Mazda Protegé

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  • mdaffronmdaffron Member Posts: 4,421
    Already won it. Just waiting for it to show up in my driveway in three months.

    Waaaaaahhh.

    ;-)
  • mdaffronmdaffron Member Posts: 4,421
    The host monitoring the "Daewoo USA Gone" free-for-all (oops, I mean "discussion") finally pulled the plug on it after months and months of mudslinging. I went over there this morning for my morning laugh (oops, I mean "dose of Korean automotive industry information") and couldn't believe the discussion had been archived -- but not before the host got in one good last word.


    How pitifully humorous. Even they couldn't keep their hands off each others' necks themselves. Perhaps it was because of this death knell:


    http://www.autonews.com/news.cms?newsId=3813


    (I am claiming this to be on-topic since so many of us are past "Daewoo vs. Protege" posters.)


    Goodbye, Daewoo. May your U.S. aspirations rest in peace. Along with all the poor souls who purchased one of your vehicles:

    http://www.autonews.com/news.cms?newsId=3769

    Meade

  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    So not only are they unsafe, but they also aren't able to be repaired once you have an accident in them, and your insurance will be raised or dropped on them. Wonderful.

    I actually drove a Nubira for a day, back in 1999 when they came out. I thought it would be my only way to a new car, then I drove it for a day. I hated the car! I ended up getting the Protege not long after that.. :)

    Funny how the host "capped" that discussion. "The topic says it all, it's gone!". I love it :)
  • mdaffronmdaffron Member Posts: 4,421
    The first new car I ever bought was a 1987 Hyundai Excel. I replaced it after about a year (OK, OK, everybody scream "VOCUS!!!" at me) with a 1988 Excel. Not because there was anything wrong with the '87; it's just that the '87s were the first MY for Hyundai in the U.S. and the '88s had a few more features and were a little (slightly) more refined. Anyway ...

    My '88 Excel GL 5-door hatchback, 5-speed and w/o AC (bad mistake), complete with carbureted, 1.5-liter SOHC engine and AM/FM stereo-cassette and floor mats, was a whopping $7,100. I drove that car for Pizza Hut while I was in college, and in just four years I had about 115,000 miles on it. Except for a transmission problem that was covered under warranty (later recalled), doing all my recommended maintenance (including replacing the timing belt at 60,000 miles) and only a couple other odds & ends -- new CV joints up front at about 90,000 miles, two alternators and an upper radiator hose, all things I consider not too bad (except for TWO alternators) in 120,000 miles, that car was the best transportation investment I've ever owned! Heck, half the price of my Protege!

    (There, NOW this post is on-topic, eh?)

    Meade
  • newcar31newcar31 Member Posts: 3,711
    you could probably pick up a Daewoo now for about 5 bucks. Think of the fun you could have with a car that you didn't give a crap about. First, I'd go off roading in it. Then, I'd probably enter it into a crash up derby (anyone seen the Jackass movie yet?) I guess I could also "ghost ride" the Daewoo off a cliff in the MN river bluffs. I want a Daewoo now. Who needs insurance?
  • newcar31newcar31 Member Posts: 3,711
    I know everyone chips in money for burgers, snacks, sodas, etc. at the MAPP events. For just a little more money from everyone, you could get a Daewoo for the next MAPP to have fun with. People could take turns going off jumps, crashing into things, doing neutral drops, burnouts, etc. Then, at the end, there would be a prize for whoever could do the most dramatic roll over in the parking lot. I might even drive down from MN for that.
  • protege_fanprotege_fan Member Posts: 2,405
    Hilarious movie...although I'm a little disturbed by the yellow snowcone...Ugh! No wait...that whole movie was disturbing...like watching a terrible car wreck that you can't take your eyes off of. Laughed my butt off though.

    Umm...to get back on topic, I'm at 30 500 KM in my Pro. No major problems, although I am getting a squeak from the shocks/suspension when I go over speed bumps when it's cold and I do have some clutch stutter on some cold mornings.
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    I don't know about the squeaking, never had that in either of mine. But the "clutter" is probably the death rattle.
  • protege_fanprotege_fan Member Posts: 2,405
    No...it's not the death rattle. It's a cluch stutter...

    When you start off in the morning and it's cold, if you start in first gear and start to release the clutch, the clutch pedal (or flywheel) will feel like it is slipping or grabbing and releasing. It's not normal, but it goes away once the Pro gets warmed up a bit.
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    I read somewhere that in a long-term test of a Miata, they had the same problem. They didn't say if it went away when the car warmed up though. Also, that falls under "adjustments" and is only covered for 1 year/12K miles.
  • tomcivilettitomciviletti Member Posts: 207
    I recently installed 205/55-15 bridgestone potenza s-03 pole position's on my '99 es pro. They stick like glue, respond like lightening, and ride more comfortably than the RE92's. Treadware rating is 220 vs 160 [RE92's were good for 30k miles]. Now if this Oregon drought ends, I can see if the wet performance is as good as tirerack.com tests indicate.

    The only downside is that they are not significantly quieter than RE92's on rough pavement, though I find their sound less irritating [different frequency spectrum, me thinks].
  • protege_fanprotege_fan Member Posts: 2,405
    If the flywheel has hotspots or something like that, I wouldn't think that's an "adjustment". One would hope the warranty would cover something like that.
  • boggseboggse Member Posts: 1,048
    Meade,

    I just recommended the Dunlop SP Sport A2 to my sister-in-law for her Toyota Avalon. I hope she likes them as much as you seem to.
  • dinu01dinu01 Member Posts: 2,586
    Focus: Just when I thought Ford finally had this car under control, it pops up again w/more news. Fireworks are nice and all, but not in a car.

    6: Thanx for the link Meade! I now have a new wallpaper and screensaver.

    Dinu
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    From what I have seen on other forums, these tires seem to be well liked by other users with different makes of cars as well.
  • mdaffronmdaffron Member Posts: 4,421
    Ted, I've got about 12,000 miles on my A2s now. Still going strong and gripping wet and dry pavement like Velcro. Highly recommended tire, especially for the price. I see now that TireAmerica (i.e. Sears) is now selling the tire in several sizes (just not mine, of course.)

    Dinu ... No problem. I played the game too, and I didn't win. Maybe next time.

    Meade
  • mdaffronmdaffron Member Posts: 4,421
    In our poor, drought-ridden, bone-dry state of Virginia ...


    http://weather.noaa.gov/radar/latest/DS.p37cr/si.kakq.shtml


    Meade

  • bluong1bluong1 Member Posts: 1,927
    I plan to change them myself at some point.
  • newcar31newcar31 Member Posts: 3,711
    Who needs a torque wrench, just tighten till your elbow clicks. Seriously, I didn't use a torque wrench for my plugs and I never have. Just be careful not to overtighten and strip the threads out of the head.

    Meade-I didn't see those tire on Tirerack.com.
  • maltbmaltb Member Posts: 3,572
    I agree, just tighten them until you feel the washers crush and then seat. However, if you like your current cylinder head, I'd reccomend using anti-seize compound on the threads.
  • newcar31newcar31 Member Posts: 3,711
    Like Malt says, don't forget the anti-seize. A little di-electric grease on the non-electrode tip of the plug wouldn't hurt either.
  • bluong1bluong1 Member Posts: 1,927
    Hearing horrible stories about the aluminum cylinder head, I was a little concerned. The last time I did change the plugs is on an old 1.1l engine of 55 hp (even adjusting the spark timing and fuel mixture on this thing!)
  • maltbmaltb Member Posts: 3,572
    (even adjusting the spark timing and fuel mixture on this thing!)

    Were those steering column levers? LOL
  • fowler3fowler3 Member Posts: 1,919
    only interior color for the M6? I sure hope not, but you know Mazda. Can't afford everything like the other companies.

    fowler3
  • dinu01dinu01 Member Posts: 2,586
    Beige, Grey or Black. Personally I love the black in my ES. Makes it looks more luxurious and the fabric quality is really good.

    Dinu
  • maltbmaltb Member Posts: 3,572
    Nice topic boomerang, BTW.

    O/T: I prefer the black interior on that other car compared to the gray (what I'm getting) or the beige.
  • newcar31newcar31 Member Posts: 3,711
    That was one of the things that I really liked about the ES. Both my Mustang and Integra had tan interiors and I was sick of them.
  • newcar31newcar31 Member Posts: 3,711
    I just picked up the new Sport Compact Car mag and they have a test on the new Neon SRT-4. This car is the Hemi-Cuda of sport compact cars. 5.8 sec 0-60, 14.1 1/4 mile. It put 223 hp and 250 lbs-ft of torque to the FRONT WHEELS on SCC's dynojet. It was a prototype, but DaimlerChryler engineers said it was within a couple percent of production numbers. $20K. This car is friggin nuts. Everybody is now thinking torque steer.

    SCC:

    "Some may complain about the relatively mild torque steer. But this much power for this little green will always come with a few compromises, and we'll deal with some torque in our steering if it means having this much fun. Deal with it. We give Dodge two thumbs up for having gonads big enough to produce a front driver with this kind of gusto."

    Hell yeah! MT says the Focus gets a 225 hp Mazda turbo 4 cyl in 2004. Logic would have it that the next Mazdaspeed Protege gets the same engine. Suddenly, there's a serious power war in the SCC market. SE-Rs will be slaughtered by these turbo monsters. WRXs will be caught off gaurd. I might not see 40,000 miles in my 2001 ES.
  • cpaulyeecpaulyee Member Posts: 19
    Hi everyone, I haven't posted in a while, I enjoy reading more than writing but has anyone tried that "as seen on tv" suction cup dent puller? My 2001 LX 2.0 is doing fine, except the Pro has picked up a couple of door dings, one of them right above the LX logo. Rather than pay for the dentless repair method, I saw that commercial that ofcourse makes the suction method look so easy. Its the one where you place the suction cup over the ding, twist the knob and it pops out? Take care and aloha everybody.
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Member Posts: 3,387
    Even Benz is getting carried away with twin turbo V12's. You'd think gas was free or something.
  • cpaulyeecpaulyee Member Posts: 19
    Hi everyone, I haven't posted in a while, I enjoy reading more than writing but has anyone tried that "as seen on tv" suction cup dent puller? My 2001 LX 2.0 is doing fine, except the Pro has picked up a couple of door dings, one of them right above the LX logo. Rather than pay for the dentless repair method, I saw that commercial that ofcourse makes the suction method look so easy. Its the one where you place the suction cup over the ding, twist the knob and it pops out? Take care and aloha everybody.
  • alternatoralternator Member Posts: 629
    Chilton's 2001 Import Auto Service Manual says 11-16 ft-lbs spark plug torque for all 2.0 Mazda engines from 1997-2001. IMO you really should use a torque wrench the first time at least. Then you will have a feel for what is the proper force to use.
  • the_big_hthe_big_h Member Posts: 1,583
    check this out:


    http://forum.protegemp3.com/vbb222/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9263


    man, waiting for the RX-8 just gets harder and harder....

  • protege_fanprotege_fan Member Posts: 2,405
    I've seen what you're talking about, but am somewhat skeptical. I know the PDR (paintless dent removal) people usually use rods to slowly push out the dent from the inside out.
  • mazdafunmazdafun Member Posts: 2,329
    Using suction cups? I doubt they'd work since you only have atmospheric pressure as a max cap, which I don't think will remove sheet metal dents (unless you have a 70s Honda, an 80s Hyundai or something similar with thin, cheap sheetmetal).

    Anyhoo, I think the 2003.5 Mazdaspeed Protege looks alright, except for that spoiler. I prefer the silver to the black and especially the spicy orange.
  • newcar31newcar31 Member Posts: 3,711
    No wonder I couldn't find them. They don't make 195/50/16 or 205/50/16 in that tire. That's too bad because that treadwear rating looks mighty tempting after these SP 5000s.
  • bluong1bluong1 Member Posts: 1,927
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    So you gonna end up trading your Protege in for the SRT-4? They are pretty hot from what I have heard, but I hate the revised styling on the Neons. It looks like they took the front end of the Stratus, gave it bug eyes, and put it on the Neon.
  • newcar31newcar31 Member Posts: 3,711
    No, I was just kidding. Gotta give Dodge credit though for making that thing. In true 60's Chrysler fashion, they introduce a car that is stupid fast for not a lot of money. Even if you don't like it, you have to admit that it has raised the horsepower bar considerably in this class. That's why we're hearing about 225 hp Foci and Proteges. Mitsubishi, GM, and Nissan have to have something up their sleeves also. It's gonna be good folks...
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    I just recently heard about the 225-hp turbo engine going into the Focus and possibly the Protege for 2004. Also, I know the EVI VII is on its way for Mitsubishi, so I am curious to see that. Nissan has the Z car out now, but that's not really in the same class. That's the only thing I know with them now though.

    I actually liked the way my ex-roommate's Neon drove and the seats, but it was just pretty unreliable.
  • newcar31newcar31 Member Posts: 3,711
    Nissan has to have something up it's sleeve for the Sentra. They aren't going to sit back and watch the SE-R get it's [non-permissible content removed] kicked, cause that's what's gonna happen if Nissan gets lazy.
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    Well I know Nissan had a problem with the SE-R engines when they came out. The HP figures were wrong or something like that, from what I remember.
  • mdaffronmdaffron Member Posts: 4,421
    http://www.auto.com/industry/iwirf6_20021106.htm


    (The sorrowful violin music plays on)


    Meade

  • dsm6dsm6 Member Posts: 813
    As a driving enthusiast, you've got to love it. It may come around to bite the folks who pick up these machines, though, through outrageous insurance premiums.

    That's one advantage of putting together your own budget hot rod - your insurance agent doesn't need to be aware of the fact that you can run a 13 second quarter mile. For factory tuned cars, the manufacturer lets everyone in on the secret. I guess the effect is somewhat limited by the low volume, special edition of a production car nature of these vehicles.

    I guess there is always a price to pay. You can't afford the speed if you can't afford to bleed (money, one way or the other).
  • maltbmaltb Member Posts: 3,572
    I have seen very few examples of cars that were tuned right for the same price you'd pay for a factory job with higher insurance premiums.

    I learned this with all the fun I had with watercooled VWs. I went full circle with side draft carbs and a full flow head only to end up with my last one being a completely stock Jetta that I sold in good condition at 175k miles.
  • dsm6dsm6 Member Posts: 813
    Yes, it is easy to get the tuning wrong, but not impossible to get it right. It will cost you, no doubt about it, and you can kiss your warranty good-bye.

    OTOH, I can remember some factory tuners in the past that, as a result of escalating horsepower wars, were near impossible to insure because many companies were flat out refusing to write policies on them. Obviously that is the extreme case, but there have been many others for which you could get insurance, but you had to pay big time for it.

    Like I said, one way or the other, it seems like you always have to pay to play (as many kids have discovered after buying their oh so affordable Camaros only to find they couldn't even come close to insuring it, and as many other kids have discovered when their supercharged Civics seize).
  • newcar31newcar31 Member Posts: 3,711
    "(as many kids have discovered after buying their oh so affordable Camaros only to find they couldn't even come close to insuring it)."

    Hey, that was me, only it was a 91' LX 5.0L Mustang. It wasn't just the insurance either. These things like to consume a lot of gas, tires, and brakes also.
  • dsm6dsm6 Member Posts: 813
    These are some of the reasons I've been banished (self-imposed) to under-powered car land.
  • viper0074viper0074 Member Posts: 56
    Newcar31 - Are you talking about Dunlop's SP 5000s? What's wrong with them? I put them on my 3.5RL last December because they were cheaper to replace then the OEM tires (Michelin MXV4s). How long should I expect them to last? Thanks.
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