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Mazda Protegé



  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    The driver's side window goes down about 2/3 of the way, then stops. The door panel bulges out (you can feel it), and the window starts to go down on the front side more than on the back side (near the door lock button). I think there is something obstructing the track, but don't know what. I would think if that were the case, my new tinting would be scratched all to hell on the inside, but it isn't. I just have to deal with it until I get to the dealer on 9/24 I guess.
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    I went to the Kelley Blue Book site ( just for the heck of it, to see what my car is worth now. I have a 2001 Protege ES auto. 2.0 in black presently with 13,600 miles on it, and in good condition (according to KBB). They evaluated my car at $13,550!!!!!!! This car is only 6 months old, and its window sticker price was $18,545 when bought new! I am thoroughly MAD now!!!!! I can not believe I lost $5000 in just 6 months and 13,600 miles. I know small cars lose their value quickly and also that you lose most in the first two years, but damn! My 1999 DX, with 38K on it, was valued at $7500. That's $4000 less than a BRAND NEW ES!!!!!
  • jstandeferjstandefer Posts: 805
    That doesn't sound very good. I was absolutely positive you did something wrong so I checked it out myself. Nope, same figure. Your car has lost 27% of its value!! I checked out my 1999 ES 5-spd. It's valued at $9,730 with an original MSRP of around $15,700. I have lost 38% over three years and nearly 50,000 miles. My figure sounds about right, but 27% for a less than year old car with only 13,600 miles on it is pretty bad. I wonder if the first year is holding its value better because there's less of them on the road?
    Lost 27%
    Lost 38%
  • jstandeferjstandefer Posts: 805
    Are you looking at a 2001 Protege ES? If you are, then ABS is packed with the side-impact airbags. In your case, I would lose your first choice in color to get the extra safety of the side-impact airbags and ABS. Plus, you will get an insurance discount for having those two items. If you really want your color with the ABS/side SRS package, I would have the dealer do a dealer trade with another dealer in the area to get the car you want. Anyways, that's what I would do. Good luck with your purchase!!!
  • jstandeferjstandefer Posts: 805
    Remember, in the Edmunds opening to that comparison test, they said there are no real losers in that group of cars. They are all excellent vehicles.

    In last year's Car and Driver comparison test of near-luxury sedans, the Millenia (a 2000 Millenium Edition) came in fourth place, shocking both myself and the magazine. They figured the oldest vehicle with the least amount of equipment and smallest engine would easily come in last place. Here are the other vehicles tested in the order they placed starting with last place: Mitsubishi Diamante LS, Pontiac Bonneville SSEi, Volvo S70 GLT, Infiniti I30t, Lincoln LS V6, Mazda Millenia S Millenium Edition, Lexus ES300, Chrysler 300M, and Acura 3.2TL. The Millenia excelled at nothing, but it didn't do anything bad either. Its balance was it strong point and the staff loved it. At $32,000, they called the Millenia a bargain. You got yours for just about $10,000 less than that. Great buy!!!
  • Looking at, I see that the MSRP for a basic ES is $15,575 not incl dest charges.

    But CarsDirect is selling it for $13,790.

    So the car has "depreciated" about 12 percent before I've even picked a color.

    Now that is depressing. I guess I'll have to choose black to match my mood. ;-)

    Sure, the Protege is no Honda on resale, but then again...

    To get the ProES up to more than $18k you had to add a bunch of options. Few options add much to the resale value on KBB as far as I can tell.

    Of course, if you don't sell, it doesn't matter.

  • yooper53yooper53 Posts: 286
    As our noble and honorable former commander-in-chief would say, "I feel your pain." Your post no doubt has many of us running to My question is are the figures you gave trade in value or private party. This so I can compare apples and apples. Thanks.
  • fowler3fowler3 Posts: 1,919
    their figures are way off from the NADA book. Plus condition adds a lot to a car's value. Always figure selling as a private party since you don't want a dealer's wholesale price.

    The best place to look is to see what others are asking for their Pros.

  • etrastetrast Posts: 9
    I have 2001 Pro ES. I am considering changing my tailights with clear ones. Can anybody suggest a good place to buy them? Can I change the lights myself?
    My first oil change is due soon (I have 2700 Miles on it). Can I use synthetic oil?
    Any replies will be greatly appreciated
  • protege_fanprotege_fan Posts: 2,405
    Does anybody have the hood deflector for the '01 Pro installed? Has anybody seen the Pro with one? Just wanted some opinions of what people thought of it.

    I don't know where you can buy any, but I don't see why you wouldn't be able to change them yourself. I know some of the others here have changed their headlights, so the rears shouldn't be that much more difficult.
    You should be able to use synthetic oil as well. Again, don't see any real reason not to (except cost).

  • mhallackmhallack Posts: 32
    >So the car has "depreciated" about 12 percent before I've even picked a color.

    That's why its so important to put 10% down (beyond TTL). Also financing for 36 months or less will generally keep you from going upside-down. I haven't yet met these goals, but they are good and will help keep you from financial trouble (went 42 months this time, but did get enough of a down payment).

    Also, just because the car is small doesn't mean depreciation is unique to it: I just looked up a fairly well optioned 2000 Maxima SE (a car I was thinking about getting) on It was down to $18k, and new they were $28k+ MSRP. Thats a drop of 36% (AND over ten grand!).
  • The real value of the Protege is not found in the Blue Book, but in the fact that if you maintain it, it is a car that you can drive for a long, long time. I have a 92 DX, and still drives good and looks good. I paid $12,000 for the car in '92, and I have spent less than $2,000 in maintenance (tires, oil changes, CV boots, everything)in those 9 years. Now that's what I call a good investment!
  • yooper53yooper53 Posts: 286
    Does any one know if they'll bolt on to my '01 ES? If so would there be sufficient clearance for the larger ES rotors? I've gotta get on the stick here and Hopefully find some for the snow tires I'll need. Any help greatly appreciated. I know they're 15" wheels but for snows its really not a concern.
  • grubbs1grubbs1 Posts: 69
    Etrast, please keep us informed as to the clear tail lights. I myself have been considering them for my '01 black ES. If you get them, let me know where you got them, what you paid and how easily they were to install.

    Protoge_fan, yesterday I picked-up the accesories for my new pro which included the wind deflector. I have to admit, I love the little details that to me are functional and look good. I also installed the bra, mud guards and the cargo net. Hey, I turned 40 last month and this was my little gift to get me out of the rut I was having. BTW, the bass in the stock stereo is weak so I also installed a modest amp and subwoofer in the trunk (Alpine and JL). Wow, what a difference! I'm broke but happy.
  • grubbs1grubbs1 Posts: 69
    Jstander (or anyone), being you know what goes on at the dealerships, please help. A week ago I purchased my 01 Pro. I have never bought the things that the finance people try to sell you except this time. I went with the paint and upholstery protection (I forget exactly what they call it). Do I ever have buyer's remouse! I had been told that it has a five year guaranty and that it takes four hours for 'it' to dry. I went to have it applied yesterday and I was out in under two hours! The service manager said no drying was needed. You should know these people, it was at Cush Mazda, Escondido. I feel that it was misrepresentet to me at closing and by the salesman. I'm afraid I paid $295 for a wax job, Armour All and Scotchguard! I feel like an idiot! What would you suggest?
  • jstandeferjstandefer Posts: 805
    Ah, Cush Mazda up in north county. Well, you really have no recourse unless you want to throw a huge fit with the General Sales Manager, General Manager (like vice president of the dealership), or Dealer Principal (the owner or president). What I would do is take them at their word on the five year warranty. If anything stains, take it back. If anything oxidizes, take it back.

    Did they also tell you that product will be sent to your home and YOU will have to reapply it every six months or the five year warranty is void? It is basically a Scothguard like substance and a Teflon wax. BTW, DuPont, the inventor of Teflon, has officially stated that Teflon does not aid in the protection of paint anymore than a typical wax would. IMO, the only thing worth buying in the finance office would be an extended warranty from the manufacturer. Perhaps malt might know of something.
  • I have a 1999 Protege and I live in Ontario, Canada.
    I have been a regular user of Mobil 1 Synthetic Oil for the past 2 years.

    Mazda recommends using 10W30 or 5W30 depending on the temperature.

    I was wondering whether I could standardize on using either 5W30 or even 0W30 ALL YEAR ROUND without any negative effects on the engine and/or other parts.
    I just hate having to switch between 10w30 and 5w30

    Thanks in advance for any responses !
  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    I had to work yesterday with a firm from Baltimore that was in town doing a still shot for a newspaper ad at one of our toll plazas. (Took the whole freakin' afternoon!) Anyway, it was Eisner Communications on South Exeter Street. Ya ever work with/know about them?

  • mazdafunmazdafun Posts: 2,329
    For 14in:

    $28 at Tire Rack.

    $35-$40 at local tire & wheel retailers (in my experience).

    Add some $ for wheel covers if you want to hide the wheels. The covers might trap some snow though, which will cause your wheel to become unbalanced enough to shake your car on the highway.
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    Nope, never worked with them. I know where they are located in the city, but never worked with them. Work mostly with PR agencies and the like (Hill & Knowlton is one of my primary clients now), but ironically have no customers in Baltimore.
  • protegenicprotegenic Posts: 199
    I had a similar experience when I purchased the Millenia last week. They added ETCH protection (a car theft deterrant supposedly), which I knew nothing about. Since they said it would cut my insurance premiums, I decided to not make a big stink about it. Well, guess what? State Farm doesn't give discounts for it. So I called the dealership and, in a nice way, voiced my displeasure. The finance manager asked what would help make things right, so I requested some accessories, which he agreed to. This was really a win-win to me, since I got some items I would like but would probably not have purchased, and you know it cost the dealership no where near their price to provide them.

    See if you can work something out like that. It will probably make you feel a bit better anyways. It did me!
  • protege_fanprotege_fan Posts: 2,405
    In my '01 LX 2.0 the service managaer at my dealership and another dealership I've been to have told me that they now use 5W30 year round. I'm in Calgary, so 5w30 is ok according to the temperature/oil weight chart in the manual. However, it may be different for you, depending on what part of Ontario you're from (i.e. different temperature range).
  • fowler3fowler3 Posts: 1,919
    extras! They are rip-offs. Especially the paint and seat protectant stuff. The paint stuff sold by most dealers evaporates as quickly as it is sprayed on and doesn't protect anything. If the manual says not to wax for at least 60 days, why would the dealer suggest paint protection? He makes big bucks that reimburse his discount to you.

    You can spray the seats with Scotchguard yourself, for a fraction of the cost.

    Instead of a cargo net, if you carry groceries in your car trunk, buy a plastic basket to prevent spilled liquids from getting on the trunk liner. Cheaper and better. An ice chest is also good for frozen foods, and MAPP picnics.

  • fowler3fowler3 Posts: 1,919
    The ES has 16" 5-lug wheels, the wheels on the LX have 15" 4-lugs.

  • newcar31newcar31 Posts: 3,711
    I got my car back from the body shop and the bumper looks real nice. I keep saying to myself "How'd they do that?" It has a lifetime warranty against paint flaking too. I am so glad to get rid of that POS Contour. Driving that car makes me really appreciate the Protoge. Speaking of oils, I think Mobil 1 10W30 would be fine no matter WHERE you live. You might need 5W30 in Barrow Alaska in February, but 10W30 Mobil 1 should work for anyone in the lower 49 and anyone who lives along the boarder in Canada. Doesn't the majority of Canadiens live along the US boarder anyways? What are you cannucks planning to do? Don't even think about it. ;)
  • For my Protege' I bought a set of steel wheels at Walmart for 40.00 Canadian. After I bought them, they went on sale for 35.00. Took back my credit card receipt and they knocked the extra money off. Other prices ranged from 48.00 to 125.00(@Mazda yikes). Because the winter tires cost a fair amount, it was nice to save a little on the rims.
  • I've posted before about my front doors in my Protege making noise. From brand new, if you leaned on the door panels, they made a noise like some old car. I tried this with other Protege's in the showroom, and none of them made the noise, so I knew something was'nt right. A few people on this board mentioned that they managed to get this fixed.

    Well after procrastinating for many months, I took the car into be fixed. They pulled off the panels and inserted some sort of insulation betweem the panel and the door. That fixed the problem, and fixed the only really problem I've had with my Protege.
  • mazdafunmazdafun Posts: 2,329
    I can make my door panels squeak too by leaning on them. Most of the time, though, both my hands are on the wheel, having a heck of a good time.

    Seems the 2000 and 2001 models have additional insulating foam between the door and the trim panel, so they don't make such noises.

    I guess if I were to ride shotgun and lean on the door more, I'd do something about it. I'll wait until I hear complaints from the wife & child. What type of material have people used for this purpose? Dynamat, single-sided foam tape?
  • jstandeferjstandefer Posts: 805
    A recent article has come to my attention that has a drawing (assuming Mazda drawing) of next year's replacement to the 626. According to the article, it will appear at the coming Tokyo International Auto Show. It looks quite interesting and will probably replace my Protege unless I can somehow budget an RX-8...

    I hope they go with the Antheon name. It sounds exotic and worthy of a new sport sedan. That Atenza names reminds me of Kia Optima for some reason.

  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    Looks like a larger Protege. Nice though. Real nice. :)
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