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What car do you like better? The better deal is the car you will be happiest with!
Bill
to the target x-type market, the ls being bigger is not a plus, it is a negative more for many of us, a big negative. if we wanted a big car we'd buy an s-type, or a 530, or an e320, or an ls, or an a6. this car is aimed at the 3-series, c-class, a4 market, NOT the 5-series, e-class, a6, and yes, ls market. if you want a bigger car, buy a bigger car, don't waste your time with the x-type. if you're still interested in a jaguar, look at an s-type.
and by the way, the x-type is not only better handling than the ls, it's faster too (ls 0-60 7.5 sec, 1/4 mile 16.5 sec, x-type 0-60 6.6 sec, 1/4 mile 15.1 sec). it's quicker and better handling because it's smaller, stiffer, and more powerful pound for pound. it's in a different class. stop comparing them, it's silly.
not that i don't like this open discussion or anything.....
The S-type looked more sensuous in comparison to the more aggressive X-type, which looked like a baby XJ Sedan. The trunk space was quite impressive for its diminutive overall length, though the back seat seems to suffer. Trunk bigger than cars like LS & S-type or 5 Series.
exactly! it's aimed at the 3-series. a fully loaded X-Type 3.0 will be very similar in price to a 330xi, ditto for a 2.5 X-Type and a 325xi. they're also close to the m-b c320 and c240. similar in power and size as well. there should be no question what the competition is, it's perfectly clear.
euro mags have done comparisons. the players are always the x-type, 3-series, c-class, a4 and then sometimes a lexus is, sometimes a volvo s60.
two prime examples are "what car?" (x-type won) and "evo" (x-type 2nd, bmw 1st).
Too bad for us that the number and type choices of cars is much greater in Europe than in America. They have a much wider selection of makes (e.g., Renault, Peugeot, Fiat, etc.), models (getting cars from mfgs who sell here but won't sell that particular model here), engines (e.g., diesels in most lines), transmissions (prefering manuals over automatics), etc.
I think comparisons are in the mind of the buyer. A $43,000 loaded 3.0 auto Sport X-type might be a legitimate comparison to a $40,000 Lexus GS300 or $42,000 530i. Then again the base $30,000 2.5 manual X-type might compete against a 325i, A4, or IS300. I'm guessing you'll be hard pressed to find an X-type on a dealer's lot that is priced below $34,000.
Bill
If dealers won't stock and Jag doesn't really want to sell a base X-type, then why bother pushing the under $30,000 price? Minute you get to dealership your jaw drops looking at $34-44,000 X-types. Does Jag really need to use price leader gimmick to move good metal? Why not make standard the "necessary" equipment and sell it that way? Seems so "unBritish" to try and fool an educated aristocratic elite who might be inclined to jump for a BRG Jag. Do they try the price leader ruse in merry old England? Guessing the cheapest USA '03 X-type will move up past $30,000 barrier anyway.
as for comparisons being in the mind of the buyer i agree to an extent. when you eliminate class (size) from the equation, and start using base cars vs fully loaded cars the comparison loses all relevance. there is a jag designed to compete with the gs300 and 530i, it's called an s-type. it starts at $43k, notice how similar in price to the gs300 and 530i. you'll also notice similar power and size. the x-type isn't inteded or designed to compete with the cars you're comparing them to. you are trying to force a square peg into a round hole by making this "comparison". i highly suggest you look at an s-type, it'll match far more of your needs of you choose to look at a gs300 or 530i as competition.
as for concentrating on the mondeo, that's just trying to find negatives. the passat is far, far more similar to an a4/a6 than the mondeo is to the x-type. a camry is far, far more similar to an es300 than a mondeo is to an x-type. an accord is far, far more similar to a TL than an x-type is to a mondeo. in fact a camry is far, far more similar to an rx300 than an x-type is to a mondeo (40% shared). i don't see anyone saying you should compare a camry to an explorer because the camry is the base of the rx300! the x-type and mondeo share about 20% of their parts, and most of those "shared" have been modified by jaguar. they are not the same car. they do not drive the same. the do not feel the same. they do not look the same.
as for the price leader "ruse" in england, they're far worse there than here. in england things like power windows (front and rear are separate items!), leather and climate control are options! you get far less in the base car there than you do here.
i apologize in advance for my rant, i just can't let stuff like that go without saying anything.
Then I drove the X-Type 2.5 manual (non-Sport) and it was nice, had the AWD so I could let my wife use the Tahoe in the bad weather, but it was not quite fast enough. Then the dealer got a 3.0 Sport in and it fits the bill!
The car accelerates very quickly (yes there is a real difference in the 2.5 and the 3.0), handles brilliantly (the Sport package isn't just bigger bolstered seats and blacked-out/body-color trim), the transmission shifted smoothly and lightly, and it was quiet. The interior is first class (we have owned Jaguars in the past and it continues the tradition). After more than one look, the black stained wood trim seemed to fit the nature of the car. The only drawbacks are the lack of an in-dash CD (you can only play a CD if you get the in-trunk changer), and the single front seat cupholder. The car was totally rattle free. I was told that you can order just the CD changer with the regular radio for about $800. I tried several audio houses and they do not have anything they believe will fit the X-Type. The Jaguar parts department has all the pieces if you want to do it yourself for about $600.
I have visited three dealers that are within a reasonable one-hour drive. Two were well mannered and knowledgeable about the car, the other did not know much about the car and, despite follow-up calls on my part, never called back. I believe that, as in any other line of work, people make the difference, and this one dealer's representatives were the exceptions to the rule.
I am trying to decide between Platinum and Titanium. I am glad I visited this site as my only reason not to order the Titanium was the slight blue tone to it. If the replacement color is all gray-scale I will probably order that.
I personally like the look of Titanium over Platinum, but, as we speak, Silver cars are running for higher prices on the used market than new ones.
I.E. Silver has better resale... Its' almost always a "safe" color, while Greys can be fickle..
Just a thought if you are kinda "swaying the fence"
Bill
that should convince you!
Ford has done nothing but good for Jaguar...I seriously don't think the X-type is a case of the Cimmaron, for one reason - you're already starting with an excellent car as the basis.
Steve
On the downside, the hood was impossible for me to open and once I did, I found the engine compartment's refill fluids were poorly arranged. Lastly, the plastic grill that's attached to the hood felt very cheap. I can imagine that breaking without much effort.
Nice car, but my inability to access the engine compartment has X-ed it off my list.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
Have you bought or shopped for a 3-Series BMW, C-Class Mercedes, Jaguar X-Type or other small sports sedan since Sept 11? If so, your comments are of great interest. Please get in touch with me via jfallon@edmunds.com.
You may also drop by the Smart Shopper discussion at this link to respond: prlady1 "Talk to the Press" Oct 8, 2001 1:48pmThanks as always,
Jonathan Welsh
The Wall Street Journal
The Westin Hotel down the street is having some sort of X-Type Fantasy Drive and has had a half dozen X-Types on display in front of the hotel. Anyone know anything about this promotion?
While I've considered the X-Type for my next car (Nov. 2002) I kind of lost interest. After seeing this display I'm very impressed. I fell in love with a racing green 2.5 with ivory trim. Thought I wanted a Sport Package, but I think without the chrome the car is too generic and less Jaguar-like.
A 2.5 automatic with a premium packeage would top out around $35000. I'm looking to lease and may have access to an x-plan. Wonder what kind of payment we're talking about. A year from now of course, there may be more deals on the car.