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my monthly payment on my jeep liberty 4x4 is only $25 more than your lease payment. im sorry, but i hate leases. i think they're wrong and only for lazy consumers who won't shop around for a better deal. purchasing is always the best way to go, i don't care what argument you try and make. you will have nothing after 36 months. i will own a jeep on the other hand at the end of my loan. i also do not have to watch miles, worry about damage or wear and tear. it's mine and that's all there is to it. you are renting a jeep from chrysler. in these days of crappy sales on most fronts, especially vehicles, i guarantee you that you could've gotten out of there with a loan on the same vehicle for the same amount. it's all about shopping around and getting the lowest possible interest rate. it can be done. nonetheless, enjoy your jeep. we love ours. i plan on lifting mine and adding 31 inch tires. had i leased it, i wouldn't be able to touch it like that.
one last note- about your "off-road" tires, they're not. the best thing you can do with them is replace them asap. they're death traps in the wet. and they won't be noisy at all as there is hardly any tread on them. i have two little ones, and the first thing i did when i bought our jeep was replace them with stock sized BFG all-terrain tires. they are truly a light truck tire and not a goodyear eagle with the word 'wrangler' printed on the sidewall.
as for quality, my fuel pump went out at 250 miles. the liberty is a good solid vehicle with a pretty good reputation, but just remember: it's still a jeep and relatively new. there is always a tsb out for something it seems like. take care, replace your tires, and listen for noises up front. good luck.
I wont worry about miles...... I put on no more than 500 miles A MONTH.... and at the end of the lease, if I want to purchase this vehicle from Jeep, I can. To call someone LAZY for leasing a vehicle is presumptuous at best. To each his own. I have a right to spend my money as I see fit, and take exception to being called "lazy" by you for what I chose to do. As for the tires.....I was just quoting the OFF ROAD PACKAGE included the OWL tires. I do not plan on taking this vehicle OFF ROADING", And as for these tires being "death traps", if one knows his vehicles capabilities, and operates in a prudent, reasonable manner in wet weather, then just about any tire is safe. It's people who think that SUV's with 4WD can run 60 - 80 miles an hour in the snow, ice and in heavy rain on highways and secondary roads that usually end up in trouble. As I stated, I live in Northern Michigan, and we get every kind of weather short of hurricanes. I've driven on Goodyear, Goodrich, Firestones, Kelly's, Michelins, Cooper's and others, with no problems. Have NEVER been in an accident....EVER, and have been driving for 40 years now. We have leased vehicles since 1984, and I have NEVER yet had to pay extra when we turned in the car for damage, wear/tear, new tires, or anything else. We dont abuse vehicles like some do.......
If the Jeep proves to be a good mode of transportation, then we may BUY our next one. At least I wont be stuck with a vehicle I ended up hating 36 months from now. Maybe your's will be full of problems. If it is, you are stuck with selling it. We aren't.
You seem interested in safety, yet conclude your post saying you are going to JACK IT UP AND PUT 31" TIRES ON IT...... and you have 2 little ones at home? This sounds like a roll-over waiting to happen, or at best, a head banging, jumpy, bumpy ride. But, as I said, to each his own.
I'll think of you in 36 months when I trade in mine for a new-up dated with all the new gizmo's Jeep. They may have GPS units in each car, The new XM radio built in, Diesel, bigger engine, WHO KNOWS...... while you keep making those $430. a month payments on a used, jacked up, out of date and out of style jeep. BUT IT'S YOURS.
You also have the option of biodiesel made from soybeans. VWs can burn a mixture of dino diesel and bio or even 100% bio (B100).
If anyone would like further info on this, feel free to email me. Thank you and Happy Holidays!
I own an 01 Cherokee and recently switched to Mobil 1 synthetic oil at my 30K service. I have noticed a major difference. I admit that the 4.0l is a very antiquated but good motor that is rough and loud. Since using Mobil 1 syn, the motor starts much much easier. It runs noticeably smoother too, especially when the motor is cold and outside temps are cold.
I have moved my oil change interval to every 5K. I would recommend synthetic to everyone.
I also run a K&N air filter for the individual that asked and have noticed a slight power increase in the 2200-2500 rpm range.
Thank you and Happy Holidays.
1) We usually get a new vehicle every 3 years
2) My wife can write off 50% of the cost for business
If we bought the car, yes we could still write off the expense, but over time the write off depreciates with the car. The only car I own is the car I plan to keep the rest of my life, my 93 Silver Rx7.
I didnt mean to come down hard on "tbunder1", but
to call someone LAZY because they decided to lease rather than buy was totally un-called for.
Another consideration for leasing is someone who puts tons of miles on a vehicle in a short period of time. Yes, purchasing makes more sense in 95% of the cases.........BUT NOT ALL CASES.
What we all should be concerned with is an article I just read in the Detroit News last Sunday. In Michigan, auto dealers are limited to charging a maximum of $40.00 to the customer for paperwork concerning their new vehicle purchase ( tax forms, title forms,license plate forms,loan forms,Insurance Certificates and verification that the customer has not had 3 drunk driving convictions). The Dealers are now challenging the State saying they need more money to process this paperwork, and they want to charge up to 10% of the sale price of the car, not to exceed $250.00, for doing this paperwork!!! If this passes in Michigan, other Dealers in other states will soon adopt this practice, or at least, try to....
So, beware. Your State may be next.
(from http://www.trucktrend.com/features/...ws22/index.html)
The diesel-powered Liberty -- sold as the Cherokee there -- delivers 18 m.p.g. in the city and 29 m.p.g. on the highway, compared to a 16/20 city/highway mileage for the U.S. version with its gasoline-powered, 3.7-liter V6.
The Liberty, which replaced the Cherokee in the United States in 2001, has quickly become the nation's most popular compact sport-utility, at 139,314 sales through October.
also, i didn't call you lazy, i said i thought leases were for lazy consumers, dont be so paranoid or defensive. if you think you got a good deal, good for you. but where will your $400 be in 36 months? it will be sitting in the dealer's lot when you get a new jeep with nothing more than satellite radio and some navigation thingy. woohoo. ill take a map anyday, and a nice cd changer. and why would i sell my brand new jeep when its paid for? i plan on keeping it for a good long time. why buy a vehicle just to replace it in 3 years? that will only lose you money. invest in vehicles- in these days that's the only way to go. leasing a $30000 vehicle for 3 years, putting only 500 miles on it a month, and then turning around and saying i want a new one in 3 more years is like throwing money away; renting an apartment is a good analogy.
as far as modifications go, i may lift my jeep and i may not. but i know i can since it is mine and not DC's. and as far as it being unsafe- not true. rollovers are caused by driver error more times than not. also, by lifting it and adding larger tires (31" tires are pretty common these days on 4x4's, and not unsafe) will set it apart from "just like theirs" liberty limiteds like you have. i hope you enjoy your jeep, but just remember each time you make a payment, it really isn't your vehicle you're paying on. why do you think they offer leases? because they can make loads of money on them. regards
I've seen other posts of yours, and it's evident that you lacked nuturing as a child.
So, pardon me if I should ask that you take your "bought but still paying for, soon to be jacked up Jeep with the 31" tires and drive it right up your........and I know you have the MAP.
tidester, host
i won't stoop to your rude and deroggatory mannerisms. but i will say a few words- i notice how you don't like to comment on the facts i pointed out or even try to prove me wrong. fact is, leasing a vehicle is always more expensive than buying one in the long run(would you lease or buy a toyota which are known for quality? the liberty is good, but still unproven. but consumer reports just recommended it). is it that hard to understand? renting vs. buying. equity vs. nothing. ever bought a house? you can figure it out.
im sorry you are such an angry type of person, im just posting what i think. if that bothers you (and obviously it does), i suggest you go somewhere else. perhaps your little utopia where everyone agrees with what you have to say. sure, i post my opinions, but i also state it as i see it. how boring would it be if everyone agreed? again, i don't see how i was ever rude, condescending, or inflammatory to you. did i ever say anything personal about you? no, i don't think so. i stated what i thought about leases and whatnot. whatever negativity you feel is coming from within your own self and your own decisions.
as far as lacking "nuturing" (an r?) as a child- well i think i was taught to respect myself and others, while at the same time being an honest person. that includes stating opinions and to not get personal like you have. i also think i was taught better financial lessons pertaining to money and how to keep it. again, this is just my opinion. please don't get personal again. i could care, but i don't want this thread shut down like your past comments could warrant.
drawing to a close, ill say this in finality. as i've said before in good faith, i hope you enjoy your jeep, and if you think you got a good deal- good for you. you have nothing to worry about. but if you keep coming on here with the negative attitude you just showcased, then we all know you wish you had never signed below the dotted line for 36 500 mile a month payments for a sub $30,000 vehicle. now, go let the dogs out.
These are all build in Toledo, correct? So if they are supposed to be going overseas, why would they be southbound in Columbus and shouldn't they be Brit drive? Does Mexico or South America get Euro spec but lefty drive?
tidester, host
how bad do you think the bucs will get smacked by miami?
im from iowa, and it's sad that we can't play ohio state for the outright big ten title. do you guys have an offense over there? if it weren't for two fumbles, iowa would be #1 and playing miami which would be #2 in the fiesta bowl. i know i know, you didn't lose. but hey, taking illinois on a last second play is something to brag about. and barely beating michigan- at home. we spanked them at their house. again, im sorry but im just one of those iowa people that hate the big ten system. co-champions. yeah right, unless you had to play iowa.
Now, about the Liberty...I picked up an 03 Lib brochure last night and noticed that they had an accessory brush gaurd on one of the Libs. Do you know who manufactures these for Jeep? Also any thoughts on my previous post about the "Euro" Liberty? How soon in 2003 do you think we can see a diesel Liberty?
Thank you. Happy Holidays!
If it does use that motor, will it work properly with our gas? Will it work properly with our gas once it changes (which it is supposed to do at some date in the future)?
I know most "old fashioned" diesel motors would work on most anything you poured into them in a pinch. I'd guess these are a bit more sensitive than that.
It should work fine with the current fuel and would hope the DC has enough fore-sight to make it compatible with the upcoming ultra low sulphur diesel. If VW is doing it, I would assume DC would too. The question is whether it will burn biodiesel.
HA HA
We picked up one of Jeep's "Accessory" Cataloges when we at the dealership, and noticed Mopar was the supplier. They have several different type/styles of brushguards Here is a link to that page.
http://www.mopar.com/m_acc_home.jsp
I am currently driving a VW Golf TDI. On a summer road trip to NJ from Chicago (3 people in car + stuff), I avergaed 48 mpg with the air on doing 70-80 mph! I am seriously considering trading in the Golf if the Liberty is not more expensive than its gas counterparts. Will the be limited in number? Do we need to start calling dealers now?
Tom
WILL diesel VW's be compatible with the future diesel gas?
Thanks
I saw a Pet Net Barrier in the Jeep's Accessory brochure and I think it's ordered through Mopar. Mopar lists it as a "vertical barrier net" item # 82204310 and costs $43.00. It attaches to the floor and walls, but I'm not sure how.
My old net was made to fit a Ford Explorer, but I'll use it in the Jeep. You can see the one I got at www.drsfostersmith.com item # DK-6557 and it's called "The Pet Net". They sell it for $69.99 and uses a velcro type fastener. They also have a steel mesh barrier called "BARRIE-AIRE" item # DK-5522 and it's also $69.99. You'll like Drs. Foster/ Smith for your puppy needs anyway. Sign up for one of their catalogs if you go online. They also have "Fresh Ventilation Car Grills" # DK-1088, a MUST have if you leave your pup in the car for any length of time, in warm weather. Good prices, great items & fast shipping.
Good luck with your new pup..... Mine liked to chew on the drivers side seat belt shoulder strap. Over 6 1/2 years, he has chewed up 3 Ford Explorer belts and 1 Infiniti belt.... He was able to get his nose between the net and the belt. He could have chewed on the head rest or leather seat, so I guess I'm lucky in that respect. Only my male did this,.......the females are good little girls.
Here is the link for Drs. Foster/Smith's Pet Net:
http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_Display.cfm?siteid=12&pCatId=7920
Here is the link for the Mopar PET NET BARRIER:
http://www.mopar.com/m_acc_cat_part.jsp?redirect=m_acc_cat_part.jsp&op=&group=1004&part=&subGroup=2049&msc=&acc=
Mopar also lists quite a few ROOF RACKS/CARGO CARRIERS & ADAPTERS for the fellow who was looking for something to haul lumber on. You may want to check it out.
For the cargo carrier.....here is the link:
http://www.mopar.com/m_acc_cat_select.jsp?group=1002
It sounds as if there is a loss of lubricity concern with the lower sulphur content, but additives are taking care of that. They are even burning soybean oil in them!
We put about 4oz of PowerService additive per full tank in our TDI to help with the cetane level and lessen the chance of the fuel gelling with the cold weather we're having.
as far as the GC changing, yes it did (5 model years ago). i was talking about the cherokee. not GC. the liberty may be changed in 10 years, of course. but not anytime soon. it's expensive to change things on any model, especially in these tough times for the automakers. they may offer a diesel, add new gaudy 17" wheels and delete this and delete that, but as far as the raw look of the liberty, i do not think it will change for at least six or seven years. DC just can't afford it. plus, it's #1 in sales in it's class, so why fix what isn't broken? the second gen. explorer went the same for seven years. the current GC has been the same for five model years. also, this type of vehicle will get updated more often since it is more of a mainstream vehicle, plus i'd guess DC makes a lot more money off of the GC than they do with the liberty. i don't care, my next vehicle will be a truck to go along with my non-lowered first year liberty with nothing de-contented like the '03's had taken from them. how about the cheap looking door liner that the sports now get. my '02's door liner matches the upholstery of the seats. it looks sharp. now it's just a slab of black plastic. not to mention the 1" of ground clearance that's so crucial when you just may need it. jmo though
All that said - I love the looks of the Lib - and yes TB - I have the gaudy 17" wheels....
With radio on/key on
remove cd magazine
with key on turn off radio
turn off key
unplug cable from changer
make sure "o/n" switch (Kenwood)is set to "o"
reconnect cable
insert full magazine
turn on key, wait 10 seconds
turn on radio, wait 10 seconds
select mode
he said you may have to run these steps twice, it only took once for me
Cheers
Pat
Also, nothing form DC has trickled into the dealerships about the Diesel (When, how much, etc.)
Cheers
Pat