Chevy Silverado - Continued XVIII

87lion

on the two tone. I don't believe GM would drop the two tone. They could be having trouble with the process and put 2 tone on hold. Or the salesman could be blowing smoke so check with another dealer. Also, the LT doesn't come with 2 tone but the LS does.

obyone

I saw a post here from Tim not 10 minutes ago. Man o man.

87lion

It's called the Magnuson Moss Act. Dealer tries to screw with you on genuine GM parts, just mention the Act. If he doesn't know what it is, tell him he should as it may cause him his job. Violation of the Act is a federal offense. And the feds don't have parole.

erikheiker

What the salesman is saying, if you read between the lines, is that he just doesn't have a two tone on the lot. He doesn't want you to order a two tone, he wants to put you in something on the lot.

titus1

you're quite right about the 2 tone option. it is available but there are constraints on the option from time to time.

oil filter has to be the PF-59 for you to obtain warranty service. check with your local dealer.
Rick

titus1

you are going way to long between oil changes, go for 3,500-4,000. engine should give you a long service life. don't be fooled into believing that synthetic allows for more miles between changes. it breaks down almost as fast as regular oil. biggest advantage to using synthetic is it gives superior protection under extreme heat conditions.
Rick

n75v111

Some people want to believe that if you pay more it has to be better in every respect.

Acids build up as part of combustion process no mater which oil you use.

The most important thing in protecting an engine is frequency of oil change to get rid of the acid contaminents- NOT the cost of the product-as i pointed out on this subject in a previous syn. discussion months ago.

The Fact is that Mobil lost FAA certification because of false test data claims and had to pull their aviation syn of the market because they couldn't afford the liability risk once their false test data was exposed to the FAA.

Shell aviation syns require the same oil change intervals as petrolem based to qualify for FAA certification for the piston powered fleet.

So you all want to use Mobil 1-Aye? Just use the same oil change interval!!

75v

hunter98

GM recomends changing the oil at the time that the computer senses that it is time to cange the oil. This is up to 7500 on the 99/2000, and 10000 on the 2001, even with regular oil. I go until the light comes on or until I get 5000-6000 miles on it. This is to the factory recomendations. The oil looks like new coming out. Still feels like new on the fingers. Uses about 1/4 qt in 5000 miles, just about right. Got 16000 on the truck now. This is what GM recomends, I use the better oil, get it serviced at the dealer. I will trade the truck at around 40-50k on it and I feel it will have no problems because of oil.

Hunter

bco

i change mine every ~5,000. ac delco pf 59 and mobil one 5w30. oil goes in and comes out like new. never bothered to try measuring how much it "uses". oil press has held pretty constant as well. my 0.02

bco

sf0383

I'm not trying to split hairs here but I believe the two tone paint is an option on the LT and not on the LS

johnnylinc

Thanks to everyone who responded to my paint question; I sincerely appreciate the feedback.

I should've provided more info. The dealership in question is a very large Chevy/Pontiac/Buick/Olds (for now) store. It's located in a small town but it's near a large population center, so it does a great deal of business.

The principal owner is a friend of my dad's and is who he initially spoke to about the truck. The owner was more than willing to order a vehicle, especially since my dad wants a regular-cab LS long bed with 2wd, the 4.8 engine, and a fair number of options--not what you'd generally find on a lot, even at a large dealership. Most single-cabs nowadays seem to be base-model V6 work-type trucks.

The salesman is also a family friend & wasn't directly involved; he just mentioned in passing that the two-tone option was no longer available. You'd naturally think that it was someone who just wanted to sell a vehicle from stock, but that's not the case here.

Like I said, this is a large dealership. I'd guess that they have at least 200 new trucks on the lot if not more (most of them LS extended-cab models; only about a dozen single-cab & none equipped like my dad wants), and not one of them had the two-tone paint. I found the same to be true at another large dealership. That's what prompted me to think that maybe the "no more two-tone" story is true.

Dad thought that a Sunset Orange/Pewter combo with the aluminum wheels would look really sharp & I thought so, too. That's why I thought it would be strange of GM to drop the option, but maybe there's just no demand for it.

Guess I'm making too big a deal of this, huh? At any rate, thanks again for your responses; I'll keep investigating.

sf0383

and see if you can select two tone paint as an option in the "Build your own" section or whatever they call it. Seems like when I looked a while back you could choose different color combinations although it did seem like pewter may have been the only bottom color offered?

john294

fool me once but not twice,got my ex.warr????.5yr 60k, but it starts on the oringinal date of purchase so it is only a 2 year 24k ext.warr.,cause you get 3yrs 36k with truck ,No I didnt know this or was informed of this by either GM or BBB,I called and complained to both GM &BBB they both said tuff sh** thats the way it done...Oh well live and learn,woulnt feel so bad if it was a good product. I needed all the warrenty I could get with this model truck.......LOL, now Im sure Ill have to get rid of it before warrenty ends...Like A Rock ROFLMAO.......

markbuck

Correct on the filter answer. If they require a specific filter for warranty, they must supply it for "free".

Also agree with nv75111, run syth oil the same duration as conv.

Gee, I sure am agreeable....

dch0300

In July '00 I placed an order with my local dealer for a 2001 Silverado 1500 LS ext-cab Z-71. Back then there was a restriction on the two-tone paint option (white/pewter) and my order never got accepted.

In Nov '00 GM lifted the restriction and the order for my truck was accepted. My '01 Silverado was built Dec 6th in Fort Wayne and I picked it up from the dealer in Everett Washington on Dec 19th.

So to summarize, your dealer could be telling you the truth. It happened to me and lasted 4 months.....but the wait was worth it.

So far 1508 miles and not a single problem what so ever!

Additions include: Westin Platinum CPS step bars, Lund Interceptor bug guard, Lloyd Ultimat floor mats.

-David

k0hb

With some heat from a hairdryer you could remove those ugly stickers from the side of the box.

erikheiker

I'm getting ready to pick up my new SnugTop today. Since I'm getting it through another business, I'm doing the install myself. Anybody have a suggestion on where to find a hot lead to tap into for my overhead light? I noticed that there are plenty of unused terminals in the fuse box. Some are certainly hot all the time, and adding a fuse would be so simple. The problem is trying to go in from underneath the box to hook up a lead. Any ideas? I'm looking for something that's always hot, so I can turn on the light at anytime. The dealer takes the easy, cheesy way out...they tap into the tail light. Not an option for me.

Thanks,

Erik

mgdvhman

WAS available on an LS...and has NEVER been available on an LT

- Tim

willimjo

dch0300 and mgdvhman beat me to it... they are both dead on accurate.

Two tone was on constraint on the 2001's until early December. It is currently available for order. The reason you don't see any on the lots is the dealers haven't ordered any two tones for their lots since early December. They stocked up before the constraint was lifted and sales have slowed down to the point that they haven't had to replenish.

Two tone has NEVER been available on LT's - only LS's.

erikf2

So the bottom of my 2000 2500 LT isn't really Pewter, it just never got painted and I'm looking at the bare metal? LOL

titus1

sorry dude, you and obyone are wrong on your filter statement.
to those who say they can feel their used oil, and say it feels like new. LOL how can you distinguish oil that's broken down with your fingers and say "good as new", give me a break.
also to say it looks as good as new is another statement that is pure hogwash. never seen oil used for -5,000 miles, then to look just like it did when it went in. again LOL
Rick

titus1

if you have a 2 tone paint job on your LT, then the dealer most likely had the custom paint work was done after they recieved the truck. 2 tone is NOT available on the LT's.
Rick

obyone

Support your statements.

joelis

"DUDE"? You are giving away your age little boy. Don't try and come off as a know it all, because it is obvious that you don't.

Why would GM have a Change Oil Light that comes on between 5000 - 7500 miles if it didn't feel that it was adequate for warranty coverage?

I agree with making the first oil change Before 3000 miles for sure, but after that, I have never had any problems with going 7000 or 8000.

johnnylinc

Thanks again, everyone, for all the great info on two-tone paint; I do appreciate it. Looks like it really WAS restricted, and the restriction has now been lifted--you've all helped resolve the mystery for me. I'll pass this on to my dad.

DCH: Thanks for posting the photo; that is one sharp-looking truck! The two-tone really sets it off nicely; I see what you mean about it being worth the wait.

I have an '01 Lincoln LS (thus "JohnnyLinc") and spend a fair amount of time on the LS forum. It's nice to drop in on another board and find helpful folks here, too. Thanks!

Regards to all,
JLinc

bco

...i hope to know it all too.

rick, half of your problem here is the fact that you come across like you know everything, but you don't cite anything legit. that's not to say that you're wrong, but most folks i know, when dealing with their $30k truck, want more than: "a mechanic told me so" or "my salesman said..."

now, as for your last post:
"sorry dude, you and obyone are wrong on your filter statement."
if they are...give us some place that we can look to verify this is more than "cuz rick says so".

"also to say it looks as good as new is another statement that is pure hogwash."
perhaps this is true. but it holds jsut as much weight as your statement "dude, you and obyone are wrong".

"never seen oil used for -5,000 miles, then to look just like it did when it went in."
next time i change my oil, i'll take the time to drain some into a glass jar, put it next to a glass jar of new oil, and take pics with a white background. i'll post it, then you can tell me which is which, ok?

i'm not saying it's the best way to determine if your oil is broken down or not...i'm just saying it's possible for old and new oil to look very similar.

bco

hunter98

Having many motors on the farm, gas and diesel, you can tell when an oil is loosing its viscocity and has been used up, by the way it looks and feels between the fingers. Many times when an oil is used up a vehicle starts to use oil at a higher rate. Some vehicles dirty the oil but the 5.3L doesn't. The contamination isn't there like in many motors. Hence the extended drain intervals that GM reccomends. In our diesel tractors the oil changes vary, but some have a reccomendation of 100-300 depending on the sulfer content of the diesel. I think GM knows what the engine needs, with todays newer and better oils, especially like the mobile one are much improved over the Dyno oils. I would never go more than around 6000 miles no matter what the oil is, I look at going 6000 as a cost factor as the same as Dyno at 3000. I feel it offers superior performance and protection, and the convenience of changing the oil 3-4 times instead of 7-8 times a year. Those guys running Amsoil at 25k I think are really asking for trouble.

Hunter

hunter98

I would not go to a quick lube place, I feel you are head and shoulders better to go to the dealer 4 times a year, rather than 8 at the quick lube. They do a much better job, lube everything, check the diffs, ect. Warranty is fully covered, take them my own oil, ect. This is per the recomendations of the manufacturer.

Hunter

obyone

I've seen oil that looks golden colored after 5000 miles. It was dino oil to boot with the same additives as syn. However, there was a difference when the same oil was used in a vehicle with aluminum heads which turned the oil black.

titus1

You made these statements.

sorry dude, you and obyone are wrong on your filter statement.

also to say it looks as good as new is another statement that is pure hogwash. never seen oil used for -5,000 miles, then to look just like it did when it went in

DO NOT TAP INTO THE TAIL LIGHT!!! no! no!!

AND I can't understand why. Having problems with English as your second language? I'm curious as to why rather than any lame attempt to try and support it. But either way this should be interesting.

obyone

Seeing the type of individuals working at the dealership as "techs", I wouldn't let either one change my oil. And if you give them the syn oil to put in, other than watching it go in like Ryan does, how can you be certain that it didn't go into their trunk rather than your truck? BTW, if your dealership has a lot of lube/oil change jobs, that's where all the new "techs" start as it would be a waste of time for the experienced tech to be changing oil when he could be trouble shooting "intermediate shafts", bad idle, vibrations, launch shudder, hard closing doors, well I think you get my drift.

cowboyjohn1

Guess I will add my 2 cents on oil. And once again, I have to agree with Hunter. As you change oil on many engines, you will note that various engines seem to treat oil differently. At one time, I was a grease monkey for a heavy equipment outfit. We changed oil every 25 hours on the diesels. The General Motors diesels on the Euclid TC-12 twin engine tractors and TS-24 twin engine scrapers ran out as most oils do, but very dirty. On the other hand was an Allis Chalmers HD???(the size of a D8 Cat tractor) the oil ran out and piled up in a little mountain - it wouldn't run anywhere-very heavy and thick.. I suspect that GM does know what they are doing on today's engines. However, I will continue to change my oil at 25 hours as I do on all my engines. A testimonial to that is my O-320 Lycoming engine in which the recommended Time Between Overhaul is 2000 hours - Mine has 2800+ and counting. Engine checks out excellent during the required annual, and I always have an oil analysis done which also has always been normal. Oil is definitely cheaper than a $15,000 to $20,000 replacement. My new Silverado has only 270 miles on it, but the engine hour meter is at 7+ hours. Letting warm up in cold weather before I drive it might have something to do with that.
Cowboyjohn

psp1996

If your looking to tap into a hot wire towards the back of your truck; i tapped into my heavy-duty trailer wiring package. I believe the red wire was the hot one(use a 12-volt test light to be sure) then ground the negative wire to the frame. Also I would put a fuse(you can purchase a h2o-proof fuse holder from radio shack) between the two.

Hope this help, Lewis

P.S. make sure the fuse(60A) to the trailer wiring package is in place in the fuse box locate under the hood.

hunter98

Definately the sooner the better in aircraft engines. The rule of thumb for us on tractors is every 100 hours or 6 months whichever is first. Now 25 hours on a pickup is too soon. I average 30 mph with my truck and that would be 750 miles, on an engine that is designed for up to 7500. I agree that the oil should be changed intitially at 25 hours or about 1000 miles, but after that go every 100 hours or 3000 miles.

Hunter

titus1

you state that oil should be changed at 5-6,000 and in your last post you say 100 hrs. or 3,000.
which is the correct advice that you are trying to promote?
Rick

titus1

is this a pickup discussion or an english class. my point was made or else you wouldn't be asking.
if there is something you do not understand, and you can't seem to get the words out, then feel free to e-mail me.

and "don't tap into the tail light". what are you talking about?
Rick

titus1

someday you will know it all, but right now i think you need more skill in how to address the problem(s) you are having with your truck. that is why you are here is it not?

you seem to be having a problem with oil related topics. pocahontas has posted a link to the oil forums, which should help you out, so my advice would be to look into the topic she has posted a link to. hope this helps ya.
Rick

mgdvhman

..whatever Poco says...good old Ricki follows....

- Tim

hunter98

I was refering to the fact that Cowboy John was talking about changing it every 25 hours. This is too soon. The old rule of thumb is 3000 miles or 100 hours. 50 Hours on an air cooled high temp engine, such as lawn more, 100 hours on tractor. This is the OLD rule, and the earliest you should change it under normal use considerations. For the New Silverado or Sierra, they recomend up to 7500/10000 miles or when the monitor goes off. I go to about 5500 usually with the extra cost Synthetic oil. The 100 hours was refering to Cowboy John in when I thought he should at least go to on the oil. If you stick to the old rule of 3000, you shouldn't harm the engine. If you stick to GM's recomendations, your saving cost, and covered under warantee still, shouldn't harm the engine. If you use synthetic oil either way, more power to you.

Hunter

redsilverado

how clever that you chose the name after a popular television show. are you titus's brother? LOL

don't go away yet as i have a real question for you.
ok, i have an ext. cab LB with 5.3 and 3.73 rear with towing package. my question is this, if i and 1 passenger weigh in at 380 lbs. and the truck bed is loaded to capacity, what is the max weight of a trailer i can tow?

and....where did i say that my truck is special because of a special order number?

-
red

obyone

titus1 Feb 14, 2001 5:54pm

It appears that you're the one who doesn't understand. You have made a lot of statements. Now why should anyone believe you? Especially when you're wrong? Bad thing about it is that someone might actually listen to you. That being the case maybe you'd like to start here and read on the subject, then explain why markbuck and myself are wrong.

 http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/buspubs/warranty/undermag.htm

Course if it's too difficult, I'll understand. Everyone is entitled to their opinion whether it's right or wrong. However, if you're going to contradict what others have posted, at least do so with some facts. Then again....am I expecting too much?

mgdvhman

this is Dan re-visited all over again!

- Tim

87lion

Your link clearly explains why GM may not require genuine GM oil filters to maintain warranty coverage. (See the section labelled "Tie-in Sales" Provisions if you don't care to read the whole thing.) The only way they could require their own parts is if they had an oil filter that was just clearly better than anything else on the market. That would imply that GM either had a patent that it would not license to others or a trade secret pertaining to some oil filter technology which would preclude anyone else from manufacturing a filter which would meet GM's specs. Clearly, this is not the case.

On the other hand, if you used another brand of oil filter and it failed, GM could try to void your warranty. They would be less likely to do that if their own, recommended part failed. Of course some here have had trouble getting warranty fixes on brand new trucks.

quadcab4x4

I understand the hostility towards "Titus". Being how he thinks he knows everything I'll expect a cure for cancer from him in the near future.
I mean DUDE!!Who are you truing to impress?

Allen-

pocahontas

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cowboyjohn1

I got to thinking about what I wrote, so I went to the manual. I guess I have changed my mind on changing oil at 25 hours, and will go to a longer period based on the GM manual. I also rechecked my hour meter and was surprised to find that I have almost 20 hours after less than 400 miles. I will probably continue to 1000 miles, and change it then. Afterwards, I will be watching both the hour meter and mileage - probably will change every 3000 after. Also will depend on driving conditions. Being curious, why do you only average 30 mph- in the fields??

A little side note referring to other posts on manuals. I always buy a complete set of manuals for all of my vehicles, engines, etc. The new Silverado manuals are about $125. If you do any of your own work at all, you will save the $125. Also, many of the questions asked in the posts are questions that the manuals will answer. I have my new manuals on order, but not sure when I will get them.
cowboyjohn

87lion

I ordered on line and received them in less than two weeks.

bco

in reply to your last post:
"...i think you need more skill in how to address the problem(s) you are having with your truck. that is why you are here is it not?"
uh, no. i've been here helping people. the only problems i've had with my truck have been fixed (intermediate shaft tsb and pcm reflash for the transmission) if i was still having problems, you'd see me on the "Chevy Silverado Problems" thread more. this is "Chevy Silverado" - where chevy silverado's are discussed.

"you seem to be having a problem with oil related topics."
well, for starters, you're the one who brought up the oil filter issue, so let's deal with it. it has to do with the silverado because you claim using a non ac-delco filter will void my warranty. i'd say that relates to chevy silverados. i have a problem with you "promoting" something that is nothing more than your opinion. now...would you please answer my question and tell me what your source is for saying that "using anything but an ac delco filter on your silverado will void your warranty"?

bco

bco

...i just checked the "Petroleum or Synthetic oil for my pickup truck?". interestingly enough...there were no posts by you over there. are you truly interested in oil/filter/warranty info, or just trying to start an argument?

bco

silveradobob

When I bought my new Silverado and found this site I thought it would be great! A bunch of Silverado owners who were willing to share their experiences,their problems,opinions,advise and knowledge with a novice like me. And I sincerely appreciate all that I have learned here so far. But it seems like lately this has become a "WAR ZONE" and I guess I don't understand. Everyone has their own ideas about different subjects and no one is required to take anyones advise if they choose not to. People prefer different brands of beer,motor oil,movies,what to put on their hamburgers,etc.....that's what makes this forum so interesting and informative to me. A lot of diffenent ideas and personal opinions is just human nature. As I said...I am a novice/rookie about this stuff and I hope to learn a lot more from all of you more experienced owners. I hope you can stop the bickering and get this forum back to what it should be.
SilveradoBob

dch0300

k0hb,
I don't mind the Z-71 Off Road sticker on the back of my '01 truck. Maybe in 32 years it will be just a cool as having a '69 Z-28 Camaro with a sticker. And besides, I don't own a hair dryer, and I'm sure my wife will give me one of those ??? looks if I use hers to take stickers off of my new truck.

johnnylinc,
It took me a long time to decide on which color or colors I wanted for my new truck. When I saw a white/pewter truck I fell in love with this the color combo. Also here near Seattle we get just a little rain each year, and with the white/pewter colors it doesn't "look" as dirty when it actually is dirty. I'm sure your dad will enjoy his new truck when he gets it no matter what the color is.

-David

sf0383

I too enjoy coming to this thread and some of the others to ask questions and get information. I also frequent the Toyota Tundra vs Big3 to get a laugh in at all the "opinions" flying around over there. You know what they say about opinions anyway.

Just my opinion.....LOL