too. Johnnylinc is obviously a clothes horse. ;-)
One final thought. My 00 LS8 is the sixth Lincoln I have owned (I am only 36 yrs old). I rec'd a complimentary tube of touch up paint with all other Lincolns but not this one. Think it was a nice touch (no pun intended) to receive them in the mail. Such simple things can bring soo much pleasure.....
The gray Polo shirts sported by the Barret-Jackson crew at the inaugural Mania event in Irvine were very nice. Nicely embroidered "Lincoln LS" in black over the left breast the with the Lincoln star on the sleeve. Any chance of obtaining something like that anytime soon?
icollection (or what is now www.ford.onlinestore.com) was mentioned several times. You are right Lincoln is completely void there, that is due in part to us. We want to put the right products out there on the right site, which is part of my reason for asking. Same with the catalog, would need to be specific to Lincoln and to LS of course!
I will definitely check out the Chevy site, always looking for good examples.
All your comments are great.. I am taking them all in... and you have confirmed that there is a "void" here... especially for specific, unique things.
Humm......a scale model personalized Aqua Blue LS
The post number you see here is relative to the number of posts that actually exist today in the discussion. The number the "go" box tries to find is relative to the number of posts that have ever existed.
So it can't be exact - it gets you close, then you just need to use the "Scroll Up" or "Scroll Down" choices to find exactly what you are looking for.
I hope this helps.
Pat
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Also re: touch up paint: Lincoln sends it to you after purchase.
Regarding LS items. Since my brother-in-law regularly traveled to the Jag plant in England on Ford business, I often reminded him of my upcoming 50th birthday and my fondness for British Racing Green. Kind but cheap guy that he is, he presented me with a very nice Jag key fob - in British Racing Green. Would have preferred the car, but the fob is classy.
It would be nice to trade that for an LS model.
Tom...
These would be dynamite additions for the LS.These are not the run of the mill stuff but if you could figure out a way that they could be offered....send me an order form.
http://www.bmwonline.com
And here's one for Mercedes:
http://www.thecollection.mbusa.com/
Obviously, BMW and M-B have been at this sort of thing for quite a while, and their owner bases support a large variety of catalog items, but it seems from our comments that the very enthusiastic LS owner community would be interested in a similar (albeit necessarily smaller) catalog.
To expand the discussion: On the Chrysler website, when you use the "build your own" feature to configure a vehicle, they actually list the dealer-added Chrysler accessories available for that specific vehicle and allow you to include them in the configuration.
They even give you part numbers and retail prices so that you can order them through the dealer or get them online. This is a really handy feature. I found out about the LS splash guards and obtained the part numbers right here on the Edmunds forum, but it would've been nice to be able to get that information through the Lincoln website, too.
http://www.edmunds.com/chat/editor4aday.html
I think it would be neat to see an LS owner's article appear on Edmunds. Note that the entry deadline is THIS FRIDAY, March 16, and you have to write an essay to enter. (And you all thought you were THROUGH with essay tests, didn't you?)
Artie--are you paying attention? Consider this a challenge. Or a dare, if you prefer.
Artie
I was chiefly interested in clothing, but it looks like Brian's got that covered (no pun intended). However, I'd still like a second source for that. All the other posts have pretty much touched on everything I could think of. I'll just add that I think umbrellas in matching LS interior colors would be a nice touch. How about mugs or beer glasses? A dedicated catalogue is a great idea. Lastly, I would love a die cast model and build video.
However, given that yesterday my '00 LS8's heated seats have failed yet again and my airbag warning light is now back on after 5 past attempts to rectify, I'm willing to concede that on the basis of my own experience, it seems hard to believe the LS8 received an average reliaiblity rating for electrical systems. So maybe you are right. Are the LS6 and LS8 both below average in this survey area?
I haven't complained before about this because, all things considered, I don't consider it very important but...
I leased my 2001 LS in October 2000 and as of today I have not received any gifts... no glasses, no pen, no paint, nada.
I don't know if this is because my car is leased, or it is a 2001 model, or I'm just unlucky.
Should I mention this to Mr. Rogers?
Joe
I think you just did.
I am sure that what some of us are experiencing is the fact that some dealers might have tried to enhance the LS buying experience with some extra spiffs. I have only heard of the crystal glasses as a factory gift. The other items, despite coming from L-M might be a product of the PR of the dealer. Maybe they felt they were not getting enough bang for the buck and stopped doing it. As some have said here, my dealer is no longer a L-M dealer and I am not sure they really ever had their heart in it.
Dont want to promote them for free here, but If anyone in the Rockville area needs the work, I can pass on their name/number. Had to leave it overnight, but it was well worth it.
Regarding the chrystal flutes, you all should have received them, as they were a gift from Lincoln directly. Many of the other items you mentioned come from the dealer, although the silver case (about a year or 2 ago) did come from Lincoln.
Joe and Mark, if you give me some specifics (or feel free to email me at kroznows@ford.com) I will pass onto Jim and the Brand Manager for LS and make sure you get the chrystal flutes.
I just need your name, address and VIN number of your LS.
Please send me an email with more details on the portable carport. Manufacturer, size, wind resistance, your satisfaction with it, etc.
I sent you an email but it bounced ... undeliverable.
Gary
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Since washing the car a couple of times in the last week, I've noticed some "scuffs" in the surface of the paint. I realize that the EPA has required the paint manufacturers to remove as many of the VOCs from the paint as possible, but I think that they've gone too far. IMHO, the paints in use today no longer have the inherent durability of the finishes of years gone by.
The LS is only 10 months old, with 6500 miles, and a few "scuffs" from either road debris, or someone brushing against the car have already appeared. It's not only a Ford thing, however, as my 4 year old, 25,000 mile S-10 pickup is a mess already, and my 5.5 year old, 39,000 mile Z-28 really needs a total repaint. None of this is collision damage or door dings, etc. I'm talking strictly paint damage by abrasion.
I realize that in order to curb pollution, some measures are taken that have inherent drawbacks. However, if you have to have your car regularly touched-up/repainted in order to look good and/or resist rust, what has been gained in terms of pollution reduction ??
Obviously, more paint will ultimately be sprayed on to the car during it's lifetime if the OE paint isn't durable. And it goes without saying that some of that paint, along with it's thinners, reducers, etc; will then wind up in the atmosphere anyway. So, what did we save ??
Do I need the goggles and Nomex for this one ?????
The LS Waterford Flutes -- if for Sale, might allow me to increase my collection (if for free, click on my email in my profile...)
LS ball caps
I would buy via website, not from a dealer. Of course, the prices should listed on the internet will hopefully not be similar to those found at a dealership... (let's hope!)
Thanks,
Brian
Other things, clothing (like jackets and polo shirts) done with the style of a BMW or MB rather than a giant truck rally Chevy logo. ;-) Key chains, a metal model, photos (well shot pics of the car, and particularly cutaways and technical drawings/photos of the engine and suspension), attractive but obviously car related desk clocks, etc. Lots of things would work well. I haven't felt the need to own a car jacket since my Scirocco days when I rallied a lot and had a VW rally jacket.
And of course a nice embroidered towel for the car, everyone knows you just don't go anywhere without your towel!
11123 1.75" inlet/outlet offset-center
11113 1.75" inlet/outlet cnter-center
I was unaware that because I leased my LS under the X-Plan, that I was not qualified to get the flutes. This seems fair given the savings I made from the plan.
Once again...LM got it right.
Joe
It is an amazing phenomenon, isn't it, to think we are one age and then figure out that the reality says something different. ;->
This isn't exactly what you asked, but I just wanted you to know that I can fully relate.
Pat
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I had intended to respond to your prior post about the loudness and resonance you were experiencing with the prototype MagnaFlow system. That really surprised me.
If memory serves, the part number on my mufflers was 11226.
And I consider it precisely the correct balance of deeper and mellower and louder - without excess noise and no resonance at any speed. I have received feedback from several people that it is 'authoritative' without being offensive - from inside or outside the vehicle. In fact, up to almost exactly 80 mph (at cruise throttle openings) I can't hear the exhaust.
HTH.
- Ray
Happy owner of MagnaFlow system since December 1999.......
How about an intake or exhaust valve or piston from the 3.9L engine mounted on a mahogany plaque. It would make a good conversation piece for one's desk at work.
Scott
I guess my dealer really liked me because I got the glasses, the pen, the silver box and the touch up paint.
Bruno
What I did was buff the entire car with a random orbital buffer using 3M "Fine Cut" rubbing compound on a terry pad. This stuff will not harm your clearcoat. It is designed to remove either 1200 or 1500 grit sanding scratches depending on the strength you get, so it's really fine. I was very pleased with the results. The finish became glass smooth and shiny and most of the scuffs came out. I did this last summer and no new "scuffs" have appeared since. I am also fanatical about where I park. I'll walk a ¼ mile to the mall if I have to. There are people who choose to drive themselves rather than go with me because they know they are in for a hike. (Most of them could use the exercise).
If you're not into doing this yourself, I'm sure a detail shop could take care of it.
BTW- 5½ years, 39K miles is disgraceful for the Camaro to need a complete repaint. If you think this is due to a factory defect, you may have recourse. I know there is a website devoted to Chrysler paint problems. There is probably one or more for GM cars also. Check around. These people have had success with older cars than yours by threatening small claims court.
You make an interesting point about the net effect of pollution laws vis-a-vis paint usage. Kind of reminds me of the "water-saver" toilets that use 1.5 gallons per flush. Only trouble is, you have to flush them 6 times as often in order to not have an overflow. Or, the "nonpolluting" electric cars because we don't have to figure on the additional electricity that has to be generated to recharge them. Sorry for the rant. I seem to be doing a lot of this lately. My wife must be right. I'm turning into an old crumudgeon.
1) Is this a deal?
2) Will I be missing out without the audiophile system?
3) Dealer says they can put in moonroof for $1000, is this risky, how good is the quality of doing this?
4) How much do loaded V8 2001's with moonroof sell for currently?
Thanks. Direct emails also appreciated.
DJL
Both of these issues have been discussed at length in previous posts, and at LLSOC.com, and neither is a big deal. Don't know what new 2001s are selling for but every one I've seen has a sticker price over $40k.
Scott
With regard to the Camaro, I don't think that the paint job was "defective", rather the paint formulas of today just aren't durable. Combine this with the increased level of debris that seems to be on the road today, and the car is in somewhat less that great shape.
P.S. I also park the car quite a way from the crowd wherever I go. My wife just LOVES that.
1) If the car is new, i.e. very few miles and never registered, it's probably a reasonable deal. A 2000 V8 Sport with CD changer and AdvanceTrac should list for $38,225 if it has no other equipment (phone, heated seats, & tricoat paint would bump the price), and the invoice would be $34,673. According to Edmunds, there is a $3,000 dealer incentive on the '00 LS, so you'd still be getting the car at around $1,000 below "cost" if you include the advertising fee.
Be sure that the car has never been registered or put into service. The warranty begins with the service date--if the car is a demo, then the warranty began when it went into demo service. Be sure you find out exactly how much warranty you'll get. (It's 4 years/50k miles when the car is new.)
2) Lincoln stopped putting the Audiophile stereo in the Sport early in the '00 model year, so you couldn't get the Audiophile anyway. If the stereo is inadequate for your needs, you can always do an aftermarket upgrade as scottc8 suggested. (The '01 Alpine Sport stereo is better than the standard unit, but you still can't get the full-tilt Audiophile in an '01 Sport.)
3) A dealer-installed moonroof would not be my choice. Even though the unit would likely be the same as the factory uses (I'm guessing it's made by ASC), I'd be afraid of letting someone cut a hole in my roof. One area of concern is the drain holes--would they be installed, and would they be installed correctly?
Also, I don't know if the factory uses extra bracing, but this probably wouldn't be present in an aftermarket installation. It might not open with the keyfob, either. You'd just need to have a serious discussion with the dealer and installer regarding the quality and, more importantly, the guarantee. Will the dealer guarantee the moonroof as if it was a factory installation, i.e. for the duration of the warranty?
4. You can use Edmunds to calculate the price of an '01 LS and figure on getting one at $1000 over invoice (or probably a few hundred less, depending on your shopping ability) including the advertising fee. A rough guess is that a comparable '01 would probably be $4,000-$6,000 more than the '00 you're looking at for $31k. Note that the '01 currently has a "free" CD changer, which reduces the window sticker price by $605. The '01 also includes all maintenance for the first 3 years/36k miles, but you can buy this package for the '00 from your dealer.
Like I said, these are only opinions, and quick ones at that; your experience may vary greatly, and you'll need to do some research. Hope this helps. No matter which way you go, it's a GREAT car.
I would definitely price a new one and compare before deciding. For me it would have to be more than just a few thousand cheaper to make it worthwhile. Then again, I almost always order my vehicles through the fleet sales dept. because I'm very picky on which options I do or do not want. It doesn't sound like a good enough deal to compromise on options that you think you really want like the moonroof, but if you're ok with it I think you could talk them down under 30K. But you gotta ask yourself why it's been there so long. Caveat Emptor.