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Steve, Host
Steve, Host
Between the above sentences, and 16 inch wheels, isn't that kind of a contradiction?
To me the Renegade is the opposite of the Rubicon TJ. The Rubicon has all sorts of super valuable off-road upgrades that aren't really visible or overstated while the Renegade makes a bunch of cosmetic changes that don't add up to much.
Now if I were to design the Renegade it would be different. The light rack could stay and so could the fender flares, but only if they actaully created more room to fit 31-33" tires easily. Skid plates would be standard and the suspension would be stiffened and made 1-2" higher. Some real tires (31" MTRs) would be offered and the gearing would be lower. Finally a better traction device than the Trak-lok would be available.
Then you would have a vehicle with a "jolt of machismo" that could actually follow through.
Tom
This article should get you started:
How Auto Insurance Companies Total Your Vehicle After You Total Your Vehicle
Steve, Host
Would anyone make this a condition of getting the Liberty Sport?
Steve, Host
Steve, Host
Then hopefully a Wrangler.
If they came out with a Rubicon in diesel, I'd probably trade in my 1997 for one. Otherwise, I'm planning on holding on to it for at least 5 years.
The article mentioned only 6 percent of people would like a diesel. I don't understand why it wouldn't be over 50 percent. Torquey, efficient, what more is there?
Steve, Host
You must be thinking (remembering) of the old GM's, which were 350's converted over to diesel.
I'd imagine a lot has changed.
Diesel is plentiful in central MA, and probably 10 cents per gallon cheaper. If you want to take chances, home heating oil (diesel) is maybe around a buck!
I think it's going to take some consumer education here in NA for diesel to take off, in spite of VW's (and others) marketing efforts. 50 mpg and a price differential over gasoline would help a lot too.
Then there's the refining problems that I've read about; it seems that diesel in Europe is cleaner burning than the stuff commonly available here.
Steve, Host
Yachtie
Hosts, do you have anything on this??
This would be great!
http://www.canadiandriver.com/news/021126-1.htm
Yachtie
"The 2.8 CRD engine provides power and responsive acceleration with the ease of a smooth-shifting automatic transmission. The engine is rated at 110 kW (150 hp) of power and 360 N•m of torque. The 545RFE five-speed automatic overdrive transmission, ... adapt the shift characteristics accordingly.
Also new for 2003, standard four-wheel disc brakes give Jeep Cherokee better brake feel on-road, ... and improved trailer tow ratings - up from 2250 kg to 3500 kg - on the 3.7 petrol and 2.8 CRD powertrains"
Isn't 3500 kg's somewhere around 7700 lbs?
The 2002 Diesel in Europe was an "all new" 2.5 CRD.
some details in English can be found on the www.jeep.co.uk website:
Configuration 4 cylinders in line DOHC
Cubic capacity 2499 cc
Bore x stroke 92.0 x 94.0 mm
Compression ratio 17.5 : 1
Fuel system Common rail, direct electronic fuel injection
Maximum torque - lb ft @ rpm 253 @ 2000
Maximum power - bhp @ rpm 141 @ 4000
Also: 3500kg is indeed 7716 pounds. For future reference, there's a handy site called www.convert-me.com where you can convert pretty much everything you'll ever need. (weight, area, temperature, distance and length, etc.)
I have driven the 2002 2.5 CRD and it can not be compared to the latest European Diesels mentioned in earlier posts. This one is still a truck engine and it's loud.
"Jeep Cherokee (Liberty) vehicles with diesel power trains currently account for 65 percent of that model's total sales in Western Europe" - reason for this is the price of gasoline. (around $3.80/gallon)In some European countries Diesel is actually 30% cheaper than regular gasoline, so there's a double benefit. (lower cost of diesel and better mileage)
If your Liberty is really a workhorse, a Diesel is probably right for you. If you use it to drive to the mall and the soccer field you probably want to stick to the regular engine.
www.jjournal.net/jeep/features/JeepNewsUpdates/09.26.02.europeanjeepcherokee.html
I don't know if the 2.8 is a 6cylinder or 4 cylinder, or whether it's a newer design. Hope it's one of the newer quiter engines. I would be interested if it ran fairly quiet and got 26 mpg on the highway. Any idea on what mileage figures are for the 2.5crd?
Why would one get a Liberty to go to a soccer field or the mall when a car would do the job even better?
Even so, why wouldn't a diesel be good for that?
My question is has anyone replaced there tires yet? Has anyone gone with a little bit bigger of a tire size?
Thanks for the info........
What's not to like about tons of torque and better mileage, plus cheaper gas?
Steve, Host
That is something the consumer has no choice over. I don't mind or notice diesel fuel in most trucks on the road today. In fact, the smelliest diesels I notice are some of the older Volvos and Mercedes's along with city buses. Besides, can't one buy a diesel Liberty now, and get the benefits of improved fuel when it becomes available?
Steve, Host
tidester, host
Anyway, I just hope the tires that come with the Off Road Group dont make the car too noisy.......anyone out there have the "OWL" All Terrain tires on theirs?
Anyway, I hope I like the Khaki color. I have not seen it, except on the web site and in their color brochures. My hubby saw it and he likes it. I wanted the Stone White, but there were none in Michigan with the options we wanted, and the dealer could not guarantee he could trade for the one in Ohio he found. Our current Lease has to be turned in on Dec. 16th.
Anyway, I am an excited "soon to be" Liberty Limited Owner". and look forward to meeting new friends and fellow Liberty owners on this site.
LCWOS in Michigan
Not a single issue to date - no recalls no problems. I really like the added touches, like the front 6 way power heated seats, one-touch down switch on both front windows, heated mirrors, security system and privacy glass, trip/mileage/temp/distance LED, auto locking doors. Plus the strong chassis really provides a tight stable feel on and off-road.
It's amazing how much content they packed into this jeep. My last jeep was a 1952 military M38A1, fun to drive, but much less standard equipment, not even a heater!
Yeah, those 36 year leases are a real bargain!
Sorry, I just couldn't help myself.
Our Liberty Limited is 6 months old now, not one single problem. Drove through our first heavy rain conditions in LA over the Thanksgiving holiday. The Liberty felt stable and sure-footed even when we blasted through standing water on the 710 freeway.
Very different than over in the Trailblazer (TRIALblazer) chat room.
Whew!
Anyway, My hubby just called and he is driving it home. They wanted to charge him an extra $380.+ lease disposition fee when he went to sign the papers tonight..... Also, we wanted the fancy moulded mud flaps, but told them we would pay for them separately....It was about $120.00 for them. Well, they added the mud flaps into the lease agreement.....and took the payments up to $411.....now we are not rocket scientists, but over the term of the lease, 36 x $6.00 is $216.00!!! ( by the way, the original MONTHLY lease payment we were quoted was $405.00)... Anyway, my husband told the manager that he would not sign the papers., as he specifically told the salesman ( who was not there ) that we did not want to pay any acquisition or disposition fees, inspections fees, hidden fees etc. and that we were going to pay for the mud flaps outright and not as part of the lease...SO, unless the lease agreement was changed to reflect the original amount agreed upon, and that no other fees were to be imposed at lease end..... he was ready to walk out and go elsewhere. And he would have to. The manager agreed, waived the disposition fee ( in writing) and returned the monthly payments to $405.00.
The other thing that I was wondering about...... The sticker shows the Trailer Towing Package as $365.00.....yet Edmunds and even www.jeep.com show this option cost at $245.00 Anyone else notice this? No other option has been increased.....just the trailer package.
Hubby called me from the jeep, and said the car was very quiet, no squeeks, rattles etc....so far. He really likes the handling & performance and is quite impressed with the vehicle overall. He just bought a new Chevy Tahoe as his company car ( does a lot of long distance driving) .but now likes MY NEW JEEP saying it's FUN TO DRIVE.
I will not see my new car for about 2 weeks. I'm currently in another part of the State, about 3 hours north of where he is. So, I wont get to see my new baby until December 20th. That's OK, he can put the first 500 miles on it.....just in case something goes wrong, he will be close to the dealer. My experience is that if something major is going to go wrong with the onboard computer, it will be in the first 250 to 500 miles.
HEY, NOT A BAD CHRISTMAS PRESENT, WOULDNT YOU SAY!