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  • regfootballregfootball Posts: 2,166
    it sucks. just like in the boats.

  • jsylvesterjsylvester Posts: 572
    I like bench seats only because you can put things in the front seat without worrying about it falling down between the seat and the darn console.

    That being said, all my cars have consoles.
  • verozahlverozahl Posts: 574
    Three cheers for consoles!
    Honda consoles kick other Ford consoles.
    When they kick Pontiac consoles, all the cheap gray junk falls under the seats.

    Ford interiors have been improved in the last two years... but generally, they are boring and unergonomic.
  • is why the 500 isn't a Mercury. It would be a chance to give that division something unique that also fits together with the Marquis and Lincolns in the showroom. Why they keep trying to sell Mercury to young people (i.e., Cougar) is beyond me. BTW, I think the 500 looks more like a Germanized Avalon than a pure VW knockoff.
  • porknbeansporknbeans Posts: 464
    I agree with that. If Ford is looking for a replacement for their aging Grand Marquis why not use this. I understand that they are trying to add some life with the Marauder but it is still an 80's design. Only having the artists drawing to go from, it would seem that it is big enough to have a V8 under the hood. The additional roomcreated from the tall roof would also seem attractive to older folks that might have a hard time getting into a lower car.

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  • verozahlverozahl Posts: 574
    Mercury sells fine to older folks these days, and that is Ford's problem. Ford should be bread-and-butter sedans and trucks. Exciting things should go to Mercury. Marauder. Mondeo. Mazda spinoffs. The Ford 500? Why can it not compete with the Impala? Make it a Ford, and not an expensive Mercury wannabe.
  • That's exactly my point. What makes FoMoCo think they can sell exciting cars through Mercury when the steadfastly refuse to kill of the Marquis and continue to sell them as the volume product next to Lincolns?

    I agree that Ford should sell the bread and butter sedans. I think Mazda is their performance niche brand, if nothing other than to separate it from Ford products in segments where they go head-to-head.

    What is missing in the FoMoCo stable is a move-up product. No matter how hard they try, Fords will never be considered "premium" products. I also think that Mercury, and to a lesser extent Lincoln, will never be more than dressed up Fords.

    For this reason, I think acquiring Volvo was a key move for FoMoCo. It has its own ID, and is seen as a true step up from Fords in the market and can create a bridge to the other PAG brands at the top of the range.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 8,062
    Who needs the 4.6L V8 when the Jaguar AJV8 from the LS, Tbird and Jag S-type can be had anywhere from a non-VVT 3.9L 252 hp version up to the Jag's VVT 300 hp 4.2L version? And Jag has already added a blower to get up to 388 hp.
  • ehaaseehaase Posts: 328
    Automotive News will report on 4/29 that Mercury will not get the Mondeo because Ford has overcapacity in its U.S. plants. In addition, importing the Mondeo would anger the UAW. Future Mercurys will use Ford and Mazda platforms.

    The Car Connection has reported that the Lincoln LS may get a new 5.0L 32 valve V8 (based upon the current 4.6L V8) with 400 hp by 2004 to compete with the 400 hp Cadillac CTSi.

    The Ford 500 may look like a Passat, but it will be a substantially larger car.
  • ehaase, but they reported just a few weeks ago that they would get the Mondeo?!
  • jsylvesterjsylvester Posts: 572
    I know Ford is trying to make Mercury more a competitor of European cars, but Mercury is a competitor of Buick.

    The Gran Marquis is Mercury's bread and butter car. It sells well, is highly profitable, and it's owners are amoung the most loyal of any model.

    As a matter of fact, I'm trying to get my elderly parents to look at one. They are both depression era people, and they think Mercury's are overpriced cars for status concious people, and the Gran Marquis too exorbitant.

    Hard to find a Crown Vic.
  • regfootballregfootball Posts: 2,166
    that the unions would have the influence to keep a product that is better like the Mondeo from being sold here.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 8,062
    Word has it that since Ford bought Jag, Aston-Martin, Land Rover and Volvo the Detroit executives can now choose those as company cars, so there are a lot of them in the parking lot now. The UAW is making a stink about it - not because they're made by non-union workers, though. In fact, the workers are union, just not UAW. So all the UAW seems to care about is the UAW, not whether workers are treated fairly.

    Interestingly the UAW complains about people buying US built Honda Accords and Toyota Camrys because the profits go back to Japan. Last time I checked the profits from all those European PAG brands goes to Detroit, but I guess that doesn't matter.
  • regfootballregfootball Posts: 2,166
  • Can't they just non-renew UAW contracts and hire fresh blood? Or is that like firing the whole city of Lansing and rehiring Kalamazoo?
  • jsylvesterjsylvester Posts: 572
    Hiring replacements is called union-breaking. It would be a hugely dramatic step for any business to take, and normally it is done only as a last step before bankruptcy.

    There are numerous labor laws about this subject, but basically if a union member wants one of the replacement jobs, they have to give it to him.

    It is also a little misleading to say Honda never has lay-offs. I live in Ohio, and Honda hires a lot of temporary employees from employment agencies, mostly for the less skilled jobs. It may be true that "Honda" employees don't get laid off, but they do have lay-offs, only of the temp workers.

    The lack of a union gives employers much more flexibility. The presence of the UAW keeps the transplant companies on their best behavior. The threat of a union is enough to keep from treating their employees like crap.
  • kw_carmankw_carman Posts: 114
    Is it possible to raise the dead? Look at the date of the last post!

    BTW, how 'bout a Ford 500 SHO? I sorta like the sound of that!

    I will miss the Taurus, because I like the name. "Taurus" just does something to me, and I like to hear it said...okay, everyne can stop giving me strange looks as if I have something wrong with me.
  • verozahlverozahl Posts: 574
    blue Taurus SES looks nice. I wonder if they will do a Five Hundred SES?
  • jsylvesterjsylvester Posts: 572
    Taurus has a new sport edition option on the SES for the spring. Nice bucket seats, etc., and eligible for the killer rebates.

    Don't know about the 500. The styling does nothing for me. If I wanted a European car, why buy a copy?
  • tomcat630tomcat630 Posts: 854
    The 'SES' tag is kind of ruined now that fleets buy loads of them. I saw pricing for a "fleet SES" and there are alot of 2001 SES's for resale.

    Anyway, hopefully this new 500 will be more desirable, if not they are going to end up losing.
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    Update: Here's a link to some camouflaged spy pics of the 500. You can pretty much see the overall shape, size, if you stare into the bumper's you could sort of see the grill, and the rear light placements. 8&n=158

    Source: The Car Connection SpyPics: Brenda Priddy
  • libertycatlibertycat Posts: 593
    I prefer Ford interiors to Honda interiors myself. Fords are prettier, more convenient, and more comfortable.
  • libertycatlibertycat Posts: 593
    Once again, I think what you say is crazy. Ford will not want to remind people of the Taurus and will find new names for trim levels. The SES is nothing special, just a middle trim level above the LX and SE and below the luxurious SEL.
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    Let's analyze the styling of the 500, and see (as opposed to the sketch) how acurate it was.

    Here we have the spy pics from taken by Brenda Priddy. 8&n=158

    And the original sketch released over a year ago, courtesy of VEHICLE/2004/Ford/100076355/003847-E.jpg

    On the side profiles, you can tell the overall curves were as seen on the sketch. Also the grab type handles, and side mirrors are exactly as the sketch indicated. The only part the differs is the rear seat side windows, where the sketch shows a more raked window cut out, and the spy pic shows it's more upright. The 3rd side-light obviously camouflaged.

    The front, you see the grill and headlight are pretty much as the sketch indicated. And if you see clearly, the under chin spoiler cut outs creases can be imagined through the covering.

    From the rear spy pic, you can also see through the camouflaging, the crease of the rear tail-light. It's very Mondeo like, or M-B like, diagnoal to front bottom type.

    I would say the sketch was very dead on and very accurate. Too bad the same can't be said for the Montego, but that's another topic...
  • libertycatlibertycat Posts: 593
    HOST, can u move this since there is so much conversation on this already?
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    Move it where? It's the only Ford 500 forum, I just had to have this re-opened since it was a Read-Only forum for awhile.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    I'm going to ask Kirstie to link it to Future Vehicles so you can find it on both boards.
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    Let me throw a random question out so I can gauge some viewpoints. Given what you now know, or have heard about, the Five-Hundred. What vehicles do you believe will be it's prime competitors?
  • tomcat630tomcat630 Posts: 854
    Impala, Avalon, Maxima, Bonneville, and Chrysler's LX cars.
  • libertycatlibertycat Posts: 593
    The competitors will be as u mentioned: Avalon, Maxima, Impala, Bonneville, Charger. Also I would add:LeSabre and Diamante.
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