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Liberty 4 months.
Kidding aside... I visit other forums too but just to observe and I really don't chime in too much. Your obsession with the Liberty is obvious since you have visited this forum over five times this day alone. If you want, I'll let you drive mine for a day. Poor Johnny!!!
Between the two SUVs, I think the Liberty is way better value and better performance than the CRV.
You guys did well choosing Liberty.
PS
I don't own a Liberty nor do I intend on buying one.
But thanks-
Now I've been here 6 times- how much regret does that convert to??
...at 6-7pm Pacific/9-10 pm Eastern on Thursday. Hope to see you there!
http://www.edmunds.com/townhall/chat/jeepchat.html
Problems so far:
1. Squeeky windows on rolling up: Silicone will help rid you of the squeek.
2. Fan belt noise on start up: Replaced belt(warranty).
3. Wind noise coming from front passenger window at highway speed: Haven't pinpointed it yet. Suspect antenna or noise seepage thru window. Possible fix: Vent shades, don't laugh, wax antenna.
4. Annoying noise from rear. Lube the rear door latch and lower guide with white grease or petroleum jelly.
5. Clunk from rear when approaching a stop. I noticed this, asked dealer, could not duplicate. Still happens, but sporadically. Suspect transmission shifting back into 1st. Usually happens when I've accelerated quickly then stopped quickly. Plan on keeping an eye on it.
6. Rear seats fold flat enough for me.
7. NO wheel shudder. Alignment is fine.
8. Gas mileage roughly 17mpg with AC on all the time. Live in Texas.
9. Not really impressed with the 5-star service, but it will do.
10. Don't have horizontal roof rails so no roof noise and I suspect that is why jeep left them out.
11. Select-trac 4x4 works great.
12. Brakes could be a little better (ie, stops take a little longer than I like). Have to remember this thing weighs in over 4000lbs and its not the little hatchback I got rid of. I just leave a little more room to stop.
13. HAS PLENTY OF POWER. For those of you who want a sports car, go buy a sports car.
14. Did not care much for brushed aluminum parts of LTD, that's why I got the sport, however, all one color (black) was a little boring. Just installed a carbon fiber overlay on dash, around radio, climate controls, shifter, power window buttons, horizontal strip across dash. Looks very sharp. For those interested: Exoticwooddash.com. Different kits from $100-350. Comes in different wood tones also.
Thanks for reading. MARSPA
I'm looking for both performance and comfort, but I've been driving trucks of various sorts for so long, my ideas of comfort tend to be different than those driving luxury cars... Mainly I want a daily-driver good in the snow, good on the highways, can go up steep grades (sea level to 6,000 feet) daily without tranny problems, who's air conditioning won't conk out when I drive through Baker in 106 degree weather, and that I can put 200,000 miles or more on without heavy maintenance costs (I drove the Tacoma 42,000 miles last year, and it sat for 3 months because of the snow). Economy is important, but after a year with that Taco, it isn't as important as comfort. I will wait and put up with it, if I have to, rather than buy something that isn't much better, or can't handle my hard commute.
So I keep lookingcoming back to the Liberty!
Maybe other countries will get things like a low range transfer case, etc. I do really like the HDC system though. Mind you, putting the Jeep in 4Lo and the transmission in 1st will almost accomplish the same thing. You just have to trust the vehicle, which is a little scary when you're staring down a steep hill with a turn at the bottom.
-mad
www.cars.com/carsapp/usatoday/? szc=86004&srv=parser&act=display&tf=/features/mvp/jeep/liberty/liberty_overview
Note, you must first join the URL back together (.../? + szc...) since I was not allowed by the system to post any "word" over 115 characters.
Huck
Matt
The most effective, and a feature that the Freelander has, is 4ETC. This is 4 wheel Electronic Traction Control. This thing is amazing. I take the Discovery off-road regularly and the others I go with all have Jeep products. In low traction climbing situations, none of them can match the Discovery. The 4ETC just keeps shifting power to the wheel or wheels with traction. It's a great hi-tech alternative to a locker of any kind, works on all 4 wheels and is standard from the factory.
The Freelander will have 4ETC. Even though there is no low-range, I would put this vehicle against almost any other SUV just based on this. The other mini-utes are not even in the same league. Is this one in the league of the Liberty?, not for everything. It won't have the towing ability (1600 lbs versus 5000)and not as much ground clearance (7.3 inches versus 9.2). I am not bashing the Liberty, I am considering adding one to the stable. I would consider the Freelander if towing capacity is not a need. I would bet that the Freelander can go 99% of the places the Liberty can, even without low range. That ETC is amazing.
Jon
Future Liberty owner - hopefully
Matt
sport but now i need to.is the dealer the best bet? msrp for the receiver is $179 + install
Ryan
'02 JLL Patriot Blue, ABS, Butt Warmers
Is anyone else in a holding pattern as well?
Currently own an 89’ Chevy Silverado PU, Ext Cab 2wd. I have 160K miles on her, and they all have been trouble free. I never thought I could put this many miles on an American made vehicle without major repairs. Luck-of-the-draw I guess. But I did take care of her.
I don’t care for the regular passenger type cars. They are kind of boring. No, let me rephrase that. They are boring! I like vehicles that have a utility value, ones that allow you to do things, or go places that regular cars are unable too.
Spotted a Jeep liberty a-week or so ago, and it really caught my eye! Hence my reason for reading all the posts on this list. I wanted to gather as much info as possible (problems - likes - dislikes - alternatives) before make a decision to purchase this particular SUV.
I visited our local (Las Vegas, NV) Jeep dealer three times . Two were on a Sunday-to avoid the salespeople. Several of the Lib’s were unlocked, so I got the opportunity to take a close inspection. The interior & exterior fit and finish were impressive! Couldn’t find anything in the interior that looked to be a future source of rattles. The dash looked to be constructed of high quality material, nice-and-tight, and well appointed. On the third visit, I went to pickup a brochure. They were out. So I asked to take a test drive (Sport 4wd, V6, A/C, Off-Road pkg., Tow pkg., Sun Roof, No ABS). Armed with the info gleamed from this list, I put her through her paces. The V6 supplied surprising power up a 5 mile grade (A/C on). No wind noise @ 80 mph. The rack and pinion steering was precise, and at speeds >70, a quick movement of the wheel made her feel top heavy. No pull to right during straight driving or heavy breaking. The ride was quite and smooth. I especially liked the tight turning radius.
Wow, this is a nice set of SUV! Didn’t get to try any off-road stuff but, what I’ve read so-far is that it’s no slouch on the trails.
Ok, (sorry for such a long post) I like this one allot! Now I have to look at the comparable competition - Nissan X-terra & Pathfinder.
Please keep posting!
Matt
The KJ website is http://www.jeep.com/liberty/index.html .
Huck
We are trading in a 7 year old Accord as part of the deal. I was given a rate of $294.00 without ABS. Is this a good rate? Also I have gotten different opinions on ABS. Are they necessary???
The Jeep dealer is still out of Liberty brochures. I ordered one from Jeep’s site. Hope to get the same one that huck7 referred to in #1986.
Has anyone read the article that reviewed the Liberty running the Rubicon Trail? I did several searches but couldn’t find it. I would like to know how well it performed.
I’ll give the Freelander a look.
You'll find a lot of happy owners there.
I went through the Liberty/Xterra/others shopping several months ago. Ended up with Xterra.
Your needs may be different.
The trail you are on better be wide as a barn to fit the thing. In addition, if you get it stuck you need a tractor to pull it out, they weigh A LOT!
People are infatuated with them because of the military background and the size. They can churn through deep water and mud but they are far from nimble.
I gaurantee you one thing.
I could start with a Jeep Wranger, Cherokee, Liberty or Land Rover Discovery and build an off-road vehicle that could beat the Hummer in every way, bar none. By the way, I bet I could do it without spending the $75,000 that the Hummer would cost you.
The Liberty has a lot of vertical room.
The X has okay rear seat leg room, but the Liberty has a bit more- digging in to the rear cargo area.
I like the space- the deck is high though, due to tuck under spare (which is preferable in a rear collision).
A Liberty OWNER
Hope that I am not asking for too much!
The Liberty: Has more horsepower (than non Supercharged Xterra), Has a flashier dash, Has a power sunroof as an option, has fulltime 4wd as option.
The Xterra: Has more rear cargo space, ABS and limited slip standard, can get a 5 speed already (need to wait on Liberty). (Can get nice Leather aftermarket).Lower price when fully loaded. Nissan dependability.
Both: Low range gearing, good looking exteriors, very off-road capable.
TIP: If you like the Wrangler better (in general) than the Grand Cherokee- The Xterra is more your style. If you like the Grand Cherokee more than the Wrangler- the Liberty is more your style. I've had a Wrangler and a G.C. and that is my finding. Hope it helps.
Buy the way does anyone know how to get the vin number in advance?
Anyone else with this experience? Did you pay sticker for yours? How'd you haggle with these people? Heeeeeeelllllllllllllllllllpp!!!!!!!
It was a VERY pleasant surprise. I think the ride is much better than my old Grand Cherokee- Yes, stiffer, but more solid, and less mushy. I don't want a limmo ride- never have. Off-road it feels a lot like my Wrangler did- which I like
My wife has a Mitsubishi Eclipse and LOVES to drive the Xterra.
I think the Liberty will be dependable- but it cannot be argued, it is not proven yet. The Xterra got the SUV of The Year Award from Motor Trend. And all mechanical catagories are excellent, or above average in Consumer reports.
I also like a spare mounted under the vehicle. The lowering mechanism on the Xterra is easy to use and actually really cool.
Nothing wrong with the Liberty- I like the opening rear window by remote- that's cool. I am a big fan of Selec-Trak full time 4 wheel drive- you can leave your truck in 4wd all winter wet and dry pavement... If Nissan would incorporate a similar mechanism in the X it would be great.
There's a feeling of quality, and customer service that I have received with my 2 Nissans that has lacked greatly with mt 2 Jeeps. I am glad I chose my Nissan.
So go forth and find which truck suits you best- you can't go wrong. (except you'll get only marginal mileage on either one). They are so vastly different... in image and reality.
Make more items standard, and offer fewer options. In other words, streamline the production aspect of making vehicles.
For example, if Jeep would offer just one 4wd system, instead of three, and drop 2WD models, it would go a long ways towards making production easier and cheaper. There are many other items, that currently are options but could be made standard too
In addition to simplifying production, and thus making the vehicles cheaper, they would also be far more attractive in the marketplace.
Bob
Good luck! I bought a fully loaded Limited (off-road, tow, sunroof) for $26,434...sticker was $28,921 (I believe) so as you can see, I saved thousands. If you go with the Sport, the savings will be even more...the Limited seems to be in higher demand.
As for cargo space...I don't even use all that's available. I'm very happy with the size of the Liberty and have not needed any more than is standard...yet. I have over 1000 miles on it and couldn't be happier. It *is* tight as a drum...no squeaks/rattles. And several owners have off roaded it with impressive performance. In fact, one owner pulled out a few Cherokees so it definitely can play with the bigger boys
Check out photos at www.jeepsunlimited.com The Liberty forum...don't mean to advertise another forum but there's always room for more than one...I come here and go there all the time. Here's a link to some impressive Liberty off roading pics...the photo of the Liberty with the tow strap behind the Cherokee is the Lib pulling the Cherokee out of the mud tho it looks like it's being pulled...you may need to copy/paste the url onto your browser
http://forums.jeepsunlimited.com/ubb/Forum21/HTML/001751.html
Thanks.