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  • newcar31newcar31 Posts: 3,711
    Chikoo--I haven't seen that before, they DO make the Pure 1 filters for the Protoge? If I remember right, I looked it up in the Purolator catalog and they didn't even have a number for the protoge for the Pure 1 filters. Edmund--Toyota Camry 4 cyls have small filters, about the same size as the factory Protoge filter. As far as oil filters are concerned, the factory Mazda filter for our cars is about as small as you can get, I've never seen any that are significantly smaller and I have seen A LOT of oil filters. To everyone else--Beware of parking lots. There are always people out that are careless about other peoples' property. I place more value on a sack of dog crap, than on someone like that. Fowler, thats pretty funny that you made that woman cry. If I caught a guy that did that to my car, he would be limping AND crying as he walked back to his car. ;)
  • mazdafunmazdafun Posts: 2,329
    Wow, some big differences in how they're trimmed for US and Canada. The LX here has power locks & windows, height & tilt adjustable driver's seat and power windows standard.

    What I know the differences are:
    no rear disc brakes (drums only)
    1.6L standard, 2.0L engine optional
    ABS only available with power moonroof option (dumb combination, IMHO)
    black gauge faces v. white
    different upholstery choices
    smaller wheels, taller tires
    no standard spoiler (better, IMO)
    no fog lamps (dealer or DYI add-on)
    green IP lighting v. red
    smaller disc rotors up front

    That's all I recall from sitting and looking at the two. I'm sure there're more.
  • mazdafunmazdafun Posts: 2,329
    Wow, that's one good deal. Good looking care up-close too, especially in red. :)

    I guess what I was laughing at before were the two light clusters next to the rear license plate. In any color than red, they stand out and look like a pair of fangs. With the outer light clusters, the whole rear reminded me of a cartoon monster. Too much exposure to the cartoons my kid likes to watch, I guess. :)

    Anyhoo, I'll be taking a test drive sometime to see what it's like compared to the P5.
  • steveb70steveb70 Posts: 15

    I'm new to the Protege board. As I contemplate replacing my 1994 Chevy Corsica, I've been looking at the 2000 Protege ES and LX models (still under factory warranty), along with the 2001 Hyundai Elantra. I'd rather Zoom Zoom ;-), but I must stay within a certain price range. With taxes included (I live in Colorado), I'd like to stay within the $12,000 range.

    Can I find a 2000 ES or LX in this price range, or are my expectations out of whack? Did the 2000 LX have the 2.0 engine as an option? If not, how does the 1.6 engine perform?

    Finally, how difficult is it to still find 2000 models on Mazda dealer lots? I haven't looked yet in the Denver area, but they're hard to find where I live.

    Thanks for any information,
  • jstandeferjstandefer Posts: 805
    Looking at, there are plenty of 2000 Protege LX and DX models available under $12,000. It looks like the good majority of them are DX automatic models from Hertz Auto Sales. For 2000, only the ES had the 1.8L engine, with the LX and DX models having only the 1.6L. The 1.6L is not a bad engine with the 5-spd, but automatics are a bit on the slow side. It all depends on your driving style, and the 1.6L automatic may suit you.

    Are you looking at spending a maximum of $12,000 because you are paying cash? Or are you considering a certain payment that you want to stay under? With 0.0% financing, big discounts, and possibly the S-Plan, you may be able to get a brand new 2001 Protege for close to the same payments of the used one. And, if you are paying cash for it, why? If Mazda will let you borrow money for free, why not stick that $12,000 into a high yield account or investment and let it make money for you instead?


  • jstandeferjstandefer Posts: 805
    BTW, the side-impact airbags are available on the LX and ES model Protege's in two different packages. Either you can get the LX or ES Premium Package with power moonroof, side airbags, and ABS, or you get the side airbag/ABS package separately.
  • protege_fanprotege_fan Posts: 2,405
    Just a quick note...
    Side airbags are NOT available on any trim level in Canada. Not sure why but they aren't....kinda disappointing.
  • mazdafunmazdafun Posts: 2,329
    I'm glad Mazda now offers the side airbag/ABS separately from the power moonroof. Thanks for the tip.

    If it'd been offered that way when I got my 99, I'd have gotten the side bags and ABS. I just won't fit into the Pro with the power moonroof.
  • I thought they weren't available in the 99 models...
  • chikoochikoo Posts: 3,008
    my dealer in philly has brand new 2000 ES's (not pre-owned) still on the lot. He is willing to let them go for somewhere around $12000.

    Great deal for an unused car....if you don't mind the 1 year depreciation it has accrued.
  • chikoochikoo Posts: 3,008
    The mazda OEM filter is still big compared to the Mobil-1 filter that is recommended for the ES - M1-108.
    Dimensions of the box : 2.5"x2.5"x2.5"
    Guess the the size of the filter it holds ;)
  • mazdafunmazdafun Posts: 2,329
    That's about the size of the box my Mazda filters come in (a little cube). The factory-installed filter was about 50-percent longer. Thus my consternation. I notice the oil gets quite dark before 7500 miles (or even 5000) rolls around.
  • mazdafunmazdafun Posts: 2,329
    If they'd been available in '99, I'd have gotten them. As it was, they weren't. :(

    Owners of newer models should be glad they got 'em if they have them as they add another star to the side-crash protection ratings.

    Oh well, were I to buy today, I'd be choosing between the P5 and the Elantra GT (probably the P5 as the full 5-dr hatch design allows more cargo volume than the hatch-back design used by the GT). Too bad we don't get the Speed20 version of the P5 state-side. That would be a WRX-kicker, and looks WAY better too.
  • mgnairmgnair Posts: 1
    Does anyone know if the rear door speakers are supposed to work on the MP-3? Mine do not currently. It says 6 speakers on the window sticker and owner's manual.
  • chikoochikoo Posts: 3,008
    I think I found the tires ...

    that all of us are looking for :

    Good Handling, Quite and Soft ride with a good bit of performance to it.

    DUNLOP SP5000 is it.

    check out these reviews.

    or these
    if you are willing to go 205/55R15

  • compensatecompensate Posts: 212
    If your MP-3 is like my Protege ES, my rear doors have speaker grilles in them, but there are no speakers behind the grills. My rear speakers are in the rear deck. I guess the grilles are there in case I want to add rear door speakers.

    Not sure if your MP-3 is the same, though, as my Protege has only 4 speakers.
  • nikecarnikecar Posts: 460
    I believe Pure1 makes filters for the Protege, its MOBIL1 that doesn't make the filters...

    I seem to recall me buying PureOne for both our ccars at the last oil change...
  • chikoochikoo Posts: 3,008
    Both Mobil1 and Pure1 make filters for the ES.

    Mobil1 - M1-108 (teeny weeny itsy bitsy)
    Pure1 - check 20 posts back... i had the number posted.
  • momgraymomgray Posts: 18
    So we FINALLY got the test drives in, I really liked the ES (although I also liked the LX too, the ES handled sooo nice).

    We've been doing our number crunching, realized we had more in the credit union saved for a down payment than we thought we had, realized we MAY (this one is iffy) actually be able to get a few hundred for our 1989 Toyota Camry with a V6 (it runs...) so after debate, etc. - we're going to go for the ES!!!!! with abs and moonroof!! in dark green!! (i'm really trying to NOT over do those exclamation marks, but it's very hard).

    I joined EAA, awaiting membership number so I can get my PIN for the S-Plan, getting everything together to bring to the dealership for the 0% financing and if everything is in place we'll be there this SATURDAY. If they don't have the car in stock, we'll order it. Dark Green. We're going to Jacobs Twin in Chicago - anyone been there? We test drove at Roto in Arlington Heights - thought the sales guy was very low pressure and I like that, but it's pretty far away (we were in the neighborhood for something else and found the nearest Mazda dealer).

    Oh, and my step dad really wants me to forward all the EAA magazines etc. - he's been debating joining them for years and now can reap some of the benefits whilst I enjoy others.

    I will be back soon ... if not this weekend, the following (barring unforseen circumstances).

    zoom zoom zoom (although I have to say the music on their website bugs me).
  • Coming out of lurk mode (I've read all of the Protege messages in all of the different boards going back to the start of this year -- I feel like I know you folks) to respond to Momgray re: Jacobs Twin experience.

    I bought a Honda Odyssey from Jacobs Twin via Autobytel in 11/99. The purchase experience was pretty good, but for three things:

    First, they really lowballed me on my trade. I was in a jam because my younger son was born the day I was supposed to pick up the van (we'd been waiting for it for 3+ months), so I did not have time to do the whole CarMax thing. They won on that one. But I got a good price for the van, so in the end we were only talking a couple hundred dollars probably. Anyway...

    Second, the F & I guy tried to sell me some off-brand extended warranty and claimed it was a Honda-backed warranty. A flat out lie. I couldn't believe he was so bold.

    Third, there was a problem with the upholstery on one of the seats, and they were great about ordering the replacement, but when I drove the hour to drop the thing off for the repair I found that they had mistakenly sent the stuff back to Honda. So I had to make another trip in a week later. Makes me think twice about buying from somebody other than my local guy next time.

    Again, other than those three things, I thought it was a good experience. You can search their inventory at Note that they have very few ES's in stock, and they've loaded most of the Proteges with plenty of options.

    FYI, they do seem to have some P5s in stock if you lean that way. Not that there's anything wrong with that. ;-)

    Thanks for the good reading, guys. I lurk every day. I expect to buy an ES 5-speed to replace my 1992 Accord coupe as soon as the 2002 incentive season starts. Oh, and take it easy on the poor Hyundai guys. They've drunk the KoolAid and they don't know any better.

  • momgraymomgray Posts: 18
    We're in the city itself. There's Old Orchard Mazda - which I hear has awful salespeople but great service. It's about 15 minutes from where I work, 35 minutes from home in good traffic. Once I get the car I'll be taking it there for service, but not sure I want to deal with their salespeople after some of the stories I've heard. There's Jacobs (maybe 20 minutes away from home, an hour from work), there's Roto (maybe 1 hour away from home, 30 from work), and I'm blanking on the others, they were in the 45 minutes to 2 hours range.

    Thanks for the heads up on the F&I guy ... I just want to qualify for the 0% financing, no extended warranties, no other extraneous expenses.

    As for the trade - well, right now if we get anything we'd be happy (but that's another topic).

    Thanks again.
  • The 0.0% interest is a great deal. Makes you wonder how Mazda is making money.
  • fowler3fowler3 Posts: 1,919
    My neighbor across the street has been renting cars for over a year now. That's renting, not leasing. When he moved here he was driving a Dodge Intrepid; then a few months later he drove up in a Mercury Sable; the Sable was replaced by a Nissan Maxima which has been in his driveway for at least 5 months; then the first of August he gets a Dodge Stratus. All those cars were 2001 models.

    Yesterday, in his driveway sits...the only car he has had with a 30-day tag on it...a 2001 Mazda Protegé LX 2.0 in silver with a spoiler, painted mirrors, steel wheels with plastic covers, and automatic tranny. After all those other cars I guess the Pro is the best for his needs, too.

    I can’t figure out why no alloy wheels if it has painted mirrors, buying it this late and with the rebates. If he traded those alloys I sure would have liked to have had them.

    Story of my life: add that to the list of the things I've missed. :P

  • fowler: I have a set of 17" konig tantrums that might help you ease the pain :)
  • newcar31newcar31 Posts: 3,711
    I just went to the parts store today and looked up the Purolator Pure 1 oil filter in the brand new Purolator catalog for my car (01 ES 2.0L) and there is no number for it. There isn't a number for the 99-00 cars either which use the same filter. The DO make them for other mazdas, but not mine. ??????????
  • fowler3fowler3 Posts: 1,919
    Thank you very much but I think 17" wheels would be too large for my LX 2.0, it uses 15" wheels (four lugs). They might look like those 17" wheels on BMW 3-series. LOL

    Have you ever looked at the wheels in I haven't seen any I liked or as nice as the Mazda wheels. Most are downright ugly. Makes you wonder who buys them.

  • ashutoshsmashutoshsm Posts: 1,007
    I'm considering buying some 5-spoke wheels from tirerack for my 95 DX to replace the Bo-Ring 13 inch steel wheels. Don't know which ones, yet, and don't even know if I'll go with 14 or 15 inch wheels. Don't say they're all ugly, I have to pick one of those designs!

    Any suggestions, people, about which size I should upsize to? I'm going to end up in the DC-Metro are in a few months (no, I won't be able to make the MAPP-2, although I wish I could!). So base it on whether 15's would be too low profile for the DC-area winters and the snow there. Here, in UT, I would go with the 14's for sure.

    Also, as I understand it, 14" tires are cheaper. And I have the option of keeping my 13" wheels with all-season tires for winter, unless they'd fetch anything respectable at E-Bay! One score for the 14's and the 15's each!

    Oh, I figured I'd also ask if anyone who upgraded to 16 or 17 inch mags has their Mazda 15's for sale :-)

  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    No one on the Protege5 topic has responded to my announcement about MAPP II. And other than the interest shown by the "core group" a week and a half ago, I've seen very few comments here. While I won't be upset if this year's MAPP is merely a repeat of last year's, it would be nice to see some new faces and new cars ... especially since some of us have upgraded on our '99s and '00s and there are a few miles on the odo's now. I'm especially interested in comparing tires, as I expect to have a set of Yokohama AVID T4s on my 2000 ES 5-speed by then.

    If you're lurking and are interested in an October 6 get-together in Northern Virginia, please respond on this topic or e-mail me at mda[email protected]

    By the way, how come we hardly ever hear from any pre-99 owners? You're welcome here too, you know, in case you're lurking!

  • mazdafunmazdafun Posts: 2,329
    I agree with fowler3, I think the Mazda factory alloys look much better than most aftermarkets.

    The ones I'm considering when I replace my tires are Borbet B, H or T in 14 or 15 inch size. Probably going with Yokohama AVID T4s.

    Funny thing, many of the really expensive alloys are truly ugly, but that's only my opinion. :)

    Hmm. Should check eBay and see if anyone's selling off their stock 15in alloys.
  • compensatecompensate Posts: 212

    I, too, am looking at replacing the tires on our 1999 ES with the Yokohama Avid-T tires. They have long tread life, are pretty inexpensive, have good reliability, and handle well on wet and dry roads. Good choice!


    Awwww. Don't pick on my Hyundai. And my Koo-Aid wasn't spiked with any wacky chemicals. ;) I love it as much as I have loved the 4 Mazdas I've owned. They are actually quite nice cars. Just ask mpgman and some of the others who've owned the new Elantra GT. It's worth a look if you don't have the money for a Protege or Protege5.
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