Mazda Protegé

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  • mdaffronmdaffron Member Posts: 4,421
    Yeah, Mazda recommends INSPECTION of the timing belt at 60,000 and 90,000 miles (in Va, Cal. and many northeastern states), but REPLACEMENT at 105,000 miles. Now, I have a question. How can emissions requirements affect the life of a rubber and nylon belt???

    Meade
  • ashutoshsmashutoshsm Member Posts: 1,007
    Until now, I was pretty sure that the intervals WERE different in CA/VA compared to the rest of the states. Perhaps someone familiar with the 'real' rules can elaborate.

    And I'm not sure either, except I associated the fact that a number of cars are ULEV in VA/CA but LEV in other states, with this variation, and figured they were related.

    In any case, its safest to follow the manual - and mine (95DX) required replacement at 60K (I think it mentions 90K for CA and/or VA, I'll check and post back later), so that's what I got done, at around 62K.
  • protege_fanprotege_fan Member Posts: 2,405
    May not be a huge factor, but weather is. You have to check rubber belts a lot more often because the winter cold is extremely tough on rubber belts. They are much more susceptible to cracks and breaking due to the brittle nature of the rubber at low temps.
  • chikoochikoo Member Posts: 3,008
    >>>That's pushing it a bit on the anti-freeze IMHO. It starts losing it lubricating efficiency around 30k<<<

    coolant & lubricating efficiency?

    help me!!
  • chikoochikoo Member Posts: 3,008
    are OEM on quite a few vehicles.
    some that I noticed:
    1. Mazda Protege
    2. Toyota Camry
    3. Infiniti I??
  • mdaffronmdaffron Member Posts: 4,421
    Then why are most of the states where the 105K timing belt change rule effective in the Northeast, which have cold winters? California and Virginia are the southernmost states with this feature. The rest are states like Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire, Connecticut, etc.

    Meade
  • mdaffronmdaffron Member Posts: 4,421
    You don't think she drowned in a car wash, do you?!

    Meade
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    I was talking about the Protege, but the VW has the same timing belt interval as the Mazda. But it's for all Jettas, not just the CA/NE emissions ones like the Mazda.

    And when I talk about the Protege, you will know because you will see the references to its weak engine and low resale value.
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    You are so mean sometimes. I love it. :)
  • protege_fanprotege_fan Member Posts: 2,405
    I don't know why it's like that in the US. Take a read through the manual though and it says to check the belts more frequently if you live in cold weather climates.
  • mdaffronmdaffron Member Posts: 4,421
    I love you too.

    Meade
  • patpat Member Posts: 10,421
    Not here, Meade and Paul. Not here.

    Pat
    Sedans Host
  • chicagoprochicagopro Member Posts: 1,009
    ...is love, sweet love...
  • mdaffronmdaffron Member Posts: 4,421
    You beat me to it. I just got back from seeing what's happened in the past half-hour on the Jetta discussion, and I came back here to change my post 15062. I think you'll like how it reads now.

    Meade
  • protege_fanprotege_fan Member Posts: 2,405
    Look who decided to crawl outta her hole...

    Wax your Pro yet Dale? Nm...I know the answer to that :P
  • mdaffronmdaffron Member Posts: 4,421
    Where ya been honey?

    Did you read all my stuff about my dealership experience yesterday afternoon? Got my recall done!

    Meadeball
  • protege_fanprotege_fan Member Posts: 2,405
    I still think Pat's advisory applies....

    #15062 of 15067 OK Paul by mdaffron Jul 26, 2002 (12:06 pm)
    I love you too.

    Meade
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    #15063 of 15067 by pat HOST Jul 26, 2002 (12:10 pm)
    Not here, Meade and Paul. Not here.

    Pat
    Sedans Host
  • patpat Member Posts: 10,421
    Oh good grief. :)
  • mdaffronmdaffron Member Posts: 4,421
    Are there other places on the Town Hall where members ask questions on one discussion and answer them on another? While we may deserve an "F" for Member Agreement adherence, we should get an "A" for creativity ...

    This is so much like seventh grade. Think about it.

    The teacher (that'd be Pat) leaves the room for a few minutes.
    A spitball thrown by the bully (that'd be me) hits the dork (that'd be Paul) in the head.
    Soon everyone's throwing spitballs.
    The goody-goody (that'd be Dale) says, "Guys, she's gonna HEAR us!!!"
    The teacher returns and issues detentions.
    The troublemaker (Mike) tries to justify his innocence, which only riles the teacher and gets him another detention.
    Meanwhile, the weirdo who dresses in old army gear (every class had one, right?)(and that would be Larry) continues to mumble to himself and draw on his desk with his pencil.
    The class resumes and everything is normal, from the teachers' point of view.
    Then the notes (those would be white-font posts) start going around ...

    ;-)

    Meade
  • chicagoprochicagopro Member Posts: 1,009
    Why are you sounding so proud to be a seventh grader?
  • windowphobe6windowphobe6 Member Posts: 765
    It has nothing to do with climate, and everything to do with legislation.

    The California Assembly started this off with their blithe declaration that timing is related to emissions, therefore timing belts must last at least as long as the emissions gear, which in their opinion should be 100,000 miles.

    Inexplicably, many states follow California's lead in these matters, and you'll find that the states that have emissions requirements similar to California's are generally also the states in which timing belts magically last through 100k.
  • mdaffronmdaffron Member Posts: 4,421
    Long time no post here, buddy! Thanks for the info. Very interesting.

    And Dale, you just proved my point. And my choice of who you were in my little skit.

    Meade
  • windowphobe6windowphobe6 Member Posts: 765
    Putting 4600 miles on a 626 (with Bridgestone Turanzas) in two and a half weeks, just because.
  • protege_fanprotege_fan Member Posts: 2,405
    Climate has NOTHING to do with it, why does my manual state on page 8-3, footnote *2:

    "If the vehicle is operated in cold districts {below -18 degrees C (0 degrees F)}, replace the timing belt at 96, 000 km (60, 000 miles)."
    ??
  • windowphobe6windowphobe6 Member Posts: 765
    All the provinces are subject to cold weather, and, well, you don't have California.
  • mdaffronmdaffron Member Posts: 4,421
    the REAL reason for extending the timing belt interval to 105,000 miles was due to legislation. Still climate could shorten that interval, much as driving in dusty conditions shortens the intervals for air filters and other equipment.

    Meade

    P.S. Mike, you just justified your place in my skit too! Am I good or what?! (Don't say I'm "what")
  • dsm6dsm6 Member Posts: 813
    In other words, climate has nothing to do with what is legislated, but does have something to do with what is actually required. Too bad the two don't connect. So it is that manufacturers recommend inspecting at 60,000 but can't recommend chaning until 105,000. Reading between the lines, I'll have it "inspected" at 60,000.

    It's one of those probabalistic things, though, of course. I bet you'd be able to let it go 100,000 and more just fine for many Pros, but maybe not yours. The longer you wait, the more the risk, and the penalty may be steep (though I think we decided the 2.0 is a non-interfering engine).
  • protege_fanprotege_fan Member Posts: 2,405
    Is that CLIMATE does play a part in the timing belt change interval.

    Meade: I'm afraid to ask what part I would be playing.... :O
  • mdaffronmdaffron Member Posts: 4,421
    Meade
  • mdaffronmdaffron Member Posts: 4,421
    That's one of the topics I yakked about with my mechanic friend at the dealership yesterday. We got on this same subject of timing belts and when they should be changed. He said he'd still do it at 60K miles just to be safe, but not to worry too much because all that'll happen if it breaks is the car won't run. No valve damage or anything, just an inconvenience -- and a sudden need to spend $300!

    Meade
  • protege_fanprotege_fan Member Posts: 2,405
    The troublemaker (Mike) tries to justify his innocence, which only riles the teacher and gets him another detention.

    What? I'm not a trouble maker!! I only respond to what's posted!

    Buwhahahahaahahahaahhaah!!!!!
  • patpat Member Posts: 10,421
    Oh for heaven's sake, Meade, honestly that is hysterical. But please, please take that kind of stuff to the Posse topic?

    ROFLMyouknowwhatO. (I'm supposed to be a host, remember?)
  • mdaffronmdaffron Member Posts: 4,421
    Truce. I don't want to go home with a detention this weekend.

    (But I did get a good laugh out of writing that, and come on -- wasn't it all so very true?)

    ;-)

    Meade
  • protege_fanprotege_fan Member Posts: 2,405
    No :P
  • patpat Member Posts: 10,421
    YES!! That's why I said it's hysterical!!!!!

    :-D
  • meinradmeinrad Member Posts: 820
    I come back from making out with an upperclass chick in her Protege and find out I missed out on the spit-ball fight! :---{

    Darn you 7th graders you need to let me know these things are going on!
  • mdaffronmdaffron Member Posts: 4,421
    Hey, trade ya the spitball fight ...

    Meade
  • protege_fanprotege_fan Member Posts: 2,405
    Does that make you lowclass Ray?

    Did her daddy buy her that Protege? Smart man :D
  • mazdafunmazdafun Member Posts: 2,329
    Zoom zoom (pant, pant...it's hot and muggy again)!
  • meinradmeinrad Member Posts: 820
    In high school lingo an upperclassmen is a juinor or seinor(11 and 12th grade). Since as the story goes we were in 7th grade, that would not make me lowclass it would make me a hero!

    And of course her daddy bought the Pro, that's what they are there for.

    Ps. If the Pro's a rockin' don't come a knockin.
  • mazdafunmazdafun Member Posts: 2,329
    as I probably am bouncing to the tunes. :)
  • protege_fanprotege_fan Member Posts: 2,405
    HAHAHAA....this is such a good Friday (in terms of forums...definitely not work!)!
    Ray, you ARE my hero! HAHA!!

    Unfortunately my Pro gets no bath this week...it's supposed to rain on and off all weekend and no way am I spending an hour out there getting him all sparkling shiny only to have rain fall and get water spots all over him again.
  • mdaffronmdaffron Member Posts: 4,421
    Who taught you to spell "junior" and "senior"? Or did you not make it quite that far?

    ;-)

    Guys, as Dale would say, "Stop it! She might HEAR you!!!"

    Meade
  • protege_fanprotege_fan Member Posts: 2,405
    We should move this into detention (AKA Protege Posse board) :(

    Ray, any chance you can get that senior to come along? :D
  • meinradmeinrad Member Posts: 820
    Do you not notice I'm never in English class?
  • chikoochikoo Member Posts: 3,008
    image


    how can this happen?

    read more about it here


    http://www.protegeclub.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7872&highlight=missing+bolt

  • protege_fanprotege_fan Member Posts: 2,405
    Mine's there....I checked when that thread was posted.

    Crazy though...so many people missing that bolt!!
  • dsm6dsm6 Member Posts: 813
    When I had my car in to complain about the "death" rattle, they put that bolt on thinking that maybe the rattle was do to this heat shield being loose. They were wrong about the source of the rattle. At least I got my bolt back.
  • eleets00eleets00 Member Posts: 27
    Can anyone recommend a good Mazda dealership in the Atlanta area? You guys are right how the serivce department handles your issues determines whether or not you're a repeat customer. That's why I'm not buying another GM vehicle this go round. If I had a Corvette, I would have gotten a new tranny instead of a rebuilt one... I think...
    Charles
  • patpat Member Posts: 10,421
    detention?

    You have a whole place all to yourselves to talk about anything you want with no "teacher" ragging on you and you call that detention??

    Hmm, wish that was the sort of detention I had when I really was in the 7th grade!

    LOL!
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