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Doubt there will be much splash at GM's booth at the NY Auto Show regarding the GTO. Probably have the same 2 cars, one with the optional 18" wheels, that they had in Chicago.
--Robert
Not sure how legal these kits are, but I traded emails with someone who has one, and he loves it.
--Robert
http://www.webastoshowroom.com/pontiac_gto_710.htm
If you order a Holden Monaro or HSV Coupe in Australia, this is the "OEM" sunroof.
I want one for my GTO, but will probably wait a couple of years, for $$$ reasons, plus I want to see how they hold up. Pics look great, though. Also want to sit in the car and make sure this doesn't compromise headroom too much (though at only 6', that's typically not an issue...)
--Robert
Don't know how much differences we will see for '06. And, GM just officially let it be known that they killed the Zeta platform for North America, which was to be the chassis the 2007/2008 GTO would ride on:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/technology/chi-0503190255mar19,1,5924456.story?coll=chi-tech- topheds-hed&ctrack=1&cset=true
(go to http://www.bugmenot.com if you don't want to register on the site)
Might take GM until 2010 to sort out their sedan and coupe lineups (this is assuming Pontiac is even around). So, the '04-'06 GTO may be more rare than we thought :-(
--Robert
still happy he has his - just wish this @#@# winter would end so I could drive it again
GMNA is trying to sort out their big sedan and coupe lineup... if there are to be coupes, they will probably be MY 2009 or 2010. I am assuming that by then, both Pontic and Buick will be hurting even more than they are now, and that one or both divisions will be gone.
So, things look very bleak for a next-gen GTO. I think this is good news for owners of the 2004-2005 (and eventually 2006) models, as they will probably be "in demand" as GM's last "affordable" RWD coupes (just like the '94-'96 Impala SS stayed in demand as GM's last big affordable RWD sedans).
As an owner of the first-gen Oldsmobile Aurora, I should expect nothing less of GM to whack the only cars I liked. Sad to say but, after my repurchase experience (terrible customer service), and now this, my current GTO is probably my last GM vehicle (fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me :-)
Doesn't mean I won't enjoy driving it... just happy that I got the chance to own one :-)
--Robert
Like you, I know where I'm going so no need for NAV. More importantly, I won't pay for it. Same for the xenons. They're nice but I'm not gonna pay for them.
The silver trim? The secret is to get the Quicksilver with the black interior. Then it blends in and you don't notice it. Actually, I got the silver because the other colors, while beautiful in the evening, during the day they are like dayglo to me.
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John Z. Delorean: 1925-2005
R.I.P. John....
To: Vehicle Line Executives
As part of our efforts to address the current business situation we are
facing today, we have had to make some difficult product portfolio
decisions.
As a result, we are canceling all vehicles planned off of the Zeta
architecture. Since the recent announcement of the Global Zeta Development
Team and Gene Stefanyshyn's Global VLE appointment has been widely covered
by the media, it is important to proactively position this decision
internally and externally. The message should be clear ? we are not
abandoning rear-wheel-drive vehicles and we will continue to evaluate our
future RWD plans.
In addition, we are canceling the Hummer H2 MCE and GMT361/371
right-hand-drive vehicle and delaying the GMT267 Cadillac SRX. There will
be other reductions in concept and show vehicles, SVA/HPVO activities and
some annual discretionary content.
These cancelations and delays allow us to realign resources to accelerate
some of our key strategic high-volume product launches.
It is very important that you communicate these decisions to your teams,
and that work stop immediately on the programs affected.
We find ourselves in tough times, but with the entire team working
together, we can get through them.
Thanks for your continued support.
Bob Lutz
Haven't heard from the dealer yet about upgrading to an '05. I guess it would still be too expensive. It's only a matter of time before incentives come out so I'll have to bide my time until then.
A lesson to the folks that think the GTO is going to lose its value.
Kinda-sorta. The Tri-9 SSs seemed to have sort of a runaway popularity that the GTO isn't currently enjoying. Behold the production numbers:
http://www.impalasuperstore.com/naisso/history/history07.asp
I'll detail them here quickly.
1994: 6303
1995: 21434
1996: 41941
Now that's what I'd call a smash hit. This is why the resale has stayed so high, even 10 years later. I don't see the GTO mirroring this.
Frankly, with the price of gas what it is and the mess GM is in, I'm having second thoughts about buying a GTO. I guess time and OTD pricing in the fall will tell the tale.
Now, if you're talking the cars he had a hand in, like the DeLorean or the early GTOs, then yes, they might get a temporary bump in value.
But, as Shifty says, if I owned a current Goat, I'd be driving it to at least get some enjoyment out of it.
The point I'm making is that at some point the relative scarcity of GTOs will increase their value. And unlike the Delorean (its appearance in a movie notwithstanding) it has more to offer than gullwing doors and no paint.
And I don't think that anyone will drive their GTO into the ground like you would if you had one.
What happens with its future (or lack thereof) and future value really don't matter. If you like it, drive it.
The Aurora had a nice short model run. They'll be pretty scarce in due time. But, I don't think anyone would consider it a collectable. Same can be said for the Allante...it might have a future as a collectable since it was designed here and made in Italy, though (or was it the other way around?).
The point here, I don't think the passing of John DeLorean is going to have any affect, whatsoever, on the value of recent GTOs. He had no hand in them (probably many wish he had, though).
They only made 8500 Deloreans (give or take a few).
If you have a GTO, don't bother trying to baby it with an eye towards some mythical collector status 30-40 years from now; just drive the thing.
I hate to say it but if I were GM I'd probably retire Pontiac.
And I believe we are all enjoying driving our GTOs.
You say they only made 8500 Deloreans. Someone else said 17K. Big discrepancy. Will the Delorean go up in value. Not really. Anyone who wants one has one. And that's like the GTO. The people who wanted one have one. It doesn't matter, what you paid, what other car may be faster or not, residual value or whatever. Whatever limits the number of GTOs to me is good. Like cancelling the next generation. It will tend to keep that point I was talking about higher or at least to keep from going to low...
BRIANDELSOL...........where did you buy your 2005. i paid 33100 for automatic with sport grilles??
Buick has the new Lucerne and the LaCrosse. Plus, they also have a reputation (rightfully or wrongfully) of building very reliable, quality cars.
It will be interesting to see if the predictions are correct. I haven't seen them do much in recent years to give Pontiac a fighting chance, so maybe the decision is already made, yet no one is stating the obvious.
Some sources will quote up to about 9,000 Deloreans give or take but wherever you read 17,000, that's definitely wrong by about double.
But whether 9,000 or 17,000, those are HUGE numbers when you are talking about "collectibles" of anything.
What did we say total GTO sales were so far?
The coupe Vette is 3179 pounds and its LS2-powered A4 is rated at 18/26. The GTO is 3725 pounds and its LS2-powered A4 is rated at 16/21 - same as the LS1-powered A4 2004.
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymodel/2004_Pontiac_GTO.shtml
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymodel/2005_Pontiac_GTO.shtml
--Robert
Why NO 5 spd automatic like the new 2005 300hp Mustang? That would add a few mpg to highway rating and probably have dropped the gas guzzler tax.
GM needs to get on the ball with 5spd and 6spd auto trannies.. Also imagine the extra performance from 5spd too?
Don't know if the GTO will get a 6-speed auto, but I kinda doubt the current car will get it. The next-gen would have, but that seems to be on hiatus, if not cancelled.
Having driven both on '04's, the A4 seems "sluggish" or makes the car seem "heavier" than the M6. This is torque management - can be removed or reduced - and makes the A4 seem like a totally different car. Bought the A4 due to traffic/wife issues, don't really regret it. Last year the A4 to M6 build ratio was 60-40 in favor of the auto, this year it's approaching 60-40 the other way.
For '05 the auto tranny was reworked, and it's a much better performer than the '04 A4 - as you said, gunit, it actually outperforms the stick car.
--Robert
There are supposedly close to 1000 2004's left on the lots. I don't remember the sales breakdowns for the '05's in January and February, but there must be a slew of built cars that are on the way or something (IIRC takes 5 weeks to go from Australia to Benecia, CA; cars then have to get the spoiler applied, and sent to railyards; from there to various GM distribution centers, and finally trucked to plants).
2006 cars won't start assembly until September, meaning they won't be here until December (great timing AGAIN!)...
--Robert
The local paper here did an article and took a test drive in the '05. It was so positive I think she either read the Pontiac literature on it or just took the word of the salesman. She said that getting on the freeway she went from 0-60 in less than 5 seconds. I hope she was only using poetic license. I doubt whether any '05 has enough miles on it to put it through that kind of stress. I think I'll mosey on down and
check it out. This was one of the dealers that didn't get my business because they wouldn't move off that Dealer Markup business. Maybe I will rub it in their face.