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many thanks for some long awaited real info.
Thanks,
Ryan
outside of the passing times in which the Ford downshifted and the Dodge didn't (probably because it didn't have to (grin)), I hardly see a tenth of a second in acceleration as a performance advantage.
The engines simply proved to be properly matched for their chassis, that's all. If you match up the two diesels with the right axle ratios and tires, you'll get a similar result.
about three weeks now and am very pleased with it.
Coming from a 97 f-150 with the 4.6 was quite a
change. The V-10 is a very smooth running motor.
Seemed like the 4.6 was always shifting in and out
of overdrive. The V-10 has to come on a REAL steep
hill to shift down. I'm getting 14-15 mpg hiway
which is not much worse than the 4.6.
There is an interesting article in the Sept.
Motor Trend on the Dodge and Ford V-10's. The
smaller Ford V-10 holds its own against the Dodge
0-40 then just edges it out 0-60 and in the quarter
mile. Towing the Ford did even better.
I'm sure glad I spent that $285 more for the
V-10.
The tenth of second difference was when the trucks were empty. The two engines were a dead heat when empty. When pulling the 4,000 pound boat, the Ford V-10 won by three seconds in the 40-60mph acceleration area. Both are good engines, but three seconds is not really insignificant.
The test surprised me. I figured the Dodge would beat the Ford off the line empty because of the extra 25 hp. That turned out to be a dead heat. I figured the Dodge would beat the Ford with a load because of the extra 30 lb-ft of torque, but Ford did better. I didn't expect the difference to be too significant, but I did think the Dodge would win. When I opted for the Ford, I figured the trade-off would be power vs efficiency, smoothness and better mpg. It appears there is no trade-off.
I love my Dodge, I respect the SD - both will do what you want of them if you option them right. If Dodge knew what the test was for, they would have supplied MT with a truck better suited for the comparison.
maybe they should be buying the Delco parts that has the Chevy's stopping 25 ft shorter.
i've said it alot, but this is a perfect example of what i've been trying to say. i think the fact that the ford matched the dodge in the test, despite a large displacement disadvantage, has a lot to do with the fact that the ford has a very flat torque curved compared to the older dodge motor. Dodge gets the power from shear displacement, while the ford uses well engineered induction and ignition properties. the shape of the torque curve is obviously more important than the max hp and torque numbers, this test shows that to a tee.
re the brakes: This is exactly why GM just had a strike. Chrysler outsourced theirs at low bid, GM is still going internal to Delco/Delphi. Now if Chrysler, thanks to some assistance from their new owners, could get some good brakes... Brembo maybe?
mean? Where do you feel and/or hear it??
In the floorboards?
Also when your ordered truck comes in can you
take it for a test drive before paying them, to
make sure everythings alright??
Thanks
Vaughn
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You can still back out if you want and they will keep the deposit you gave them to order the truck. When it comes in, take it for a test drive and look it over good and point out anything that you think may be wrong and have them fix it. I'm not sure what type of vibration they are talking about. I have a vibration that I can feel in the steering wheel at 60 to 65 mph, but it started after I switched to 265/85 buckshot mudders. These tires are harder to balance than ATs, so I think my vibration is coming from the tires.
I plan to tell my dealer that I want him to take it out for a spin before I fly up there to get it. I will specifically ask him to check for the vibration and I will make sure he uses the ESOF. Those are things that I will test before I pay, so if there are problems, he might as well fix them before I fly up. I might even recommend that he drive it home one night. I'd rather pick up a truck with 100 miles on it that I knew had been thoroughly tested, then to get up there and go home empty handed.
I've got my fingers crossed that they have gotten most of the glitches cleared up. This has been an advantage of having to wait so long. My biggest concern is the ESOF. I would have definitely not ordered it if I thought the problem had not been resolved.
I never gave them one. They said they would order
it sans deposit. If there is ANY vibration they
can keep it!! I had enough rattlely steering
column, tapping on floorboard problems with my 95
Ram....I'm not going through that again!!
The two 99 F250 SC SD's I test drove had a little
"kinda" vibration thing going on that I could feel in the floorboards but it was nothing that alarmed me.
My test drive with either vehicles did not include
major highway driving, but the driving I did do
seemed OK.....
I'd like some more "vibration info" on this truck
if possible so I can know what to look for before
dropping the dough!!!!
Vaughn
I have ALWAYS been a Chevy man, and will take ALOT of abuse for it, but I have done a lot of research on this truck, and have decided on the F250 SD, LWB, 4 x 4, SC, Lariat, 7.3ps, with all the toys. Die hard Chevy or not, I guess I will be a trader, but this truck just has everybody beat.
I am looking for the dealer giving the best deal in NJ or surrounding states, and I don't care about the wait. I have only talked to one dealer via email, and he wants $1200 over invoice. Car dealers have to feed their kids too, but this guy is nuts. I'm looking to pay $300 above kelly blue book or less. Anybody gettin good deals out there?
I did most of my research before I found this page, but I learned most from all these posts. Glad I found it!!!
The interesting thing is that there are 4 brackets to hold the running boards onto the truck. Each bracket has 4 holes matching with 4 holes in the truck. The front and rear brackets have three bolts and clip nuts whilt the center two only have two nuts and bolts. Production line issues? I don't know.
Rich
FORD MAKES PASSENGER AIRBAG STANDARD ON THE
F-SUPER DUTY
Effective with units built July 27, 1998, passenger side airbags will be standard on all F250/350 Super Duty pickups
excluding the chassis cab models. The passenger side airbag continues to be standard on the F150/250 light duty pickup
models.
So I guess that settles it.
Cheers,
Ryan
I have never owned a DOMESTIC truck that did not produce some sort of vibration or excessive noise with the front driveline engaged. It appears that tolerances are much greater in the front drive train. I can deal with it as long as I (not the truck) make the decision when to activate it.
An additional note. Both of my SD's have/had the 265 AT tires. These tires do produce some "road noise/vibration" that can be aggravating if you are very sensitive to it (which I am). This caused some "conflict" between the dealer and I because they had a hard time "seeing" past the tire issue.
If you want to do a double check, take a look at the Kelley Blue Book site at www.kbb.com. I found the kbb site to be a little less confusing. When you click on the XLT model, it will not list a price next to option that is part of the XLT package. For example, it may list the option of Air Conditioning, but next to it, it won't list a price. Instead, it may say N/C, meaning no charge for this option since you are already paying for the XLT package.
Don't sit on it!!! Though!! You take the initiative to place the call, otherwise, you might stay in a state of limbo----like a lot of other customers. Get Gary, or one of the other personnel I previously mentioned, to call the Rep. in KS. Someone is obviously not on the same page.
Good Luck---keep us posted!! There's a right way and a wrong way to deal with and service customers!!! This s..... got to stop!!! JB
Somebody please give some insight.
1. The vibration problem appears to be associated with ESOP is that correct?
2. Does the vibration occur in both 2WD and 4WD or just 4WD?
3. If it's just 4WD where are you driving in 4WD, on pavement, off road or what?
I appreciate your answers in advance.
What (approx) was the build date?
Was it immediately apparent or did it develop
over time?
I just drove a recently released 4x4 with ESOF and it had no noticable shudder. It also had less than 50 miles though.
harold
It's my understanding that Ford only tracks a truck until about 30 days after it's projected delivery date, or something like that. When the trucks in the lot passed that period, the dealers weren't able to check the status of the vehicle. In other words, you would only know when your truck would arrive after it actually did arrive. During the delay, while the part was being installed on your truck in the lot, trucks that had delivery dates later than yours were rolling off the assembly line with the new part and being shipped ahead of yours.
Although they supposedly fixed the problem, I'd still be interested to hear if additional problems have arisen. I heard that they had a particularly tough time with the duallys and the ESOF. That is what I have on order.
Still wishing you all the best,
Mroffshore
There was another advantage of the delay. My credit union is celebrating the recent passage of the credit union legislation. In celebration, the lowered the interest rate on my preapproved loan by 1.5%, which will save me close to $30/month on my payment. The rate is only good until the end of September, so my order needs to get pulled in the next week or two.
I just got off the phone with the Ford Customer Assistance Center. I was trying to get any confirmation or denial of the rumored availability of 3.73 limited slip with a 99 F250 SD V10 4X4. They have no bulletins, notices or documentation of any kind to support Gary in change control (Kentucky plant)who emphatically states it is available as of 7/13/98. I have seen other postings in this room where some dealers have told customers that it will be available starting in September. Others have said their dealers said you can get it now. My dealer was told by order processing that it was not available in California (where I unfortunately am). I don't know if that is based on some weird emissions requirement or supply shortages or what. Can anyone either tell me the name and number of any of the dealers who have either received bulletins or source code numbers or any information on how to get this option ordered. Or at least if it can't in fact be ordered, why not? I'm starting to feel like it would be easier to find an honest politician than a definitive answer to the elusive 3.73 L/S question! Help!
Check out www.kbb.com. I found it easier to identify what is standard and what is not. When you click on the F-350 DRW 4x4 Lariat, it will clearly list the options that are standard. For example, it may list an option that is standard, but it won't list a price. It will indicate something like N/C in the margin if it is standard equipment instead of price, which means "no charge". If I recollect, the roof lights are standard on all DRW trucks.