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  • christchurchchristchurch Posts: 125
    Welcome to this "high class" group.

    You have just made yourself part of a really great group of afectionados - Jag devotees who share a real regard for this classic motorcar.

    My suggestion, is that you go back, at your leisure and read from these posts from the beginning. You will find here are some really great comments and sage advice offered here. This forum is an invaluable source for Jaguar owners and enthusiasts.

    Regarding your Benz experience, let me say that I have driven Benz for years. They are truly great automobiles. But, they are so different than Jags from conception.

    Once you "fall in love" with the Jaguar motorcar
    nothing again will feel same again. The Jag handling and driving expierence is without parralel., something sensuous, to say the least.

    Glad to have you share with us. Welcome, in the "name of the cat".

    Now Jaguar will be part of your life forever !
    Christchurch
  • im_brentwoodim_brentwood Posts: 4,883
    $15K? 81K Miles?


    Good price! Car would do $13,000 at auction easily if not $14K if its real nice.


    lookit this first:


    http://www.vauxhallpa.50megs.com/paintwork.html


    Make sure it hasnt been smashed!


    Red Flags? Other than the obvious, look to make sure that the electric motor for the tilt works on the steering column...And contact the dealer to see if the timing chain tensioner update (The old ones were noisy) has been done.


    Otherwise, bulletproof cars. My 95 VDP has 128K beat-it-to-death miles on it... No real problems!


    Bill

  • jcaboosejcaboose Posts: 5
    Wow, thanks for the great link!

    I'm more than a little uneasy about the whole thing. I'm worried that at some point, either when I just see it sitting there calling my name or when I get behind the wheel the first time or stretch its legs on the highway that I'm going to fall hopelessly helplessly in love and lose all manner of good judgment. At the price its offered, even before any negotiation, alarm bells are ringing that there simply must be something wrong with it. As much as I'd love to have one, I don't want to buy a "money pit."

    But thanks for the advice, no matter what happens.
  • christchurchchristchurch Posts: 125
    jcaboose ,

    Now how can you ignore such a beautiful machine?
    You've been smitten by the "damsel" and that is what happens, they can't be resisted.

    Brentwoodvolvo Bill, is right, these are great cars, if bought right and if they have been well treated.

    The 95 VDP certainly has more life in it, but, here is what I strongly recommend to you and others when considering a pre - owned vehicle:

    (A) Check the cars history (Carfax.com) which will give you some insight into its past.

    (B) See if there are existing service records of repairs, oil changes, etc. This can be a great resource in determining if the vehicle has had "kid glove" treatment. If it has, great!

    (C) Ask to take car to a really good "foreign car specialist" preferably one who knows Jags inside and out. Ask around to others who drive Jags or Benz, BMW, Volvo, etc. and see where they get their cars serviced and take it there.
    If you are looking to buying from an independent dealer, then consider taking it to your area Jaguar dealer. (By the way, friends have even taken a car from one Jag. dealer to another when considering purchase and even had the first Jag. dealers blessing in doing so ! Talk about good "sportsmanship" !)
    Anyway, when you find the best place / mechanic to do the evaluation ask for a a complete written assessment of the cars condition and evaluation of problem areas. In addition, ask what they would do in the future.

    This evaluation process will cost you some bucks but, if you are a serious buyer, one who likes to "hedge your bets", this is the only sensible way to go. It will be well worth it.

    (D) Finally, remember that you are buying a six year old automobile. Any car, this one included, will need some "investment" to keep it going in first class shape. Expect, therefore, to spend some money now if it needs something (as per the expert evaluation) and down the road.

    Finally, if all these items meet the muster, then by all means buy the "cat".
    You will never forgive yourself if you pass it by.
    Nor will you ever wonder how you could even have considered not buying a Jag once you drive and own one.

    Jaguar driving is one of the few really great classic diving experiences left.... one never to be missed.

    Hope this sage advice, if taken, will move you toward a wise purchase.

    A "cat" lover !
    Christchurch

    If you get a clean bill of health buy the "cat"
  • 97vdpguy97vdpguy Posts: 111
    This Edmunds site has a wealth of information on it.


    Check out the following link for advice on what to look for in a used car. The page this link is subordinate to has other good articles as well.


    Good Luck!


    http://www.edmunds.com/advice/buying/articles/46039/page004.html

  • im_brentwoodim_brentwood Posts: 4,883
    Dont worry, you WILL Fall hopelessly in love with it. Even if it needs some minor work, I think it is a very good buy.

    If it passes muster do the following:

    1) Grab Checkbook, buy car. Of course try and negotiate, but if price is firm you still did quite well.

    2) Laugh your butt off at people in New Saturns and Corollas who drool at your car at stoplights! :))))

    Bill
  • mahivdpmahivdp Posts: 3
    Hope I can help. My wife did the same to my Cat at the marina. I rushed over and took a pic with my digital cam with ruler showing how high the spike was than reported incident to the marina. I contacted their ins. carrier and no problem. They replaced the bumper and underbonnet, (cost-$1350.00). The bumper was ripped by both spikes. Good thing I took the pic. They were hammered down within 20 minutes. Good luck.
    Ted
  • christchurchchristchurch Posts: 125
    I am curious as to whether anyone has bought a Jaguar on-line.

    If so, what on line dealers have you dealt with and which do rate as reputable and first class?
    What is your experience, pros and cons ?
    Is there a real price advantage to this way of buying rather than going to an auction yourself with a broker ?
    I am leery of buying "sight unseen"... should I be ?

    Just curious, thanks !
    Christchurch
  • 97vdpguy97vdpguy Posts: 111
    Ted,

    If that ever happens again, I think I will try that. I'll certainly complain to our bldg mgmt at any rate. Since a few days have gone by and I don't have a digital pic (great idea!), I think my chances are pretty slim this time.

    I've thought about bringing in a sledge hammer and just knocking the darn spike down a little more, but with my luck, they'll bust me for damaging THEIR property!

    But I've also decided to heed my own as well as another poster's suggestion and just park in a different spot!

    Cheers,
    Ron
  • Hello all you cat people.
    My wife as driving our 98 VDP to work when the amber warning light flashed on. This is the light under the speedo. There are two lights ( one on the left is amber and on the right is red) She said she went through some water. Maybe a skid sensor? Any help, Bill or anyone.
  • ctstonectstone Posts: 2
    Hi, my name's Seneca. I've loved Jaguars since I first started noticing cars at all (when I was 6 or so).

    I'm getting to the point where I could afford about $25,000 on a car, with about 25% down and then a 75% loan.

    What sort of XJR do you think I could buy with $25000? I'd want an XJR, British Racing Green with light leather interior. I'd want to treat the car as well as anyone's ever treated a car, too...but I couldn't afford tons of repairs or a lot of fix-up work.

    Also - any estimation on what the prices are going to be like in a year? I go to school in a wintry area (Ithaca, NY), so I'm thinking about waiting until I graduate in May to buy it.

    Thanks so much.
  • 97vdpguy97vdpguy Posts: 111
    My guess would be that you're looking at a high-miles 1997 or a 1996 to put you at or under $25K.

    Make sure you add an extended warranty (third party) that covers the turbocharger. You wouldn't want to pay for any of that out of your pocket.

    If you wait until May, you might be in the range of a 1998 model.

    I would recommend waiting if you can. For a couple reasons: 1) a '98 has an updated wiring harness, 2) it's "newer", 3) the snow will have melted.

    But once you start test-driving, you're going to want it NOW!!

    Good Luck!
  • k15056k15056 Posts: 5
    I bought an S-type in May of 1999. It was one of the first ones brought into the US. (its VIN was in the 17,000's). It was a 4.0 with premium sound but did not have the sport pkg. At that time it turned heads like you would not believe. People approached me in parking lots and actually pulled over at my office bldg. where the the car was parked during the day, to look at my S. At first it was cool but then it became a little bit bothersome having to worry about it. Still, this is the way it turned heads
    I now own a westminster blue 2001 XJ8 with premium sound, front/back seat warmers and the VDP wood steering wheel and shifter knob. It turns far fewer heads but is a far superior car to the S. The S had a shimmy in the wheel between 65-75 mph that my dealer could not seem to fix (they rotated and balanced the tires every time I brought it up) Also, the "third brake light" developed a vibration the dealer could not seem to get rid of. While I had no problems with this particular issue, the heat fan would come on after the car was turned off about any time the temp. rose above 90 degrees. My dealer said that was normal but my XJ does not do that.

    Would I own another S? Yes, but only if I could not get an XJ. The XJ is an entirely different car. Its smoother, quicker, more precise and not plagued with the first 1 or 2 year "ironing the bugs out" process the S apparantly is in at this time.

    I certainly do not regret owning my S and it will always hold a very special place in my heart as it truly is a beautiful and classic looking car. But the XJ is the car to own if you're hooked on the Jag experience (IMHO).

    Hope this helps, Best Regards.
  • rea98drea98d Posts: 982
    How does the interior space compare on the S vs. the XJ? I've been told the XJ's are bigger outside, but smaller inside than the S-Type. Being 6'1", interior room is one of the main things I look for in a comfortable car. It almost seems counter-intuitive to look at a smaller car for more room, but stranger things have happened!
  • k15056k15056 Posts: 5
    Regarding whether the XJ has more or less interior space than the S, I haven't noticed any difference (but I am 5' 9' and 160lbs.). In my opinion they're about the same. I do notice that the back seat of both the S and my XJ (standard wheel base) tend to cramp back seat passengers. I have to remember to let the back seat passenger out before my seat retracts or it causes the back seat passenger to get even more severely cramped. Sorry I couldn't be of more help. Best regards.
  • 97vdpguy97vdpguy Posts: 111
    That might be an accurate description. On the showroom floor, the XJ does look a little longer, but not wider or taller. The S-type to me looks like a puffy XJ (until you see a Mercury Sable or a Ford Taurus, then it just looks like those).

    The S comes with a glass "moon roof" with a sliding blind, the XJ only has the standard metal sunroof.

    The S has more cabin space in the front seats. More headroom for sure. I don't know how spacious the rear seating is. Probably on par with the standard XJ frame.

    Because the rear seats fold down, the S has more trunk capacity. It looked a little deeper than the XJ to me also.

    I test drove both. I was torn over all the space-age gizmos in the S, but I opted for the classic XJ body and bought a VDP.
  • jwilson1jwilson1 Posts: 956
    So it's Sunday & tonight I need a life ... I went to the Edmund's specs pages on both the XJ and the S.

    The XJ has 37.2" of headroom in the front and 36.3 in the rear; the S has nearly an inch & a half more in the front, but only a tenth more in the rear.

    The XJ has 57.3" of shoulder room in both the front and rear; the S has an inch less in the front and about a half inch less in the rear.

    The XJ loses big time in leg room -- it has 41.2 in the front and only 33.7 in the rear, cramped as we know. The S has 43.1" front and a generous 37.7" rear!

    The XJ supposedly holds 12.7 cu ft of luggage while the S has a cu ft less.

    The XJ is 6.5" longer than the S, nearly 1.5" wider, three inches lower, and has a wheelbase and inch and a half shorter.

    All that said, I've sat in cars supposedly small and felt comfortable, and in others supposed to be much larger and felt tight, so....I guess the facts sometimes don't work out, at least not unless you take them as a whole. By these the S sounds more comfortable, and may be.

    On the other hand, the XJ looks like a Jaguar. Some people think the S does, too.

    Take care.
    Joe W.
  • im_brentwoodim_brentwood Posts: 4,883
    May I make a suggestion?

    You can afford a 96 XJR. Do not buy an Edgy XJR.

    Frankly

    You can also afford a 98 XJ8, which is, frankly, nearly as good performancewise and overall much better. Insurance will not slaughter you as much either. And no $1,500 set of 15K mile P-Zeros. Also, snow tires are available in two options: $1,500 a set for 17" Snow tires or new wheels and tires.

    A thought...

    Bill
  • shehzadshehzad Posts: 52
    Just the other day, I was pulling into the garage and hit the right rearview mirror against the entrance wall--didn't cause any damage except for the body colored plastic covering on the mirror area--which fell off and cracked (1999 XJ8). Anyhow, the first thing I did was to check w/ a couple of the websites recommended on this thread. First, I called Welshent.com, but they didn't have the part and couldn't order it either, so they recommended that I just go to the dealer and get it. Next, I stopped by coventrywest.com, and they didn't have the part off of a used car as well, but recommended that I just go ahead and I order it new from them. When I asked the guy if he charged less than the dealer, his response was "absolutely", and mentioned that it would be $87.00, but that it didn't come prepainted, so I'd have to go to a paintshop and get it painted. Ordering it and then having to find a bodyshop for painting it seemed like a bit of a hassle, so I told him that I'd just call my dealer (Rosenthal in Virginia) and ask him if he could do it for me. I just went to Rosenthal today, talked to my service technician, who mentioned also that it'd have to be painted, and told me to go to the parts dept and pick up the piece, and that he'd recommend a tiny paintshop within the dealer to paint the part. I was about to then just say I'd order the part on my own(from the coventrywest.com website and hence save what I thought would be gobs of money) and just come back to get it painted--but then my curiosity took hold and I walked to the parts dept just to ask how much the part cost. $86.55. Who woulda thunk--the dealers actually cheaper than some discount place--AND I don't have to pay shipping costs. As it was, I bought the part from the dealer and will get it painted on thursday. I can't say my faith in dealers has been completely restored (especially b/c I know how Rosenthal's sales dept can be a headache to deal with), but without a doubt, I think that sometimes, just sometimes, dealers (all this excepting Bill--who's got to be one of the most straightforward dealers around--next time I by a Jag, I'm driving to florida and buying it from you just as a way of saying thanks for all of your assistance thus far) might actually play it relatively straight--especially compared to the competition.
  • ctstonectstone Posts: 2
    Hmmm, thanks Bill. I didn't think about the insurance costs being higher for the XJR - I haven't had my license for 5 years, even, so insurance is a problem. I didn't think about having to replace the tires that often (15k) either.

    Just as an aside, do you know what sort of insurance costs I'd be looking at for a 1998 XJ8 as a male with less than 5 years on his license?

    Do you think the difference in cost between a 1997 XJ6/VDP and a 1998 XJ8/VDP justifies going up to a 1998 (when I could save some money looking for a 1997)? I wondered about the 8-cylinder.

    Thank you for your help,
    Seneca
  • im_brentwoodim_brentwood Posts: 4,883
    Wow :)

    Thanks!

    Actually, it sometimes pays to check the price at the dealer. Now, I had to buy a headlight for the 97 XJ6. Collier (Who I intensely dislike): $180 I got it for $130 mail order. Typically I would not have bothered for $50 when its a smashed headlight, ut I could live without the car for a few days and I have my own reasons for disliking the local dealer.

    Still, you never know!

    Bill
  • im_brentwoodim_brentwood Posts: 4,883
    97 vs 98?

    Yes.

    Insurance? www.esurance.com

    I pay $950 or so per year for the 95 VDP..... I'm 26 and have a clean license. Its; also the only modern car I have insured (I love my dealer plates but having a car insured and registered in my name keeps the DMV Happy).

    Bill
  • bluevdp96bluevdp96 Posts: 1
    Did I get a good price on my 96 vdp with 69080 fully loaded with everything but the rear reclining seats and rear cup holders its the best ride I,be experienced paid 21,495 what you think be honest I already got it just would like to I did my research well.
  • im_brentwoodim_brentwood Posts: 4,883
    Congrats! Nice car too.

    Hmm... Color? If its Blue (I assume Sapphire Blue.. the deep Royal Blue) and clean, $21K is a good retail price.

    Oh, the rear cupholders and rear reclining seats (Been reading the owner's manual I assume? :) are available if you live East of the Atlantic Ocean.

    NA on the US-Market cars.

    Only options were the harman/kardon premium sound system (Does it say "harman/kardon" on the door speakers?) and the "weather pkg" which is traction control and heated seats. Later 96 Production VDPs also had heated rear seats in addition to heated front seats. (It ought to have a CD Changer in the trunk, those were standard on 95-96 VDPs)

    Enjoy it!

    Bill
  • lesliejoylesliejoy Posts: 62
    Anyone know what color is trim code "AGE"?

    My car says my trim code is "SDZ" and I have the oatmeal interior.

    Is "AGE" grey?

    Thanks
  • bhill2bhill2 Posts: 1,792
    In a belated reply to rea98d, I am 6' 1" and 200+ lbs, and found the driver's seat of a rented XJ supremely comfortable on a 4 hour trip (and back). It does have a kind of 'cockpit' feeling, but I had no problem with that. I have also driven an S-type, although not as far, and find it to be fine but not as intimate. I definitely preferred the XJ. One caveat, however. As tall as you are, if you are going to carry anyone taller than about 5' behind you, get the XJL (or VP of course). Incidently, I own an XK8 and against all odds fit in that too (and, may I say, VERY happily).

    2009 BMW 335i, 2003 Corvette cnv. (RIP 2001 Jaguar XK8 cnv and 1985 MB 380SE [the best of the lot])

  • im_brentwoodim_brentwood Posts: 4,883
    Leslie, Paint or interior?

    Yours is BRG/Oatmeal, right?

    Bill
  • lesliejoylesliejoy Posts: 62
    Someone's selling a wood/leather steering wheel and they say it matches trim color AGE/AGD.

    We are talking about the interior since the leather would have to match. My interior code on the driver's door says "SDZ".

    I was wondering what the AGE color is and if it would match.

    Thanks.
  • im_brentwoodim_brentwood Posts: 4,883
    I *_think_* that its' Cashmere, which won't look right on Oatmeal.

    I'd ask the dealer on this one to be sure I'm afraid...

    Bill
  • lesliejoylesliejoy Posts: 62
    Just heard from the seller. He says the color was
    "antelope." Never heard of that one.

    Don't think it will match oatmeal either. Oh well. He has it on ebay for $149.95.
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