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  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    ... of putting their city (or at least state, for crying out loud) in their profiles? Dammit, I'm trying to find mid-Atlantic Protege owners for the upcoming MAPP II. But almost every time I see a new face on the topic and I click on their profile in an effort to find out what part of the country they're in, I find that they live in "USA." Well that's really helpful! I think I'll change mine to "Western Hemisphere" ... or maybe that still makes it too easy to find me ... how about "Earth's surface?"

    Let's stop being so paranoid!

  • protegextwoprotegextwo Posts: 1,265
    I'm not paranoid! Just stop talking about me! HEHE! HEHE! Also, stop looking at my profile! LOL!!

    -Larry "the chopper"
  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    Edmunds doesn't let you have free reign of saying where you live. But I did manage to update my profile to reflect my feelings on anonymity.


    Good to hear from you Larry. (OOOOHHH! I shouldn't have said that. Now THEY know we're friends.)

  • krotinekrotine Posts: 93
    My profile has been updated.

  • mazdafunmazdafun Posts: 2,329
    I drive mostly local (at least 60 percent, probably more) with my 1.6L '99LX.

    I typically get 28-29mpg. With a heavy foot, I can get this down to 24-26mpg. On the freeway, at a loping pace (about 3000rpm), using cruise on flat sections, I've easily achieve 38mpg. On the freeway at higher speed (circa 3400rpm), hills, passing, not caring about economy etc, I get 31-32mpg.
  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    Or anyone else in particular. I guess my ham radio hobby has trained me to wonder "where I'm talking to."

    I'm so nosy, in fact, that sometimes I'll ask where phone solicitors are calling me from -- that is, if I decide to engage them in a conversation, which ain't often. Sometimes the answer is surprising! A few weeks ago, we got a call from a billing agent for the hospital where my wife had our baby here in Richmond -- but the person, who identified herself as a hospital employee, was calling from Louisville, Kentucky! On another occasion I got called by a young lady doing a phone survey about music. When I told her I hoped she had a nice evening, she said she would try -- if the snow ever let up. Well, it was November here and 60 degrees, so I had to ask where she was calling from.


    The worst (or best) reason to make sure you know where people are is this -- maybe you can all benefit from a lesson I learned. Back in my younger, stupider days (er, five years ago), I saw an ad in our local paper's classifieds offering to pay something like $10 an hour to print computer labels at home from a list provided by a certain company. To find out more you had to call a long-distance number with area code 809. Well, I figured it would only be a couple of minutes and it was state-to-state calling, so what the heck?

    Turns out I was placed on eternal hold by an automated machine that kept coming back every two or three minutes and saying I was next in line, would be helped shortly, etc. -- all the time playing enticing stories about making lots of money while I was on hold. After about 15 minutes of getting nowhere, I pulled out my phone book (still on hold) and found, to my horror, that I was calling THE DOMINICAN REPUBLIC!

    I hung up and called the operator, only to find that my short call already had rung up to more than $30. I explained what happened and the operator actually removed the charge from my account -- very nice, thanks Ma Bell -- and I then called the paper and warned them about the scam, and they removed the ad the next day.

    You'd have thunk that since it looked like a normal U.S. area code, it was in the U.S. -- not out in the Caribbean! Oh well, live and learn -- you never know!

  • protegenicprotegenic Posts: 199
    Meade, sorry to trash up the forum with off-topic stuff, but I value others opinions on this forum since I have been frequenting it for the past two years since I purchased my Protege and you folks have a lot of good opinions and experience. Besides, a little off topic repartee is a little nice every now and then dontchathink?
  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    Since no 2001 owners have replied, I guess I'll forward my info for my 2000 ES 5-speed (1849 cc):

    26-28 mpg city
    30-34 mpg highway

    Keep in mind that the 5-speed is geared for faster RPMs than the automatic. At 70 mph, I'm right at 3500 rpm -- while my buddy Tom, who has the identical car except with an automatic, is at about 3,000 rpm. I tend to like the higher revs -- gives me better passing power and makes the car feel quicker, since the shortcut tube in the intake manifold kicks in at 3,500 rpm -- but I get poorer gas mileage than he does. He frequently calls me up to brag about getting nearly 40 mpg on the highway. I've never done better than 34.

    FWIW --

  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    But being a loyal lurker in the Daewoo topics (for humor), I'm used to seeing the hosts have to come in and steer everybody back on course. I didn't want them to call us down for straying.

    By the way, are you a fan of the movie "Hunt for Red October?" I am, and one of the lines in your post echoed Sean Connery's (er, Marco Rameus') line, "A little revolution, every now and then, is a good thing, dontchathink?"

  • protegenicprotegenic Posts: 199
    I just watched that movie last weekend...again. It is one of those movies that never seems to get old to me.
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    I have a 2001 ES 2.0 automatic, and average something like 23-25 mpg. I have a heavy foot though, usually clipping along at 75-90 mph on the highway. :) By the way, the ES model is shockingly stable at 110, but runs almost 5000 rpm. And please don't ask how I found out. :)
  • Wow!

    protegenic..The Millenia is a nice car for $24,000. I just have to get that remaining Honda loyalty out of my blood.

    LMAO @ that news headline.

    mdaffron: I am getting about 30 MPG average with my '01 ES 5-speed. I don't really do alot of stop and go so I haven't really gotten any lower than that.
  • protege_fanprotege_fan Posts: 2,405
    How are you guys calculating your MPG?

  • newcar31newcar31 Posts: 3,711
    Fill your tank up, reset your trip odometer, drive until you need gas, fill your tank up again, divide the miles on your trip odometer by how many gallons you put in your tank and you have yourself MPG. Despite dealing with horrendeous, atrocious, unspeakable traffic that could only be worse if your were driving backwards, my 01 ES 5sp gets 25-28 mpg. On roadtrips it gets 33 mpg. By the way, I hate my Protoge, I wish I would have gotten a Kia Sephia instead. It is a much better car.
  • protege_fanprotege_fan Posts: 2,405
    Cool. Thanks for the info newcar....but mine will have to be something like km/litres!! Oh well...gotta get the conversions for the 2 variables to get mpg.
    Sephia vs. Protege? I'm gonna keep my mouth shut.


  • protegextwoprotegextwo Posts: 1,265
    The "Kia Sephia" would have to be "free...ah"! HE HE HE HE!

  • edmund2460edmund2460 Posts: 293
    My daily commute is 25 miles. 20 of these are on the highway but during the return trip it is like a parking lot for the first 8 of the 20. I have an auto and never exceed 65, always accelerate smoothly etc. and I get around 28-28. On the one short long trip I had through the mountaiss I got nearly 32. I sincerely doubt that you get 40 mpg on this car, I think 34 would be feasible on a long highway trip under ideal conditions
  • edmund2460edmund2460 Posts: 293
    This doesn't pertain to the PRo but I just cut my insurance bill in half going with AIG. I understand a lot of others have done the same. They just started selling auto ins. in SC. If you have a good driver rating, and an old fart like me, I think chances are that you can see a big decrease. Any one out there with AIG insurance? If so share your experience
  • nikecarnikecar Posts: 460
    For those old readers... thought this woul dbe interesting...

    Saw an accident the other day going home... A Red Protege (99 or 00 LX) that was hit by a Daewoo Lanos. Didn't see any damage on the Protege, but the Daewoo had the hood bent abit and the bumper pushed abit down...

    thought it was cute considering all the safety wars we had... and this was in slow moving traffic...
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    I got a quote from them. I am a 23 year old single male living in Baltimore, Md. (in the city), have one speeding ticket with a point, n o at-fault accidents. Coverage of 50/100/50 with 250/500 ded. for comp.coll. I pay $195 a month for State Farm insurance. AIG quoted me $3500 every 6 months. I think I will stay with State Farm for now. :)
  • laurakatlaurakat Posts: 69
    This evening I picked up a LX 2.0, 5spd, free moonroof/alloy package, keyless, and ABS/side airbags, 0% financing. Checked out another dealership today and they gave me a fair price for my Intrepid. The negotiation process was actually quite painless, unlike the dealership yesterday which I spent nearly an hour talking with the sales guy and the sales manager, trying to squeeze more out of my trade. I finally walked and said I'll sell the car myself or try another dealer. Well, the 'trying another dealer' worked. I love the car. Actually put nearly 100 miles on it today running errands with my wife and kids. I actually can't wait to go to work in the morning so I can 'zoom zoom zoom' down the twisty back roads on hwy 3! I do agree, though, the stereo needs upgraded speakers. It's not too bad, just a little flat sounding. I'll have to start shopping for speakers in the near future.

    I hear alot about the MAPP II, any additional word about the CAPP (Chicago Area Pro Picnic)? Or any midwest get together?

  • protege_fanprotege_fan Posts: 2,405
    Hey Mike!! Congrats on the purchase! What color did u end up getting? How does the wife like the car? Actually, it's better if they're not in the car....that way you don't have to listen to them complain when you take sharp corners or "accidently" speed a little.
    I don't mind the speakers....I'm not an "audiophile" so as long as there's sound coming out it's good by me.
    Anyway, congrats again.


  • ashutoshsmashutoshsm Posts: 1,007
    If I understand crumple zones and crash impacts correctly, the safer car is the one with less ingress into the passenger compartment/shell and more damage suffered to the external sections (front and back).

    If you think about it, two cars colliding would imply identical forces exerted on each car. So if the car takes the impact and parts are crushed, less force is transferred to the occupants in the passenger area. Now I don't know if lower speeds would affect this analysis, but at higher speeds, the Daewoo actually sounds like it would be safer.

    Guess I should read up a bit more about crashes, impacts and car design!
  • jace1jace1 Posts: 23
    I have been looking for an LX 2.0 5 speed with ABS/SAB and am hearing from dealers that they don't exist at this time. I see Mike found one which gives me some hope. Are they that rare atthis time. I am also considering the Golf (reliability q's) and the Civic EX (bland driving experience). I don't see much about problems on this site. Have the Pro's been that good??
    Thanks for replies.

  • protegextwoprotegextwo Posts: 1,265
    Congrats! Enjoy your PRO and welcome to the club!

  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    OK, I am speaking for myself here ... do any of you guys really think I'd want to speak for you?!

    You asked if the Proteges have been that good; here comes my personal history, and I feel I probably have the most experience with Proteges on this topic:

    Protege No. 1: 1992 LX automatic. Top-of-the-line back then; there were no ES models. I had every option except the sunroof. No problems at all. Unfortunately, the car only lasted 28,000 miles because of the crappy Bridgestone Potenza tires it had on it. I hydroplaned during an August thunderstorm and struck a Volvo 245 DL station wagon in the rear at a traffic light. I was still going 40-45 mph. The car was totaled, but despite the fact that the Protege only had those motorized "passive restraint" belts and no air bags in 1992, I walked out of it. The front end crumpled precisely as designed -- there was no buckling of the windshield area or doorsills. The engine dived downward instead of toward the passenger compartment. A "textbook total," you might say. I was so impressed with how the car saved my life, I took my insurance check and purchased:

    Protege No. 2: 1992 LX 5-speed. Yeah, this time I decided to have more fun and bought a 5-speed. And this one was decked out with everything including the sunroof. I was in my first job out of college then and not making a whole lot of money, so this car and I moonlighted at night driving pizzas for Pizza Hut. That's rough service for a car! In only 2-1/2 years, I had 83,000 miles on the car. I never had one problem with it, but I regretted the sunroof purchase because I'm a big guy and I could've used the extra two inches of headroom that the sunroof takes away. I made a big mistake and traded this car for a 1994 Mazda B2300 pickup in December 1994. The Mazda pickups are built by Ford (they're Ranger clones) and I started having recurring engine problems at 8,000 miles. That truck was the worst piece of junk I've ever experienced. I was upside-down credit-wise, though, so I had to keep it until it was paid off. It would spend a week, sometimes two weeks at a time at the dealership while they took the engine apart trying to discover why it always ran too lean or too rich. Man, they replaced every sensor, the intake and exhaust manifolds, remachined the head, reworked the entire cooling system, and replaced parts I'd never heard of before. They even replaced the truck's computer at their expense -- TWICE! My dealership really tried, but we all decided it was just a lemon -- but too late for my state's lemon law. Anyway -- sorry to get off-subject -- as soon as I could, in May 2000, I traded the truck from hell for ...

    Protege No. 3: 2000 ES 5-speed. This time I had some money and could get what I wanted. I could've bought a more expensive car, but I knew what I liked. So this Protege had everything EXCEPT the sunroof. (Side air bags only came with the sunroof package, but after my 1992 experience with no air bags at all, I figured my chances were pretty good.) In 24,500 miles I have had only two minor problems, both of which I caused: the plastic clip that holds the trunk springs up under the rear parcel shelf broke when I slammed a too-tall box into it, and the CD player had to be replaced when I put a CD with a label in it and it jammed. (The manual says not to put a labeled CD in the CD player!) Despite the fact that I damaged these things, my dealership replaced them under warranty.

    There. You have the history of my problems with Proteges. Probably a lot more than you wanted to read, but hey! I love talking about my Protege almost as much as driving it!

  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    You both will probably get a kick out of this. I infrequently go over to the Cavalier topic to see what the latest problems are -- my wife drives a 1995 Cavalier. I just went there this morning and the first post I read is the one that follows. Kind of makes you wonder how much crap American car owners are willing to put up with, and puts the minor problems Jerry has experienced into proper perspective! Here goes (pay attention to the first line -- "not given me a lot of trouble" -- but then read what this guy considers to be "not a lot of trouble" and a "reliable" car! LOL!)


    My 1997 Cavalier with 53k miles has not given me a lot of trouble and has proven to be reliable SO FAR. Problems were wiper motor that took 3 tries to fix, 2 recalls, replacing the tiny front brakes every 2 years along with a set of rotors, coolant temp sensor, and the usual American made squeaks and rattles. Overall, I won't complain as I bought her for a little under $14000 new well equipped.I do have the 2.4 and 4 speed auto which, as far as i'm concerned, is a different car than the 2.2 and 3 speed auto. I also think the 2.4 is a more reliable engine. When I went to the dealer for the last recall which was a cover for the PCM (Powertrain Control Module) I was told that there are several upgrade patches to the PCM memory. One of which is for cold engine stalling and stuttering which I am experiencing. The dealer wanted me to pay for the upgrades. I figured why should I pay for GMs programming mistakes. I contacted GM Customer Service and got nothing but excuses, surprise! The programming upgrades to the PCM seems to be a well kept secret. I wonder how many of the driveability problems people are experiencing are related to this simple reprogramming of the PCM.


    Not bad for an American car with 53,000 miles, huh? My wife's Cavalier has 52,000 miles on it and it's on its third head gasket! Glad I've got a Protege!

  • dsgechodsgecho Posts: 89
    Got a 2001 PRO LX 2.0, auto,cruise, ABS, side air bags, alloy wheels, sunroof, etc. for $15828 whch is just about invoice for one even not counting the sunroof and alloy wheels. And 0% financing. I guess Mazda seems to really want to clear out the 2001's. Nice, solid ride with an interior that seems a grade up from the Honda Civic LX. And the engine doesn't buzz with every little step on the gas. Certainly has more power than the Honda when you need it. But cruises quietly otherwise.
    Nashville, TN
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    There have been some minor teething problems with the 2001s, but that's it. Nothing close to the problems like Honda had with its fuel gauge recalls or VWs with their spotty reliability, short warranties (until 2002), and high repair costs. I have a 2001 Protege ES now, and used to have a 1999 DX before this (yeah, another repeat buyer - that should tell you something right there). Both were superb cars. The 1999 DX had 37K on it when traded, had been beat to hell, and still ran smoothly. Only one problem in that time, ironically with the CD player.

    Protege 2 (the 2001) has been in the shop 2 times. Once for alignment problems (off when I bought it) and a TSB to fix the steering wheel's off-centeredness, and another time for a repair problem with the radio that also was believed to cause the car not to start. These problems are the most serious from either Protege, but like I said they are just small teething problems.

    Protege is also rated highly by several publications, including Consumer Reports, and are known for their durability and reliability.
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    Did you get another car or trade in your Echo on a Protege? Just curious. I know you have an Echo and a Prius, so I was just being nosey. :0
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