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Mazda Protegé



  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    The Neon has a 4-speed unit now, but the car is still a POS. My ex-roomie had one, in the shop 13 times in a year for a different thing each time. Ugh.

    Ok, so you get to pick the car and the color of your wife's car? Shoudln't she at least get to pick the color if you get the car you want? It's only fair. :)
  • chikoochikoo Posts: 3,008
    I don't like the rubber tranny shifter handle on my 99ES(Auto).

    Are there any aftermarket available that I can use?
  • gandalf17gandalf17 Posts: 348
    Yes, the Neon is indeed a POS. This little boy racer somehow managed to install a dual exhaust and huge oversize wing on the back of the car. I think he was a little shocked at the Pro's highway pick-up. He started tail-gating me at 130km on the 407. Tail-gaters and people who don't signal, aggravate me to no end. Anyway, I moved over lanes so he could pass and the little [non-permissible content removed] pulls over right behind me and continued to tail-gate me with a grin on his face. He quit doing that at about 170km when he was about 4 car lengths back and shaking back and forth all over the lane. Then i went back down to my 130 cruising and laughed at him as he passed by. He wouldn't even look at me...poor kid.
    Made me feel kind of like a teenager again. It was fun.

    Mind you, made me wish i was in the WRX. My favorite thing to do to young kids in Hondo Si's and other cars who think they can actually race the WRX is to purposely keep the revs down below 3,2000rpm or so, by jumping into a higher gear than necessary. Like being in 5th gear at 70km or so. At this level the turbo is just starting to spool, but is not really active yet. I like to keep it close and stay maybe a car length, or half car length behind. Then, suddenly, I drop the REX down into 3rd or 4th gear, the Turbo goes nuts and shoots the car forward like a rocket (bat) out of hell. The dumbfounded look on many a Hondo driver's face is priceless as they watch kind of helplessly. This is rather easy to do because the WRX is horrible off the line and is a real tractor until the turbo starts spooling.

    Maybe the new Pro will be a little similiar?? :)

    P.S.- Yes, I guess i'll have to grin and bear it if the wife decides she wants orange. She loves the Protege and really liked the SiR, so it shouldn't take much to convince her about the car though.
  • gandalf17gandalf17 Posts: 348
    I don't know if there are any available for the auto, but Mazda has ton's of them for the 5spd.
  • protege_fanprotege_fan Posts: 2,405
    Please stop talking about the're making me drool... :)
  • dsm6dsm6 Posts: 813
    I'd imagine the Mazdaspeed 3 will have some lag, of course. Plus, the compression ratio will probably be reduced to make it safer to put under boost. If so, power will be down with respect to the NA 2.0 until the turbo spools up. On the other hand, at 170 hp, boost levels are probably fairly moderate, relatively speaking, so I'm guessing it won't be too bad. Not as big a thrust, though, as say the WRX - 227 hp from a 2.0 flat 4. Then again, it is really all relative. The trubo thrill sometimes has more to do with that thrust forward as the turbo spools up than with any absolute acceleration numbers. Of course, the WRX has both. We shall see for the Mazdaspeed 3.

    Speaking of the WRX, yes, please stop bringing it up. ;-) That's the car I was aiming to buy, but my finances came up short. Next time. For now, at least I'm saving some fuel and pollution, and probably some points on my drivers license too! :-)
  • gandalf17gandalf17 Posts: 348
    Yes, I've been lucky to date. Haven't had a speeding ticket since i was 21. Knock on wood....I try and pick my spots to speed. I don't do it all the time. :)

    Blame my ramblings on the Tylenol 3's and codeine effect. I ripped up the ligaments in my left ankle playing hockey yesterday. It's a grade 2 sprain. I'm all doped up....more than usual even.... Hey, did someone say DacQuiri. The spelling was for Meade. :)
  • gandalf17gandalf17 Posts: 348
    and it's just not fun having to use the clutch with a sprained ankle. I think i will actually be driving my wife's Protege until this heals because the clutch engagement is much lighter and smoother than in the WRX. Oddly, she prefers driving the Protege, so i guess I got me some convincing ta do......
  • maltbmaltb Posts: 3,572
    From what I hear it won't have much lag. The idea is that by setting up the turbo properly, you can have a very streetable car. If it doesn't have the same or better low end as the current ES, they won't sell it. Just misc rambling that I heard.
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    Why don't you just let the wife drive the WRX and you drive the Protege then? That's another reason why I like automatic, because if I would hurt my left foot I could still be able to drive.
  • mazdafunmazdafun Posts: 2,329
    Even if only 80% of that is available below 2500rpm, that's good thrust-to-mass for EASY daily driving.
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    That's pretty weird, because the standard 2.0 ES has 135 lb./ft. I think. You would think adding a turbocharger would add more torque than that. Guess not though.
  • chicagoprochicagopro Posts: 1,009
    That Mazda turbo is one ugly car.
  • maltbmaltb Posts: 3,572
    Beauty is not only skin deep.
  • dsm6dsm6 Posts: 813
    With a relatively modest ~40 hp, ~20 lb-ft gain, I'm guessing the turbo is relatively small (don't know enough about T25 Garrett Turbo to know for sure) - so I'm guessing it is set up to spool quickly = minimal lag and good low-end, rather than using a bigger turbo with more boost, but also more lag, not to mention more stress on the engine and more money. It's no going to do 0-60 in the mid to high 5's like the WRX, but I'll bet lag will be less with more low-end power - similar to the VW 1.8T in Paul's Jetta? The VW 1.8T produces 180hp IIRC.

    Oops, that time I brought up the WRX, and the Jetta. Sorry.

    I noticed it adds about 200 lbs to the car. Not bad.
  • dsm6dsm6 Posts: 813
    Actually, other than the orange paint, I think it looks pretty good.
  • protege_fanprotege_fan Posts: 2,405
    Doesn't it look just like an MP3, except for the colour and badges??
  • chicagoprochicagopro Posts: 1,009
    You're probably right. Just ignore me, as usual :)

    Gandalf: Really sorry to hear about your injury...those things can take a while to heal. Be good to yourself, and take it easy on the Dakkerries!

  • dsm6dsm6 Posts: 813
    Just read the protegetech info more in detail:

    First, the engine compression ratio stays at 9.1:1, as with the NA 2.0. So no adverse affect to engine off-boost (low-end) performance. That's the good news. Hence the "modest" power gains. On a related note, I would be hesitant, based upon that fact, to do the usual tuner thing and up the boost on the turbo a whole bunch.

    Now for the bad news. Only two color options to be had, according to their info: Black, and vibrant orange. Doh! Maybe (hopefully?) their info is mistaken, or Mazda will have a change of heart.
  • protege_fanprotege_fan Posts: 2,405
    That would look incredible....when clean that is!!!
  • dsm6dsm6 Posts: 813
    sure beats vibrant orange, anyway.
  • nematodenematode Posts: 448
    The good:
    Bigger brakes.
    Limited slip diffy.

    The average:
    Suspension work seems interesting. The MP3 is already the best performing car (700 ft slalom) under $180,000.

    The bad:
    Color is horrible.
    I dont like the wing.
    Only 170hp.

    Would I buy it? Nope. BUT I would not buy the MP3 either. The main reason is lack of power. If I'm getting a turbo or a car with super high spring rates it better be well over 100hp/L. So why dont I drive a WRX?....its ugly as sin.

    As far as the comment on the WRX 2.0L flat 4 turbo.....It taps out at an already high 14.5psi of boost. Larger turbos/intercoolers are already on the market to get that will get near 18-20psi or in the 300-320hp range.
  • protege_fanprotege_fan Posts: 2,405
    I haven't bothered to check the specs for both the MP3 and the MS3, but I'm sure some of you have here are a couple of questions:

    a) Is the supsension setup differently between the 2? If so how?

    b) Is it just me, or isn't that the same body kit as the MP3??? Same wing and all.

  • yooper53yooper53 Posts: 286
    I agree the spoiler on the turbo is hideous as is the color. Ah but a 170 hp Pro! What could be better? I was thinking the insurance companies would probably be drooling and dribbling all over themselves in glee at the cash cow a turbo anything would represent to them. I mean now they're basing premiums on one's credit history in a number of states for criminies sake!
    Vocus, did you take a significant hit on your premiums for daring to buy a turbo car? That's the first thing I thought of when I saw the picture and read the article. Also how much of an improvement do you find the triptronic. I see they're being offered in the new Pros. Please don't tell me its mickey mouse.
    Sporin, "why would you want an AT in THIS car??!!?
    Hey I don't even want one in my '01 ES. Even though I can still drive a stick if I have to, due to an old injury it'd be a real hardship to have to do it day in and day out. 'Nuf said.
  • dsm6dsm6 Posts: 813
    "As far as the comment on the WRX 2.0L flat 4 turbo.....It taps out at an already high 14.5psi of boost. Larger turbos/intercoolers are already on the market to get that will get near 18-20psi or in the 300-320hp range."

    Yeah, its all relative, and people will always want more - myself included. I'd bet aftermarket parts will come out for the ms3, too - at least reprogrammed ECMs, manual boost controllers, etc. On that topic:

    "Only 170 hp."

    The protegetech page speculates 200 hp on the ms3 with some tinkering. As I said, though, at the NA 2.0 compression ratio of 9.1:1, unless the NA engine was engineered with lots of head room (ie, a conservative stock compression ratio), I don't think I'd want to up the boost too much. Plus, no factory warranty. Oh well. Can't afford it anyway, personally.
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    My insurance went from $195 a month to $226 a month with the turbo Jetta. It was WELL worth it to have a car that had some power though.

    The Tiptronic is mostly show, but it does allow the engine to hit 6700rpm in second gear, even though redline is 6500rpm.

    And I just find it amazing that the turbo is only 170hp. Seems underpowered to me for its size. Especially since it gets the same or better fuel economy as my previous 2001 ES did.
  • curt3curt3 Posts: 101
    Vocus, if I am not mistaken, you could be seen posting in the Kia Sephia forum about 2-3 years ago. Do you own one? I traded my 1999 Sephia in for the 2000 Protege that I am currently driving. Don't get me wrong, the Sephia had its good points but being a Protege owner has its plusses--reliability at the top of the list.
  • dsm6dsm6 Posts: 813
    At least I said something nice about the Jetta. :-)
  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    I'm not picking on you here but you did bring up the subject, which in my opinion makes it open for discussion:

    My wife and I pay about $275 per QUARTER for TWO cars (about $1,100 per year) -- and that's with a chargeable accident last year, and two no-faults in the past five years. Do you really pay $226 per MONTH? $2,712 a year?

    I hope that was a typo -- if it isn't, Paul, you really need to go insurance shopping!

  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    No, I post in several forums. I have owned 5 cars over the past 5 years (one totalled, the others traded because I was tired of them or something like that). I also have driven alot of cars too, being a fleet asst. manager for a couple months, driving friends' and my parents' cars, etc. I never owned a Kia (a friend has a 1999 Sephia though, flawless with 65K now), but flirted with the idea of getting one back in 1999. It was about the only car I could have afforded new then, but then I found the Protege. The reason I did not get the Sephia was because of the reliability issues of them, and the poor resale/trade value as well.
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