I can not believe that they would throw out a guy like Bill. While I have never posted on this board, I have read it for some time with great interest. As the previous (and much poorer for it!) owner of two Series III sedans, I read his posts with great interest and entertainment. I love Jag's and know much more about them now. It is too bad that someone obviously has another agenda. Thanks Bill for all of your insight, I really enjoyed it. And to the "Managers," how could you do this?
What incredible shortsightedness the Town Hall management has!
Bill Weismann is the most prolific poster on this forum!! His opinions are sought by almost every new member. As a Jaguar owner and car dealer, his insights are very appropropriate for the readership of this list. I have found his posts to be an invaluable resource to me. Having just bought my first Jaguar earlier this year, I have learned an immense amount of information about my own car and the whole Jaguar car line.
Since the main Edmunds site exists to give car model price quotes, are you afraid that members of this forum might be in conflict with your website?? If the reason that you're asking Bill to leave is because he bothers to take time out of his day to give his opinions, as a dealer, as to what makes up a particular car's selling points and renders his opionion as to what a used car should sell for, then you are just being plain petty.
Why even have forums on your website if you don't want the membership who subscribe to engage in free speech by providing information and expressing opinions?!?!
What a bunch of short-sighted bigots you are!!!
I hope you're happy with yourselves.... you just killed this discussion forum.
No one is throwing out anyone. If anybody had been thrown out, their Town Hall user ID would no longer be functional.
Town Hall management made a decision that Bill did not like and he is saying that he needs to leave because of it.
Personally, I am very sorry that he feels that way and I hope he will reconsider. His contributions to our Town Hall community are very important and well-respected.
Wow, it seems a lot can happen in a day. Wild Bill, depending on your situation with the chat room patrol, I just wanted to say "thanks". I love my (wife's) Jag and have made some good decisions caring for it based on your knowledge and obvious passion for great cars. I've popped onto a couple of other boards and seen how "spirited" it can get (come on folks.....it's just cars!!!!). Anyway, hope to hear from you soon and I'll always have a special file for the picture of that loaded-up Hundai (????) you were following in Georgia at an excessive rate of speed (which, of course, I can't post here).
If all are jumping ship this site will no longer exist. Us folks that are on this site daily to learn more about what we have and to learn how to keep a beautiful car in shape, will be the ones that will take the hit. Especially the folks who would like to purchase and don't know what to look for. If it wasn't for this site I would possibly have made a dumb move when I was himin' & hawin'. I guess I will have to look for a new avenue to get my info. from. Sad to say, but I understand. Not only Bill but others will be missed for all the fun and knowledge thrown together. We can always create a new site !! Think about it.
what this 'decision' was. With all the secrecy flying around, you'd think this involved something closer to national security instead of a car message board.
Over the past three years that I've read much and posted in one or another of the boards, this sort of editorial hypersensitivity has been a chronic problem -- many semblances of the real world cause all sorts of grief ... politically incorrect language is a biggie, as well as anyone who mentions having anything for sale ... as in, "I have a 49 Nash for sale." Soon they;ll be the target of the policy hounds who would rather be inflexible than sensible. In my own experience, while there are certainly some things that are over-the-top and need to be quashed, the boards that catch this policy-driven flak are the ones that I'm usually getting the most out of. I've had it. I can find bland writing almost anywhere, incorrect prices at a number of sites, and ivory tower reviews with subjective judgments in car reviews written by virtual children almost anywhere. The Town Hall boards have often made the site different, and interesting, with (occasionally) someone who knows what he's talking about thrown into the mixture. Bill's been one of these, and I've enjoyed the somewhat specialized information and good humor. Take care, Bill. Enjoy.
Boy, I don't check the board for one day, and look what happens. It must be obvious to both of you that Bill is one of the most valued posters here. I certainly feel that way. Therefore, I feel that I must put in my two cents to both of you.
Bill, I have no idea what the decision was that made you decide to stop posting. However, you must by now realize that your statement about 'not being wanted' is not true. One person, or one group of people not wanting you is not the same thing. Please factor that into your decision, and I hope that it weighs. I would desperately hate losing your insight and humor.
Pat, I don't know if there is anything you can do to arbitrate this, but if there is, please take to the table that Bill is an extremely popular and valued member of this forum, and although a dealer has never tried to push his wares. He has given estimated values of Jags to people asking for them (including me), but this is independent of his business and within the scope of this board. I would do likewise if I could, and would expect the same of anyone who had the information. The few times that he has encouraged anyone to contact him it has been to be of assistance to them.
I very much hope that this can be resolved. This board, the Town Hall, and Edmunds will be the less if it isn't.
2009 BMW 335i, 2003 Corvette cnv. (RIP 2001 Jaguar XK8 cnv and 1985 MB 380SE [the best of the lot])
The silence on this board is deafening..........wait a minute..............I think I'm hearing a distant muffled crowd.........yes.......it's definitely a muffled crowd shouting: "Bill, Bill, Bill, Bill!!".
I am awaiting the X350 myself and read this forum mainly for your advise/guidance. I am delighted some jerk wasn't able to force you out. I am beligerent enough to have stayed just to be a pain in his, um . . . side. Keep up the excellent work! And thanks Pat for encouraging his return. Many of us were questionning Edmund's credibility.
Bill, don't you EVER do that again. In about two more years I'm actually going to have the money to shop, and I'll need the 'moral' support then. And until then, this board is all I'm allowing myself as I know if I so much as take a test drive, it's curtains for the budget.
Well, first I shot off my mouth/fingers, THEN I read the Town Hall forum. So I now know that the issue wasn't anything to do with your postings here, for which I'm relieved.
I agree that a little advance notice on the cancellation of the MTC board would have been "nice" to give all the members time to react/absorb what was happening. But that's what happens when you play in someone else's sandbox. I've been in many an organization where "the Board" and "the members" have been at odds with each other over policy. Unfortunately, the Board usually wins. Go figure...
I'm just glad that I didn't have to un-bookmark this list..
Hey, Pat.. Is there any way to print or save the messages in a discussion forum without having to do them 20 at-a-time??? This forum actually has some really good info in it, but it's getting really long!
Glad you decided to stick around this list, Bill...
We're considering special ordering some Super 8 VDP's just to have on the lot. From your experience is this something you would do....and if so what color/option combos are best?
Well, It was not done with much tact or diplomacy, but then, that's also someone who never even had the common courtesy to really respond to his actions.
As I said in Talk to the Hosts, I'm glad he doesnt work for me!
But when I got them, I always stuck with conservative, common, Mainstream colors. The stuff you sell a lot of.
I'd do like.. Anthracite/Cashmere, Topaz Oatmeal (That was always THE color combo for a regular VDP 8), Platinum/Oatmeal, Sapphire/Ivory.. Spindrift/Cashmere..etc..
If I had to order 2.. I'd go Sapphire/Ivory and Anthracite/Cashmere.
Dont go ordering an Amaranth or Alpine Green or Roman Bronze one or anything...
2? If you sell enough cars I dont see why not. But stick with easy to shift colors in case you sit on the thing for 5 months and need to Dealer X it.
I have a 1999 XJ8-L with a slight vibration between 45-75 MPH. The dealer rebalanced the tires on a Hunter balancing machine but no luck. The svc mgr said he consulted with the Jag rep who indicated that the long wheelbase cars (the XJ8L's & VDP's) had an engine vibration that was inherent in those long cars that caused this sensation. Has anyone ever heard of this and is there a fix?
Those puppies sell. We got sticker without even a hint of an argument for every one we could get... People who want them are generally looking quite hard for them.
Well, Mommy didnt pay MSRP. She paid $4,000 over invoice.
No - and I hate it as much as everyone else, believe me. You can only display messages here on Web Crossing in groups of 20 at a time.
Someday we should have a decent search feature that will return links to specific messages based on a key word search. It may be a ways off still, but it is supposed to be in the works. I mention this because it is the only compensation I can think of for only being able to view 20 messages at a time while trying to find information.
I'm sorry - I wish I had a better answer. But when we do get an enhanced search feature, previously posted information will be much easier to find.
At the time the deal on employee purchases was something like 50% off of the typical margin on high-demand cars. Back in 99 a VDP S/C had closer to $11K built into it.. I probably got the cheapest deal nationwide on one then..
I bought it out at the residual... 30% it was after 3 years (We use an independent leasing company and write a lot of the car down).
$24,000 for a 99 VDP S/C with under 20K miles (IIRC) aint a bad deal! I'm even tempted to sell it... Bill
I spotted something I had never seen before...an XJ Sport. Apparently, new for '02. It looks like an XJR...or maybe a cross between an XJR and an XJ8...but without the supercharger. Interesting vehicle.
The more I think about your posts, the more that I realize that owning a Vanden Plas S/C entirely fits my image of what your mother must be like. My compliments.
2009 BMW 335i, 2003 Corvette cnv. (RIP 2001 Jaguar XK8 cnv and 1985 MB 380SE [the best of the lot])
The new XJ is being introduced THIS SPRING??? Holy debt load! I wonder if that horned gentleman is still interested in my soul. Are they still going to have a Super 8? I could be in serious trouble here.
2009 BMW 335i, 2003 Corvette cnv. (RIP 2001 Jaguar XK8 cnv and 1985 MB 380SE [the best of the lot])
Comments
Those who can't teach, become managers.
Bill Weismann is the most prolific poster on this forum!! His opinions are sought by almost every new member. As a Jaguar owner and car dealer, his insights are very appropropriate for the readership of this list. I have found his posts to be an invaluable resource to me. Having just bought my first Jaguar earlier this year, I have learned an immense amount of information about my own car and the whole Jaguar car line.
Since the main Edmunds site exists to give car model price quotes, are you afraid that members of this forum might be in conflict with your website?? If the reason that you're asking Bill to leave is because he bothers to take time out of his day to give his opinions, as a dealer, as to what makes up a particular car's selling points and renders his opionion as to what a used car should sell for, then you are just being plain petty.
Why even have forums on your website if you don't want the membership who subscribe to engage in free speech by providing information and expressing opinions?!?!
What a bunch of short-sighted bigots you are!!!
I hope you're happy with yourselves.... you just killed this discussion forum.
Ron Tencati
97VDPGUY
Virginia, USA
No one is throwing out anyone. If anybody had been thrown out, their Town Hall user ID would no longer be functional.
Town Hall management made a decision that Bill did not like and he is saying that he needs to leave because of it.
Personally, I am very sorry that he feels that way and I hope he will reconsider. His contributions to our Town Hall community are very important and well-respected.
But the decision is his.
I hope he will reconsider.
Pat
Host
Sedans Message Board
Bill
Wild Bill, depending on your situation with the chat room patrol, I just wanted to say "thanks". I love my (wife's) Jag and have made some good decisions caring for it based on your knowledge and obvious passion for great cars.
I've popped onto a couple of other boards and seen how "spirited" it can get (come on folks.....it's just cars!!!!).
Anyway, hope to hear from you soon and I'll always have a special file for the picture of that loaded-up Hundai (????) you were following in Georgia at an excessive rate of speed (which, of course, I can't post here).
DC
Your daily reader,
Michelle V
Mpls., MN
Joe W.
Bill, I have no idea what the decision was that made you decide to stop posting. However, you must by now realize that your statement about 'not being wanted' is not true. One person, or one group of people not wanting you is not the same thing. Please factor that into your decision, and I hope that it weighs. I would desperately hate losing your insight and humor.
Pat, I don't know if there is anything you can do to arbitrate this, but if there is, please take to the table that Bill is an extremely popular and valued member of this forum, and although a dealer has never tried to push his wares. He has given estimated values of Jags to people asking for them (including me), but this is independent of his business and within the scope of this board. I would do likewise if I could, and would expect the same of anyone who had the information. The few times that he has encouraged anyone to contact him it has been to be of assistance to them.
I very much hope that this can be resolved. This board, the Town Hall, and Edmunds will be the less if it isn't.
2009 BMW 335i, 2003 Corvette cnv. (RIP 2001 Jaguar XK8 cnv and 1985 MB 380SE [the best of the lot])
I'm not gonna mess with you guys just because Jonah was a jerk to me.
I'm back
Bill
You know we enjoy your posts and your insights immensely - I'm so pleased to see that you have returned.
Take care -
Pat
Host
Sedans Message Board
It is greatly appreciated! Sheesh.. you know I just counted and I got 71 e-mails over this begging me not to leave?
Wow!
Bill
Bill
Its' not what he said but the way he said it.
I bet my VDP S/C that I would not get a polite response.
I still have the car.. but oh well
Bill
Now:
Bill, don't you EVER do that again. In about two more years I'm actually going to have the money to shop, and I'll need the 'moral' support then. And until then, this board is all I'm allowing myself as I know if I so much as take a test drive, it's curtains for the budget.
Welcome back.
Take care.
Joe W.
-RB
I have to get it from NJ first. Its rotting up there.
Looks like a regular VDP with the "Solar" Wheels.
Bill
Mom is done with it, I gotta go pick it up
Bill
I agree that a little advance notice on the cancellation of the MTC board would have been "nice" to give all the members time to react/absorb what was happening. But that's what happens when you play in someone else's sandbox. I've been in many an organization where "the Board" and "the members" have been at odds with each other over policy. Unfortunately, the Board usually wins. Go figure...
I'm just glad that I didn't have to un-bookmark this list..
Hey, Pat.. Is there any way to print or save the messages in a discussion forum without having to do them 20 at-a-time??? This forum actually has some really good info in it, but it's getting really long!
Glad you decided to stick around this list, Bill...
We're considering special ordering some Super 8 VDP's just to have on the lot. From your experience is this something you would do....and if so what color/option combos are best?
Well, It was not done with much tact or diplomacy, but then, that's also someone who never even had the common courtesy to really respond to his actions.
As I said in Talk to the Hosts, I'm glad he doesnt work for me!
Bill
But when I got them, I always stuck with conservative, common, Mainstream colors. The stuff you sell a lot of.
I'd do like.. Anthracite/Cashmere, Topaz Oatmeal (That was always THE color combo for a regular VDP 8), Platinum/Oatmeal, Sapphire/Ivory.. Spindrift/Cashmere..etc..
If I had to order 2.. I'd go Sapphire/Ivory and Anthracite/Cashmere.
Dont go ordering an Amaranth or Alpine Green or Roman Bronze one or anything...
2? If you sell enough cars I dont see why not. But stick with easy to shift colors in case you sit on the thing for 5 months and need to Dealer X it.
I never had more than 1...
Bill
If you are SURE than the tires/wheels are perfectly balanced and ROUND, I will look at the driveshaft.
Also, drive at a speed where you have the vibration and put the gear shift in neutral.
If you still have the vibration, you know that it is not engine RPM's related.
Luc.01 XJR,88 XJ6,74 Roadster.
My 99 VDP S/C (Which I took out on the Palisades pkwy a couple weeks ago) Has NO Vibrations between 1mph and 135mph.
Its' a LWB as well.
Could be out of round tires (Pirellis, much as I love them, are wont to do this).
Where do you live? If youre near NY City in NJ.. I know of some good shops..
Bill
Those puppies sell. We got sticker without even a hint of an argument for every one we could get... People who want them are generally looking quite hard for them.
Well, Mommy didnt pay MSRP. She paid $4,000 over invoice.
Bill
Someday we should have a decent search feature that will return links to specific messages based on a key word search. It may be a ways off still, but it is supposed to be in the works. I mention this because it is the only compensation I can think of for only being able to view 20 messages at a time while trying to find information.
I'm sorry - I wish I had a better answer. But when we do get an enhanced search feature, previously posted information will be much easier to find.
Pat
Host
Sedans Message Board
At the time the deal on employee purchases was something like 50% off of the typical margin on high-demand cars. Back in 99 a VDP S/C had closer to $11K built into it.. I probably got the cheapest deal nationwide on one then..
I bought it out at the residual... 30% it was after 3 years (We use an independent leasing company and write a lot of the car down).
$24,000 for a 99 VDP S/C with under 20K miles (IIRC) aint a bad deal! I'm even tempted to sell it...
Bill
-rb
Interesting vehicle.
The more I think about your posts, the more that I realize that owning a Vanden Plas S/C entirely fits my image of what your mother must be like. My compliments.
2009 BMW 335i, 2003 Corvette cnv. (RIP 2001 Jaguar XK8 cnv and 1985 MB 380SE [the best of the lot])
rb: Yup.. new for '02. Available in Platinum and Anthracite I think..
Know the local dealer has an Anthracite/Charcoal one here.. (Smart move in FL.. Black Black!)
It looks like an XJR without the Supercharger basically..
Bill
I just happened upon this forum and was wondering if anyone heard any news in regards to the new redesigned XJ series?
My wife currently has a 2000 XJ8 in Mistral Blue/Oatmeal and the car is a joy to drive. Gorgeous vehicle!
Nothing firm yet.. but the car is supposed to be nothing at all like the spy pics.
It ought to be intro'd in the spring...
Bill99 VDP S/C
95 VDP 132K Bulletproof
92 VDP 100K
2009 BMW 335i, 2003 Corvette cnv. (RIP 2001 Jaguar XK8 cnv and 1985 MB 380SE [the best of the lot])
You need that if you live in Florida.