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  • protegextwoprotegextwo Member Posts: 1,265
    #21510 of 21519 Meade... by vocus May 23, 2003 (10:52 am)

    I have to get a new rear window. Someone threw something through it last night and set the interior of my car on fire. Of course, I have to find out if the car's a total loss first though.
    -Paul King


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    #21511 of 21519 What??? by chikoo May 23, 2003 (11:11 am)
     
    "The jetta is on fire. Now you can go get the new chrysler u have been talking about."
    -Nick

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    Paul, I hope you tossed the lighter fluid in a dumpster and sent your clothing to the dry cleaners! I guess you don't have to worry about the balloon loan any more, sheesh!!!

    -lovetrain
  • mazdafunmazdafun Member Posts: 2,329
    Ready to zoom zoom? I am. See you there. :)
  • meinradmeinrad Member Posts: 820
    Go Speed Racer Gooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

    Good luck Chow-chi. That should be fun.

    So I guess that's why we haven't seen Dale much. Must be out practicing how not to hit cones.
  • ashutoshsmashutoshsm Member Posts: 1,007
    That's who (whom?) my money's on :)
  • mazdafunmazdafun Member Posts: 2,329
    I know passengers are not allowed, but perhaps stuffed animals?
  • chicagoprochicagopro Member Posts: 1,009
    ...for all the votes of confidence (?), y'all.

    Yeah, if you East Coasters take a look in the western sky Saturday morning and see a bunch of orange cones flying around, you'll know Dale is on the track. Should be pretty exciting. :)
  • mdaffronmdaffron Member Posts: 4,421
    Maybe Dale can tell us where Paul is.

    Meade
  • meinradmeinrad Member Posts: 820
    Dale will kill 3 cones and come in 79th place.

    Pete will kill 0 cones and come in 5th place.

    Chow-chi will kill 0 cones and come in 11th place.
  • mazdafunmazdafun Member Posts: 2,329
    I'm not telling how any of us did. ;)
  • manavimanavi Member Posts: 150
    I did the Rev-It-Up in Dallas about a month ago and here's my advice ...

    Drive really fast!

    Just kidding. Actually, they have a couple of driving clinics that you can do before you actually do your timed runs. I did the Brake and Turn clinic and it was USELESS. Do not bother waiting the one hour in line for the Brake and Turn clinic or the Slalom clinic. Your best use of time while waiting for your scheduled run time will be doing the Practice course they have a couple of times.

    Also, the Mazda 6 you will be driving is an autostick. You have to start off in Drive but as soon as you take off shove it to the side and get into 2nd gear once you feel the steam run out in 1st. Then, leave it there.

    Other than that, just try to drive as smoothly maniacal as possible. You are going to need to take the car to the edge of its abilities and keep it there.

    BTW, I ended up placing 2nd in the Novice Class and 43rd overall at the Dallas Rev-It-Up with a score of 592.

    Good Luck!
  • chicagoprochicagopro Member Posts: 1,009
    Thanks for the tips!
  • theparallaxtheparallax Member Posts: 361
    From my "fairly limited" autocross experience, try this technique...

    Keep it in 1st and 2nd...you will most likely not even reach high enough speed to use 3rd gear; don't worry about revving the engine too high - that's what the limiter is for. When you approach the turns, brake before the turn and accelerate through the corner. If it's a tight corner, downshift to 1st and run it all the way to the redline and shift. Zoom-zoom!

    Hope this helps.
  • chicagoprochicagopro Member Posts: 1,009
    ...but I had a blast at Rev It Up on Saturday.

    Spent the day hanging with Pete and Chow-chi, getting too much sun, and getting a little sick in the turns.

    --test-drove a Miata (A/T)....twice. :D

    --did all the little clinics and practices.

    --did my two competitive runs withOUT eating any cones or going off the course. And in the second run, I even managed to shave 4 seconds off my abysmally low first time. :P

    --got yet ANOTHER speeding ticket after the event. I guess I was so revved up I didn't notice the speedometer inching towards 90. Too bad the state trooper did. :(

    It was still a great day, though. :)
  • mazdafunmazdafun Member Posts: 2,329
    I didn't do that well (too rough, not enough courage to really push the car), but had lots of fun anyway. Test-drove all but the stick MSP Protege and the Miatas (knees rub against the steering wheel...not very safe).

    And I managed to find a comfortable position for me in the RX-8 w/o moonroof. I don't fit in the rear (too tall a torso), but I fit OK in the front. As with most hardtop sports cars, visibility out the back and rear-sides is poor. Front is good. Engine is very smooth and quiet (we talked the Mazda rep into revving it for us). It looks even better in person than in print.

    There were lots of folks out there and most cars in the parking lot weren't Mazdas, so I think Mazda is generating a lot of interest with this type of event. Lots of non-competitors were there to watch and test-drive the production cars on an easy auto-X course (mash accelerator, mash brake to a stop, then take some curves and slalom). The 6i is definitely easier to toss than the 6s with its lighter nose. The MSP Protege would kick the 6 in the auto-X, but the 6 has some really high handling limits (I could've and should've pushed harder), especially with the Falken tires they put on them. They must go through truckloads of tires with these events.

    Too bad the cars will be sent to the crusher. I was hoping they'd auction them off afterwards, with stickers and logos still attached. They still sounded perfectly fine (I noted about 3000miles on the odometer on one), but they are treated pretty roughly.

    Oh, they put both 6i and 6s in the competition courses (the 6s had the V6 emblem on the front doors). Doesn't seem to make much difference in the end. I had both during my timed runs (6i, then 6s).

    Man, I came nowhere close. At least I didn't get a ticket for speeding afterwards (sorry, Dale). BTW, Indianapolis is one big speed trap, in case you ever pass through the area.
  • speedyptspeedypt Member Posts: 200
    I could swear you were saying you couldn't get another ticket or you would lose your license???

    Also...I have to say this to Dale as a result of her postings leading up to the event:

    IN YOUR FACE DALE!!!

    Out of 1684 competitors at the event, Dale managed to get herself into the last page of the competitors. I, on the other hand, ended up #187 out of 1684 or top 11%!

    So Dale, looks like you should have been out practicing instead of talking smack! :-)

    Sorry about the ticket Dale. I don't wish that on anyone.

    Regards and ZOOM ZOOM,

    Pete
  • meinradmeinrad Member Posts: 820
    have missed the details, but I was correct in the order of finish!

    Dale, you didn't notice your speedometer approaching 90! You don't drive a Maybach. I'd think you should notice that in Protege. You weren't pulling a Jason were you?

    Chow-chi, you should have pushed it! But fun was the name of the game so that makes it a good day.

    And Pete, that's a pretty good finish. I'd have been more than happy with that. That is of course, if they bothered to come to Pittsburgh, which they didn't, those stupid people.
  • the_big_hthe_big_h Member Posts: 1,583
  • ashutoshsmashutoshsm Member Posts: 1,007
    Wow - I'm pumped about about my turn at it - although I'm sure I'll suck :)

    Sorry to hear about the ticket Dale - but still - Zoom Zoom! Just go easy - I doubt you can afford a third.

    On a related note - in 5 (or 3) days - my only ticket will edge into having occurred 3 or MORE years ago, meaning I *might* get a small break on auto insurance soon. If I can avoid tickets - had a few close calls already this summer!

    So - who else is going to be at the DC Rev-It-Up? I think my friends and I will be there mid-morning Saturday, but I'll have to check my email confirmation! I think registration is still open, if anyone else wants to enroll!
  • the_big_hthe_big_h Member Posts: 1,583
    DC rev-it-up registration is FULL, no further registration allowed :-(
  • ashutoshsmashutoshsm Member Posts: 1,007
    ... until a couple of weeks ago I was still getting the email flyers about the event.

     Anyway - there's apparently lots of other stuff to do (test drive other cars, attend clinics, pick up brochures etc) for casual visitors or Mazda/motorsports enthusiasts there!
  • mazdafunmazdafun Member Posts: 2,329
    Find as low a seating position as comfortable so you can brace yourself and don't feel the lateral forces as much, but make sure you have enough frontal visibility.

    If the rear-view mirror is in the way, shove it up against the windshield. You won't need it, and you need the frontal visibility.

    Turn off TCS (below and to the left of the steering wheel). Start the manumatic in 1st and slam it into 2nd about a half-second before you think you'll need it. Stay in 2nd.

    Feather the pedals. Slamming like I sometimes did only makes your maneuvers sloppy. I forgot to keep a light touch on the acclerator through the slaloms to maintain momentum and lost time there.

    Get a feel for the 6's handling limits on the other courses. Keep as much momentum as you can.

    They have colored cones amid the sea of orange cones to help you locate the apexes. Try to memorize them your first time through.
  • chicagoprochicagopro Member Posts: 1,009
    I'm not sure why I was just allowed to pay the fine and keep on driving...maybe my first ticket is more than a year old now. Who knows. Trust me, I'm creeping along like an old grandma now.

    Raymond: Yeah, I knew I was going fast, but I had been trying to keep things at a sedate 82 mph. Guess I got carried away.

    Pete: Okay, okay, guess I deserved a little of that. I still had fun, though. :P
  • meinradmeinrad Member Posts: 820
  • ashutoshsmashutoshsm Member Posts: 1,007
    Had a tonne of fonne!

    Were any other pro owners from the board there? Saw a bunch of Mazdas in the lot. I parked next to two 6'es (one I knew the owner of, the other - I wish - huge but tasteful titanium wheels, custom 2-tone interior, excellent wax/detail job). Also saw lots of Miatas and RX'es parked together. The Pros/P5's were scattered around the parking lot. The other other board ('new car' club) has some pix & discussion threads. Apparently there are some really awesome drivers in the region.

    As for how I did - well, the less said the better. I ignored the oft-repeated advice to drive smoothly (lotsa hard breaking, standing on the pedal, and lots of tire squeal), and for one of my runs - forgot it in Drive (instead of 2nd gear with the Manumatic). Got 36.xxx and 35.0xx seconds (35x and 400 flat being the respective scores). Just about 45th percentile for DC, and nationwide. But considering how many people seemed to have loads of auto-xing experience - not too shabby for my first time ever :)

    Also got thrown out (politely) of the test drive tent for being very serious about finding out just how good the Mazdaspeed Pro is (let me tell you - it kicks f&^%&^% ^%^!). If they had put that up for the runs (the actual Auto X course) - it would have kicked the 6's Y^&^! Highly entertaining, perfectly set up, and loads of fun to drive. Ride's a bit rough for a daily driver (I slowed down while returning to the tent to appease the officials, not that it helped!) - but something I might live with for the fun quoetient :)

    The clinics were cool and fun as well - learnt a few things. I didn't do my slaloms (clinic, test course or actual course) too well, but feel like I had turn-in braking, apexing and accelerating out of turns buttoned down by the end of the day - heck, its just (like) the way I drive :)
  • mazdafunmazdafun Member Posts: 2,329
    I'm glad you had fun. You did better than I. I wasn't very smooth (better on 2nd run, but not good enough), but I forgot to keep on the gas through the slaloms (d'oh!), and didn't push in the curves nearly as hard as the car could've taken it.

    I was only riding shotgun on the Mazdaspeed Protege test drive, but I could tell it would've beaten the 6 handily on the same course. The 6 is good, but the MSP is better. Of course, the ride is noticeably stiffer too.

    Now, watch your tires and brakes wear down faster. ;)
  • ashutoshsmashutoshsm Member Posts: 1,007
    Now, watch your tires and brakes wear down faster. ;)

    Got a lower gas mileage on the 6 after my last fillup (which included the drive to and from the RevItUp event as well as some additional driving the next day). I did make a couple of friends in my car nervous when I made the tires squeal a few times - hey said they'd hoped I'd start taking it easier on the new car, after driving the Pro pretty hard (turns and curves - mostly!). Yeah, right!

    Hey - interesting that you have inside tire wear too - I had tiny bit of extra wear on the (left front) Falkens at first rotation because I really enjoyed all the left turns my different routes into and back from work took me through :) Those tires never lifted or slipped, though! Not in even in surprisingly heavy rain or overly aggressive turning/cornering :)
  • ashutoshsmashutoshsm Member Posts: 1,007
    ... one of my friends who rode with me to the RevItUp and competed (and actually did better than I!) commented on how similar the low-end grunt on the manual 6i was to the auto 6s. of course, the top-end on the 6s is WAY better, with the extra combustion space and all, but for city/basic freeway driving - the 4-cylinder engine is a gem!

    If you consider the 4-cylinder 6 or the upgraded (2,3l) Mazda3, you can't go wrong :)
  • mdaffronmdaffron Member Posts: 4,421
    After my latest readings on the Mazda6 discussion, I can't say I'm ready to make the jump back into a vehicle with a Ford (OK, "mostly" Ford) engine in it. And I tend to get sticker shock when I'm car shopping, so -- even though I'm being WAYYYY premature here -- I'll probably be verrrrrrrrrrrry interested in a loaded Mazda3 wagon when the time comes.

    Meade
  • mazdafunmazdafun Member Posts: 2,329
    The 6 equipped with Falkens had prodigious grip. But I test-drove a 6i and 6s (both AT) on the test-drive course and I thought the 6i responded faster to steering inputs, but I thought the 6s front end had more grip through a fast, tight turn. I thought the 6i's front end started slipping earlier. It's probably the heavier V6 engine providing that. I wonder if throwing a bag of cat litter under the hood would do the same for a 6i. ;)
  • ashutoshsmashutoshsm Member Posts: 1,007
    ... make your car have 160 HP plus 1-2 cp (catpower)? Because, dumb as cats can be, a few would jump right into the engine bay as soon as they realised there was some litter in there! The extra cp might come in handy - especially becaise the peak rpm (roars per minute) would incresae as well.

    OK - I need sleep.
  • dinu01dinu01 Member Posts: 2,586
    Nice analogy Ashu! Was that an analogy, teacher (Aka:Dale)? Oh, it's too early.

    Dinu
  • chicagoprochicagopro Member Posts: 1,009
    Well, for the time being, I'll just ignore the fact that some silly person said that cats were dumb and try to answer Dinu's question.

    I'm not sure that was really an analogy. More like a silly person trying to be funny. :P
  • dinu01dinu01 Member Posts: 2,586
    2mths w.out posts!

    That must be a new record.

    Dinu
  • ashutoshsmashutoshsm Member Posts: 1,007
    ... trolling other discussion groups.

    Just FYI - I no longer own a Protege. I sold it (Saturday, but picked up by buyer yesterday) for a satisfactory price.

    Gave me 3 and a half years of flawless service, and lots of fun (especially with the many minor/major add-ons I made). I drove it around a bit over the wekeend, but realized that having another fun Mazda meant I wouldn't miss it as badly as I would.

    Can I still continue to post here? :)

    ps: This buyer wanted to see an inspection report, so I had an unbiased mechanic inspect it. I didn't even tell the mechanic (although the garage owner knew) I was the seller, not the potential buyer, as is typically the case with a pre-purchase inspection. It came back with a super clean bill of health, and the mechanic tells me - "Buy this car - its one of the cleanest cars its age, and a better deal than more expensive stuff that isn't any better". How d'ya like that? :)
  • meinradmeinrad Member Posts: 820
    Just don't Vocus us!

    Glad you got a decent price for your car. I don't think you'll miss it at all considering how nice your new car is.

    Although there is always some sentiment when a car is gone. Although I was so ready to dump my 11 year old Civic, I was still kind of sad the day we picked up the Element and left the Civic sitting at the dealer.

    Wonder what that car is doing today?
  • ashutoshsmashutoshsm Member Posts: 1,007
    I'm thinking about the Pro - but also happen to know exactly what its doing :)

    The buyer called saying the CD changer didn't work. Turns out we never went through how to use the head unit to control the CD changer! So I know he's ou on his super-long commute (like 80 miles round trip). Hopefully the car provides him the same fun, (and if he doesn't care about fun, at least) reliable service it gave me!
  • mazdafunmazdafun Member Posts: 2,329
    They handed out 10% off coupons at last Friday's Panther event at my local Apple Store, and I ended up walking out with a 12in G4 iBook. So far so good. Only one crash in Safari to date (I'll find out how stable it is during this week's Mazda Mania chat). Battery life is pretty close to their claimed 6 hours. It seems snappy enough for my occasional movie-editing (which was slow on my old original dual-USB iBook). More than enough for everything else I do on it.

    Whew. That was a big chunk of change. Not as big as a new car though. ;)

    Seriously, their new machines are pretty nice. The G5 is still expensive, but it's made the older G4 minitowers even cheaper, though they pale in comparison to the G5 towers. I think the eMac makes a very good business machine, though it is aimed at home and education users.
  • mazdafunmazdafun Member Posts: 2,329
    So many droolworthy cars all in one image.... :)
  • ashutoshsmashutoshsm Member Posts: 1,007
  • meinradmeinrad Member Posts: 820
    now my kid can't count.

    3-5-6-8, he keeps missing numbers.
  • meinradmeinrad Member Posts: 820
    -20 windchills and 57,000 people still show up for an outdoor hockey game!
  • protege_fanprotege_fan Member Posts: 2,405
    You bet! Although, truthfully, I'm glad I was inside the comfort of my home instead of being out there!
  • mazdafunmazdafun Member Posts: 2,329
    I hope it finds you and yours well. :)
  • mazdafunmazdafun Member Posts: 2,329
    In silver anyway. :)

    Too bad I have more than 4GB of compressed music (yes, all from my own CDs, for any RIAA-drones lurking around here).
  • meinradmeinrad Member Posts: 820
    and only halfway through my cd collection. Of course I'm using 160 mp3's, but still, it's a lot of music.

    My new computer with much faster ripping, compression abiblity will be here today or tomorrow, so I'll be able to finish the rest of the cd's.

    Now to get a portable for all that music. Wife bought me a Muvo for Christmas which I love for the gym, but I need a hard drive player for the car and or whereever I happen to be.
  • mazdafunmazdafun Member Posts: 2,329
    Don't know if you like Alpines, but they're the first aftermarket mfr to announce officially support for the iPod. It's supposed to charge the iPod (don't know which generation(s) they're going to support) and allow you to control the iPod from the head unit and the head unit to read track information etc.

    I personally like the control layout of Alpine head units (big rotary dial, larger buttons close to the driver-side), but didn't find one with a front AUX-in jack for a price I was willing to pay. But here's hoping more car stereo vendors will be supporting iPods (as well as other portable music players).
  • meinradmeinrad Member Posts: 820
    Everyone having fun! 4" this morning, no one plowed since school was cancelled and now a nice coating of ice, covered by some more snow.

    Got to plow through a 2' snowdrift this morning, that was fun. Passed an Audi 6 Quattro this afternoon that was going a wonderful 10 mph on reletive clear roads.

    Bloodied my fingers knocking ice from the hood and wipers. I love winter, but today is just a bundle of fun. Some people driving too slow, some too fast, some can't see while others can't stop.

    Yee Haw!
  • mazdafunmazdafun Member Posts: 2,329
    They closed our schools last night. Good thing too as we got 8inches of snow and then some sleet to top it off. I'd have really hated the morning commute if I had to deal with a bunch of first-time snow & ice drivers in addition to the usual group that drive too fast or too slow or just follow too closely (a couple good tail wags usually warns them off though...heh, heh).

    Took the afternoon off to toboggan with my daughter. We had fun, but she got tired of walking back uphill, so we came back a bit ago and finished scraping off the sleet from our driveway.

    At least the snow and slush washed off the paper pulp from my Pro! However, with only about 5.5inches of ground clearance, it was a bit of work getting over some of those snow drifts and mounds created by the snow plows at intersections.

    Funny thing is a warm front followed the snow, so it's about 40F today. A lot of the stuff is melting. But tomorrow morning's commute will be bad as the schools will be open again and there'll be plenty of iced-over roads.
  • meinradmeinrad Member Posts: 820
    40 degrees after a good snow is awesome for sled riding! You don't get too cold, plus you can get the snow packed down real good and go really fast!
  • mazdafunmazdafun Member Posts: 2,329
    The park was packed. Some collisions, but none really bad. I wish folks would look uphill when they cross the hill or stop or ditch when they think they'll hit someone. Only so much you can do without the ability to steer.

    Anyway, I passed by the park this morning on the way to work and most of the snow has been worn away or melted. That was a good use of vacation time.

    But it was great weather, as you said. We were a bit overdressed for it, so we got pretty sweaty. But we wore waterproof stuff, so we didn't get soaked through like many did. Ski bibs are great for sledding, especially when braking or ditching (you'd be suprised how much snow gets under your clothing). Washed every bit of outerwear afterwards. You never know what you've gone through in a public park, especially one where people walk their dogs. :)

    Thank goodness for compact cars like the Pro. Got the toboggan in fine, and getting in and out of that mess of a parking lot was fairly easy. Just had to wait for the cumbersome minivans and SUVs to get themselves turned around (otherwise, you'd have to back out of the lots; they're long and narrow, with spots on either side in a herringbone pattern) so I could get out of the lot.
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