Meade, Congrats my friend. I know you will be a great father. The love for your child is the strongest feeling in the world, IMHO! Please, tell Tammy, the Kline's send their love.
Hi, I just test drove a Protege5 and I'm thinking of trading my passat for it. I'm in Toronto, Canada and have NEVER heard of X-plan. Is it like Autobytel?
Yeah, the others are very right! The 1.6L engine does not go above 45 mph! So sorry all you 1.6L owners out there. It also takes more gas then the 2.0L because that is only logical. So basically if you own a 1.6L Protege you have to push your cars to get anywhere while at the same time feeding it tons of gas, because everyone knows that the Protege is such a bad gas guzzler. Oh, and because of the lack of power you are probably going to die!
Come on people!! A Protege is Protege! I know a lot of you ES owners think your cars are soooo much better the the other ones but in truth there is not that much deference. I mean it isn't like night or day or apples and oranges. And I can safely say that the next Protege will look different then the current one, the next one draws most of its inspiration from the up-and-coming RX-8 and Audis. I can say that truthfully because a press agent friend of mine actually got to go the Mazda open house thing where they showed the car.
Yes the 2.0L has more power but jeeze it isn't like the 1.6L is gut-less, it is actually a lot of fun to drive. Trust me I own a 2001 LX 2.0 and a 2000 LX 1.6L.
I know that I will probably get many messages saying how wrong I am but hey...A PROTEGE IS A PROTEGE! They are all wonderful cars!
There is information on S-plan in lots of messages in the early 400s. hepworth1 discussed the Canadian version (X-plan) in messages in the 1290s and 1390s, and then announced it's appearance in Canada in 2082 and 2084. I used it to buy my P5 and got about $850 off MSRP.
As the owner of a '99 ES, I really enjoy the peppy engine in my car. That said, I think a 1.6 with a manual would still be a fun car to drive when doing normal commuting chores. Prime example, on my way in to work today, I never exceeded 50 mph. If that was the norm, I think a 1.6 would get me by just fine. Sure, it doesn't have the same power as the 1.8 or 2.0, but not everyone needs it.
I would add that I would never consider it with the automatic transmission. I hate how buzzy cars with small 4-cyl engines and autos are, just my opinion. If it were me, I would opt for the LX 2.0 if I could.
and others, I didn’t mean to emply that the 1.6L LX’s (or DX’s) top speed is 45mph. What I was saying is the torque maxes at the lower end so there is little left for merging at Interstate or expressway speeds. You have to allow additional space between on-coming cars and additional time to merge safely. Motorists behind you get impatient sometimes forcing you to make bad decisions, going when you should have waited.
Go for the LX 2.0L at least!
Power windows and door locks breaking? I have never heard of this and I have had those two features on at least 11 cars. But I have seen how crank window handles eventually fall off.
It's close... I can feel it. If I can work out the kinks with the dealer, I may be driving my s-plan, "special ordered", ES on a cross-country vacation late in the summer. How's that for ZOOM ZOOMing in the USA? Two questions I haven't seen brought up...
1. How do the dealer/customer commit to an s-plan price on a "special order" car when they don't have the invoice with the official s-plan price on it?
2. When and where is the rear spoiler actually installed? I can't believe it was made standard on the ES (Anyone else share the view?). I was wondering if I could prevent it's installation. Heck, I don't mind paying for it even if it isn't there. (My first query to a dealer got a non-committal response.)
Vienna, VA? That's where I bought my ES. Which dealer are you ordering the car from? Why do you need to "order" it. 1. I assume the dealer should be able to tell you by the options that you choose. 2. No idea.
Well, the one on the P5 actually looks good there. But the trunk-lid ones almost always look terrible. Ruins the lines of the Protege sedan IMHO.
I think the current ES trim comes with rear lid spoilers standard from the factory. (Maltb?) That, in conjunction with the red dash lighting, is enough to make me prefer the LX2.0. Too bad about not having the 4-wheel disc brakes though.
I also think they should unbundle the ABS from the moonroof. I don't fit into a Pro with a moonroof.
I think he was referring to the P5. I don't think they should have ABS bundled to the moonroof either. That is not fair.
On a side note, when I left the restaurant I had lunch in today, I was sitting in the car when someone came over and tapped on the window. I opened it, and he asked me where I got my car. He said he had a 1998 LX (which I saw behind me) and he wanted the 2001 ES. This was in Southern Maryland, and he said dealers down here have told him everything from, "they're not available" to "they don't make them anymore". I gave him the name and number of my dealer and sent him on his way. Or so I thought. He started asking questions about the options and features of the car. I cherfully answered his questions, and he said he was going to call today about getting one for himself. I have the Premium Pkg., and that's what he wanted. They must be hard to find, if dealers are telling people they no longer make them.
I have only seen one 2001 ES 2.0 Protege in the Maryland/DC area, except for my black one. It was Sanfrift with the moonroof. As many people who say they have them on the site, it's weird not to see any at all here. That's okay, because it makes me feel special to have one when no one else around me does.
No worries, I didn't think you were slamming the 1.6 at all. We all know it can get to the higher speeds, it just takes it longer to get there! That is why I sprung for the bigger engine. But again, the ability to accelerate quickly at all speeds isn't always high on everyone's list.
As for the spoiler, to each their own, but I don't like 'em on hardly any sedans. They don't add any function on vehicles like ours and I think they spoil the lines. The ES I purchased had one on it. I told them I didn't want it. After trying to talk me into it, they finally relented and took the trunk lid off another black Protege they had in stock and put it on my car. I walked away happy. It really should be an option on the 01 ES.
I personally like the spoiler on the back of my 01 ES. It adds a sporty look to the car, along with the standard fog lamps and 16-inch wheels and tires. I am glad the spoiler is standard though, because then I was not worried about having to look around for it when buying my car. I also think it makes the car feel more stable in the wind too. It feels alot more stable in the wind than my DX did, of course the tires are bigger on it too and that might have something to do with it.
A question for MaltB... Will wheel locks from a 1999 Protege fit my 2001? I was wondering, because I see them for sale on EBay sometimes and was going to invest in a set of them since I have such nice wheels on my ES.
Yup. Vienna, VA. I've gotten along with Brown's Fairfax Mazda pretty well -- they haven't given me *much* of a runaround -- and they just told me yesterday I could "order" an ES on the s-plan.
I've got to "order" it because the ES/5sp/PremiumPkg is so scarce and/or popular.
Another update on the "moonroof credit". I called Mazda Customer Support today, and the rep *read* me the local (VA) incentive: Protege with moonroof = $1000 cash (or $500 cash + special financing), Protege without moonroof = $500 cash (or $0 cash + special financing).
"Basically," she said. "They are paying you for the moonroof." (I can't remember if she stated it was ES specific.)
Doesn't sound like other reports I have heard here. Take it with a grain of salt. So much for consistency. )
I personally like the spoiler on my ES 2.0L also. However, it is all form and no function whatsoever. First of all, the Protoge cannot reach the speeds necessary for the spoiler to be effective. Second of all, why would you want downforce on the back of a front wheel drive car? I believe that the spoiler is purely for looks.
In the context of NASCARs, implying (to me) its not really useful at normal street (legal!) speeds.
One web site that sells spoilers had a particularly hilarious quote ...
"No one likes to get speeding tickets. Now you can add the look of speed to your car without pegging the radar gun. That's right, with a rear car spoiler your sports car can look like it's going a hundred miles an hour while it sits at the traffic light. And no one's going to mess with a car with a rear spoiler, are they? "
I wonder if anyone's done a survey or study to find out if having a spoiler increases your chances of being pulled over and ticketed for speeding!
(of course, I'm not one to speak about speeding - I've gotten a ticket, well a warning, for speeding in my 95 Protege DX - Zoom Zoom!)
As far as I'm concerned, people put a spoiler onto their car to improve the appearance. If you like it get it!
That said, its unfair for a car company to decide to sell a particular trim of car with a spoiler only! It should be an option.
Paul, I saw my first 2001 Pro-ES, today. I spotted a Mica Black Protege about a mile from my home, on my way to work. I followed it for about a mile. The Protege is very nice looking from the rear! BTW, the black color was awesome.
I need a car and went to the famous Mazda dealer. Drove and automatic ES with roof, Nice I thought. Then I saw a 5 speed 2.0 LX. Drove it and wow what a car with the 5 speed. Then I asked OK, can you get me ES 5 speed with Premium package or just with sunroof whatever combo. Cannot find any in a 7 state region. Screw you Mazda. My business is gone to a Nissan SEntra SE 5 Speed. Not my first choice but only one left. Is Mazda in business to make money? INKY
I see I'm not the only person having trouble finding a Mazda. I am looking for a silver protege 5-speed ES 2.0 with the 1ES (premium) package. I want the ABS and side bags and roof, and won't settle for less. No one can find the car, not in IL or several other states I checked. When I asked about ordering, it turned out they couldn't say if I would even get the car - somethng about Mazda occasionally dropping orders near the time of the next model year.
So, Mazda makes this great car and I can't get it. So I don't want a Ford Expedition with an automatic! Some of us like quick, small cars! Mazda needs to build more.
Anyone else had luck ordering a car from Mazda? I was told it could take up to 3 months! For now, I'll go look at the Maxima and WRX, but I'd rather save money and own that 5-speed Protege.
My dealer had a hard time finding me a Silver Protege but the good people at Perry Mazda in Santa Barbara sent two poeple down to another dealership a hour and a half away to retrieve exactly the car I wanted. I got the car I had specified 1 day after I told them what I wanted. It depends a lot on what color you want. Silver is one of the hardest to find. If they can't find you that car in any color then that is strange.
I just switched to Mobil 1 synthetic on my 01 Protoge ES, now I have to see if it does anything for my mileage. One thing that I did notice is that when I start the car, the oil light goes off instantly, much quicker than with regular oil. That has to be a good thing. I feel lucky that I got my car exactly how I wanted it within 2 days and it is silver and a 5sp---supposedly 5sp cars and silver cars are hard to find.
Well, there you go. Here in Edmonton, Alberta, I was at one of the Mazda shops today and they had 2 ES models, black and that turquoise green color. They had the GT package and were both 5 speeds.
That being said, I was wiping the drool off my face after checking out the dark blue Protege5. They had only received it a few days earlier but it was already spoken for. I was able to sit in it though. It was loaded, inch. the roof. The only possible option was a dealer installed roof-rack. After checking out the reports here I thought I'd be disappointed with the hatch storage area but it didn't seem too bad to me... Have to think about that one. The dealer said their P5 stock will be slim until July.... I'm seriously tempted to trade in my 99 Protege ES (1.6l, auto)...
I've seen a few words passed about new P5 but I don't see any comments or questions related to it. I would really appreciate if those of you that test drove P5 would share there experince.Post anything especially any new quotes or "expressions of the day stated by dealers.
I'm trying to get some info about new P5 but unfortunetly cann't,(it didn't come to New York or anywhere near it. So please write something about it besides that its a ES sedan with touch of a hatch back.
zhenya, this is not a real time "chat" - it is a message board that folks visit and post on when convenient or the mood strikes or whatever. I'm sure if and when the participants of this discussion see your post and have something to add, you'll hear from them.
Meanwhile, tell us about what you know, more specifically what you'd like to know and your interest in the Protege 5 - that's one way to get some conversation started.
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On the hatchback board there is a discussion of the Protege5, where a number of people have posted their reviews of test drives and so on. There is also a lot more information on the car there. Remember, you are posting in the sedan board about a car that is not a sedan. (Also many of the regular posters seem to do it from work, so I don't find too many people posting on the weekend.)
Well Mr. Jim Croston you have quite a way with phrases, IMHO. "Screw you" or better yet "Kiss my ..." I'm sure our host could construe your expressions as being in violation of the Edmunds Town Hall user agreement? Your post was rude and at least misguided. You need to direct your concerns to Mazda North America, not the good folks at this discussion.
BTW, why did you even consider a Mazda Protege? I thought you wanted , "the Passat drive with the Accord ownership experience"? Nonetheless, I'm sure you will be a huge asset at the Nissan Sentra Discussion. ;-o
Inky's blowing off steam at MAZDA over the fact he can't find the car with something as simple as a 5 speed. Apparently that's now allowed? One should rejoice that the car he/she wants is unavailable?
I was originally in the market for a leather-lined 1.8T Jetta, but the fact that it's non-existant currently (Wolfsburgs took all the 1.8Ts) I'm in much the same boat as Inky. I'd like to look at the Protege but unfortunately the base 130 HP engine in the ES is too gutless for my tastes, so I'm left sitting around until the MPS shows up. Still not sure if that's gonna be enough power as it only makes 140. We'll see. But I can relate to Inky...two cars I'm interested in, 1.8T and the MPS and neither is available.
It might be helpful if you tell us what sort of things are there (or you expect to be there). I'm pretty happy with what I have here in Edmund's and need a good reason to go checking elsewhere.
BTW, the only messages I have seen you post have been about your forum. Maybe if you contributed something to this (these) discussion(s) people would be more interested in contributing to yours.
I can see that ES's are becoming rarified as clean air. A dealer around here said he could order one and get it in two months. I'm getting the Es with the 1ES prem pkg. Now should I go 5 spd or auto? My main consideration is longevity. I hear that Ford has something to do with the auto and my VW mechanic said stay away from any trans by Ford and having owned two Fords I completely agree? Any comments guys?
"I hear that Ford has something to do with the auto and my VW mechanic said stay away from any trans by Ford and having owned two Fords I completely agree? Any comments guys?"
That comment has more to do with the tranny (made by ford) in the 626 automatic. The tranny in the protege is not the same. It is %100 JAPAN made and has nothing to do with ford. I have had no problem with my 2001 LX 2.0 and I am sure others can relate. I have a friend that has a 91 protege with over 100,000 miles on it with no problems.
There is a MP3 at Walser Mazda here in MN. I don't know where you live, but it could be a nice road trip up here to Bloomington, MN. You can check out the Mall of America on your way out. By the way, I went and looked at that MP3 and that short shifter and steering wheel look sweeeet. I may need to order those from the parts department for my ES.
Did they have any ES at Harrelson Mazda? I called last week and they had a Millenium Red with an automatic. I didn't ask if it was a premium package or at least had a moonroof.
How much is the 01' LX with auto and ac? is it powerful enough or not for two people who tend to drive hard, 4cyl is enough but most of the driving is all city and accelerating hard and we drive near 80 on the freeway, but is it reliable and cheap to maintain any of you can you please inform me, oh also does the dark green paint shine for at least 7 years if taken care of or not? Is the 1.6 motor reliable enough to make it up to 100,000 miles easily if well taken care of , and running like new? please let us know, bye.:)
Depends on what you get (if any special discounts), I would say around $17,000 out the door is average.
"is it powerful enough or not for two people who tend to drive hard, 4cyl is enough but most of the driving is all city and accelerating hard and we drive near 80 on the freeway"
Yes....the LX 2.0 has 130hp engine. This should be enough for just about anyone.
"but is it reliable and cheap to maintain"
This car is very reliable and should stand the test of time. This car is built 100% in JAPAN. Repair cost is average for a japan built car.
"dark green paint shine for at least 7 years if taken care of or not?"
The paint on this car is good. It will last a lot longer than any american made car. Like any paint, you need to wax and clean to keep it looking good. Any car can have bad paint if abused.
"Is the 1.6 motor reliable enough to make it up to 100,000 miles easily if well taken care of , and running like new?"
Yes. This engine is good and you should not have any problems.
On a final note: Any car can be good or bad. It depends on the owner.
Uh, folks, we're not going to get into making fun of other TH members.
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I love this site, but this HOST control thing is getting out of hand. And even if someone gets banned, they can always just get a new screen name. What is the point?
Your Town Hall User Profile states you are currently shopping for a BMW (pre-owned, I guess?) and you stated in your last post that you are presently shopping for a Jetta. Why should anyone in a Mazda Protege Discussion care about your opinions of the PRO-ES? Any BMW and the Jetta turbo 1.8-liter Four, obivioulsly make many more ponies than a Protege.
I sold my car last week with Passat in mind but got wary of VW. I had no idea that the 5 Speed ES really does not exist. So when my local dealer had 99 over invoice for Memorial Day weekend--I said why spend 25k on Passat. $16k for this great car. I drove 2.0 LX 5 speed. What an engine. That said the dealer was nice but could not find my car--all I had to do was pay $200 more to go get it. None to get. I vented because I was carless, my wife was tired of sharing a car. Believe it or not I bought a 99 Civic LX speed. No rocket but will get 40 mpg. I hope to trade within the year on a 2002 Protege ES. If I have to, I will order one this fall. But by then the new Altima will be out and more choices will abound. Again, sorry to all. I was rude with my crude terms. INKY
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Congrats my friend. I know you will be a great father. The love for your child is the strongest feeling in the world, IMHO! Please, tell Tammy, the Kline's send their love.
God Bless you and your family,
Larry
Thanks!
Come on people!! A Protege is Protege! I know a lot of you ES owners think your cars are soooo much better the the other ones but in truth there is not that much deference. I mean it isn't like night or day or apples and oranges. And I can safely say that the next Protege will look different then the current one, the next one draws most of its inspiration from the up-and-coming RX-8 and Audis. I can say that truthfully because a press agent friend of mine actually got to go the Mazda open house thing where they showed the car.
Yes the 2.0L has more power but jeeze it isn't like the 1.6L is gut-less, it is actually a lot of fun to drive. Trust me I own a 2001 LX 2.0 and a 2000 LX 1.6L.
I know that I will probably get many messages saying how wrong I am but hey...A PROTEGE IS A PROTEGE! They are all wonderful cars!
Nomi
I would add that I would never consider it with the automatic transmission. I hate how buzzy cars with small 4-cyl engines and autos are, just my opinion. If it were me, I would opt for the LX 2.0 if I could.
Go for the LX 2.0L at least!
Power windows and door locks breaking? I have never heard of this and I have had those two features on at least 11 cars. But I have seen how crank window handles eventually fall off.
fowler3
Happy Holiday everyone.
fowler3
1. How do the dealer/customer commit to an s-plan price on a "special order" car when they don't have the invoice with the official s-plan price on it?
2. When and where is the rear spoiler actually installed? I can't believe it was made standard on the ES (Anyone else share the view?). I was wondering if I could prevent it's installation. Heck, I don't mind paying for it even if it isn't there. (My first query to a dealer got a non-committal response.)
I'm betting some recent buyers can relate...
rfasani
1. I assume the dealer should be able to tell you by the options that you choose.
2. No idea.
Well, the one on the P5 actually looks good there. But the trunk-lid ones almost always look terrible. Ruins the lines of the Protege sedan IMHO.
I think the current ES trim comes with rear lid spoilers standard from the factory. (Maltb?) That, in conjunction with the red dash lighting, is enough to make me prefer the LX2.0. Too bad about not having the 4-wheel disc brakes though.
I also think they should unbundle the ABS from the moonroof. I don't fit into a Pro with a moonroof.
There are ES's with ABS/SAB and no moonroof in Kentucky, Indiana, etc.
On a side note, when I left the restaurant I had lunch in today, I was sitting in the car when someone came over and tapped on the window. I opened it, and he asked me where I got my car. He said he had a 1998 LX (which I saw behind me) and he wanted the 2001 ES. This was in Southern Maryland, and he said dealers down here have told him everything from, "they're not available" to "they don't make them anymore". I gave him the name and number of my dealer and sent him on his way. Or so I thought. He started asking questions about the options and features of the car. I cherfully answered his questions, and he said he was going to call today about getting one for himself. I have the Premium Pkg., and that's what he wanted. They must be hard to find, if dealers are telling people they no longer make them.
I have only seen one 2001 ES 2.0 Protege in the Maryland/DC area, except for my black one. It was Sanfrift with the moonroof. As many people who say they have them on the site, it's weird not to see any at all here. That's okay, because it makes me feel special to have one when no one else around me does.
As for the spoiler, to each their own, but I don't like 'em on hardly any sedans. They don't add any function on vehicles like ours and I think they spoil the lines. The ES I purchased had one on it. I told them I didn't want it. After trying to talk me into it, they finally relented and took the trunk lid off another black Protege they had in stock and put it on my car. I walked away happy. It really should be an option on the 01 ES.
A question for MaltB... Will wheel locks from a 1999 Protege fit my 2001? I was wondering, because I see them for sale on EBay sometimes and was going to invest in a set of them since I have such nice wheels on my ES.
I've got to "order" it because the ES/5sp/PremiumPkg is so scarce and/or popular.
"Basically," she said. "They are paying you for the moonroof." (I can't remember if she stated it was ES specific.)
Doesn't sound like other reports I have heard here. Take it with a grain of salt. So much for consistency.
http://www.thatsracin.com/98/0405/0404spoiler.htm
In the context of NASCARs, implying (to me) its not really useful at normal street (legal!) speeds.
One web site that sells spoilers had a particularly hilarious quote ...
"No one likes to get speeding tickets. Now you can add the look of speed to your car without pegging the radar gun. That's right, with a rear car spoiler your sports car can look like it's going a hundred miles an hour while it sits at the traffic light. And no one's going to mess with a car with a rear spoiler, are they? "
I wonder if anyone's done a survey or study to find out if having a spoiler increases your chances of being pulled over and ticketed for speeding!
(of course, I'm not one to speak about speeding - I've gotten a ticket, well a warning, for speeding in my 95 Protege DX - Zoom Zoom!)
As far as I'm concerned, people put a spoiler onto their car to improve the appearance. If you like it get it!
That said, its unfair for a car company to decide to sell a particular trim of car with a spoiler only! It should be an option.
But I do like the look of a spoiler on the ES!
Mazda dealers don’t seem to carry third party alloys, Honda dealers carry optional alloys with the Honda logo in the center of the wheels.
fowler3
-Larry
INKY
a silver protege 5-speed ES 2.0 with the 1ES (premium) package. I want the
ABS and side bags and roof, and won't settle for less. No one can find the
car, not in IL or several other states I checked. When I asked about ordering,
it turned out they couldn't say if I would even get the car - somethng about Mazda
occasionally dropping orders near the time of the next model year.
So, Mazda makes this great car and I can't get it. So I don't want a
Ford Expedition with an automatic! Some of us like quick, small cars!
Mazda needs to build more.
Anyone else had luck ordering a car from Mazda? I was told it could take
up to 3 months! For now, I'll go look at the Maxima and WRX, but I'd rather
save money and own that 5-speed Protege.
That being said, I was wiping the drool off my face after checking out the dark blue Protege5. They had only received it a few days earlier but it was already spoken for. I was able to sit in it though. It was loaded, inch. the roof. The only possible option was a dealer installed roof-rack. After checking out the reports here I thought I'd be disappointed with the hatch storage area but it didn't seem too bad to me... Have to think about that one. The dealer said their P5 stock will be slim until July.... I'm seriously tempted to trade in my 99 Protege ES (1.6l, auto)...
but I don't see any comments or questions
related to it. I would really appreciate if those of you that test drove P5 would share there experince.Post anything especially any new quotes or "expressions of the day stated by dealers.
zhenya, this is not a real time "chat" - it is a message board that folks visit and post on when convenient or the mood strikes or whatever. I'm sure if and when the participants of this discussion see your post and have something to add, you'll hear from them.
Meanwhile, tell us about what you know, more specifically what you'd like to know and your interest in the Protege 5 - that's one way to get some conversation started.
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Nomi
BTW, why did you even consider a Mazda Protege? I thought you wanted , "the Passat drive with the Accord ownership experience"? Nonetheless, I'm sure you will be a huge asset at the Nissan Sentra Discussion. ;-o
-Larry
I was originally in the market for a leather-lined 1.8T Jetta, but the fact that it's non-existant currently (Wolfsburgs took all the 1.8Ts) I'm in much the same boat as Inky. I'd like to look at the Protege but unfortunately the base 130 HP engine in the ES is too gutless for my tastes, so I'm left sitting around until the MPS shows up. Still not sure if that's gonna be enough power as it only makes 140. We'll see. But I can relate to Inky...two cars I'm interested in, 1.8T and the MPS and neither is available.
http://pub70.ezboard.com/bprotegepower
if u guys dont support it, at least u take a look of it pls
BTW, the only messages I have seen you post have been about your forum. Maybe if you contributed something to this (these) discussion(s) people would be more interested in contributing to yours.
Nomi
You could not be more wrong.
That comment has more to do with the tranny (made by ford) in the 626 automatic. The tranny in the protege is not the same. It is %100 JAPAN made and has nothing to do with ford. I have had no problem with my 2001 LX 2.0 and I am sure others can relate. I have a friend that has a 91 protege with over 100,000 miles on it with no problems.
Depends on what you get (if any special discounts), I would say around $17,000 out the door is average.
"is it powerful enough or not for two people who tend to drive hard, 4cyl is enough but most of the driving is all city and accelerating hard and we drive near 80 on the freeway"
Yes....the LX 2.0 has 130hp engine. This should be enough for just about anyone.
"but is it reliable and cheap to maintain"
This car is very reliable and should stand the test of time. This car is built 100% in JAPAN. Repair cost is average for a japan built car.
"dark green paint shine for at least 7 years if taken care of or not?"
The paint on this car is good. It will last a lot longer than any american made car. Like any paint, you need to wax and clean to keep it looking good. Any car can have bad paint if abused.
"Is the 1.6 motor reliable enough to make it up to 100,000 miles easily if well taken care of , and running like new?"
Yes. This engine is good and you should not have any problems.
On a final note: Any car can be good or bad. It depends on the owner.
Feel free to ignore any messages you wish to ignore, but when making posts you must keep in mind that civil and respectful discourse is required by your Terms of Use. Disrepectful comments about other members are not appropriate.
Thank you.
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With civility and respect,
Larry
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INKY