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Ford Five Hundred/Mercury Montego

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  • a_l_hubcapsa_l_hubcaps Posts: 518
    I don't know if Maxima is a direct competitor for this thing. Keep in mind the Maxima has moved upmarket -- the days (not too long ago!) when a base Maxima stickered for $22K are gone. Maybe the loaded 500 will overlap the base Maxima, but the 500 is more likely to compete with the Chevy Impala, Buick LeSabre, Toyota Avalon, VW Passat and Chrysler 300, vehicles that are both less expensive and less performance oriented than the current Maxima.

    -Andrew L
  • vcjumpervcjumper Posts: 1,110
    are they not in the same price range as the Max?
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    Yes true, but there's other factors, than just price when an automaker directs it into the market place. Factors such as demographics, type of drivers, age groups, drivability are important to look at. Ford stated publically, the Avalon is it's MAIN competitor. Although as mentioned above, you can throw in some vehicle, such as the current Chrysler LX sedans. Would be the next example.

    The Maxima has a sportier nature, not exactly what the 500 itself will be, although the price range is the same. The buyers on the other hands, differ a bit.
  • a_l_hubcapsa_l_hubcaps Posts: 518
    The 2004 Maxima has a sticker price in the $28-35K range while the LeSabre starts around $25K and then gets hit with rebates. The Avalon is a little higher, but the Max is higher than both.

    -Andrew L
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Some people on the Lincoln LS board would like sales figures on the LS since 2000. I'm betting you know? Can ya help us?
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    Link me if you can, there's quite a bit of those LS boards that I saw....
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    nvbanker is referring to this one: Lincoln LS
  • vcjumpervcjumper Posts: 1,110
    when I check a canadian site, the Avalon XLS is 45K and the Maxima models run from 34.5 for SE cloth 5 seat to 42.9 for SL with Nav.
  • a_l_hubcapsa_l_hubcaps Posts: 518
    vcjumper-

    Are you sure you are looking at the 2004 Maxima and not the 2003? There is a big difference. Edmunds shows base MSRP for 2004 Maxima at $27,490 and base MSRP for 2003 Avalon at $26,430, both including destination.

    -Andrew L
  • tecman4tecman4 Posts: 1
    It says 2004 ford 500,
    But I've called my local dealership and they never heard of a 500.
    Does anyone know when this car is coming out?
  • a_l_hubcapsa_l_hubcaps Posts: 518
    tecman4-

    I believe it is a 2005 model, not 2004. So it will come out sometime during calendar year 2004.

    -Andrew L
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    I do not believe the Montego version will be available for Cananda. But let me question this, your local Ford dealership had NO idea what the Five-Hundred was? As in, they didn't have that much detail, or they just had no idea such a vehicle was being introduced by Ford??
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    That's scary....
  • tomcat630tomcat630 Posts: 854
    Dealers play "no nothing" on future models, so that they can sell what they got now. But also, they usually don't know that much to begin with.
  • libertycatlibertycat Posts: 593
    especially with the first comment.
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    Yes, "know nothing" is common, but if a dealer can't be honest with me, I personally would not stick around. BUT if that's not the issue, and they SERIOUSLY do not, or have not heard of the 500, I'm on that phone ASAP finding out why. Or get me the contact information, possible email as well so I can reach them.
  • tomcat630tomcat630 Posts: 854
    Another thing with dealers, most salesmen are not into cars, it's just selling appliances. They couldn't care less about future models, manual transmissions, and driving characterisitics. Only thing is money, money, and money.

    Ones that are into cars only care about flashiness, 0-60, and a smooth ride
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Not bad looking, ANT, thanks. Looks solidly Ford, but thoroughly up to date. Tall stance, I presume?
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    Yes, tall stance, sort of masculine looking you might say.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    The boys and I agree.....
  • f111df111d Posts: 114
    Ford Motor Company and Chrysler going out of business in the near future. Ford can't seem to make money and Daimler drops their ball and chain.
    Honda plants in Ohio moving to Mexico.
    US goes to war with China and since all manufacturing is now in China, we lose.
  • bowke28bowke28 Posts: 2,185
    from what sources?!?! ford had their best years the last 2. chrysler has daimler to help them along, and honda already has a plant in mexico, but keeping the ohio plant. geez!!
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Oops, I don't think Daimler is helping Chrysler along at all. The long term JD POwer test for 3 year old cars showed Mercedes at the dead bottom, dragging DC's composite rating into the sewer..... I think Daimler is raping and pillaging Chrysler....
  • Ford has finally relized they can't design a FWD transmission and have switched to RWD! Yay! I like RWD, it tends to be more reliable. I say this having worked on Ford's since the early 80's, although I stopped last year. They can't design a good FWD transmission. The Fairmont was a wonderful car, I had one for 2 years, I would've had it longer if it was an Automatic with the I-6. When I did replace, it was with an '82 Granada, a more refined version of the same car, which I had until '94. When they replaced it with the Tempo, it went downhill. We got our first one at our dealership and it's trans failed after 15 miles! The Contour is the biggest hunk of junk made by Ford, ever! The Escorts too, were bad at first, and only OK later. The Taurus is still crappy, thank god they're getting rid of it. The Ford LTD was much better. GM can make a good FWD transmission, Ford can't make one for their own sake. People, performance is great, and I like a well powered car, but quality is the most important thing in a car.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    On the whole, I would agree that the Ford FWD transmissions of the 80's don't hold up generally as long as some other competitors, (but not Chrysler). OTOH, my partner's 91 Oldsmobile had an engine fail and lock up in the first 6,000 miles of use too - that wasn't impressive. It can happen to anybody. They're machines, as you well know. It's a miracle they work at all.

    I too prefer RWD for the handling advantages and precision.
  • Okay, somebody out there no doubt knows.

    When is job 1?

    When can we expect to see the car at dealers in the USA and Canada? Is the vehicle even going to be sold in Canada?

    And what does this thing mean to the long term viability of the civilian Crown Vic?
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    No Job 1 date yet as been specified, that is still being worked out. Supplier's all need to concord and finalize their "JOB 1" dates as well, and while the vehicle is receiving some last minute details, it might alter Job 1 date. Look round of Auto Shows where Ford will make a formal unveiling and annoucement.

    The Crown Vic will be mostly pushed as fleet sales such as livery/rentals/police/taxis' etc. This is in NO means a vehicle to replace the Crown Vic since it's Body On Frame, RWD, and V8. The 500 is a vehicle to complement those who wish for a large FWD/AWD sedan, unibody, with V6 engines. And a vehicle that will be geared towards consumers, hence, they will not saturate the market (such as the Taurus), nor will the depreciation be as being this will not be such of a high volume product.

    The 500/Freestyle/Montego will be built in a new assembly line that can easily switch from one vehicle production, to another. If there's more demand for the Freestyle, then more can easily be built. What this allows it to build JUST enough vehicles for consumer's demand, without having the need of pushing them onto consumer's with heavy discounts, that at the end can lower the depreciation of the vehicle. In this method, they can build what the market needs more of, while keeping the same worker's working.

    The only worse case senario to this might be ALL 3 vehicles not meeting ANY of their sales targets and having to push them unto consumer's to keep the factories and worker's working, but that's highly unlikely.
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    Nvbanker, Ironically just this past weekend, I met with someone (friend of a relative)who was interested in my work and asked numerous questions. He had this major Anti-RWD speech, using examples of "When horses pull a carriage", which my reverting of "I don't like being pulled, makes me want to throw up, Trucks luxury cars, sports cars are RWD, let that be a clue", then his "but it's so efficient" to my "maybe years ago, not anymore with advanced techonology"... Which moved into "I don't see how someone in your line of work would be seen in something as common as a Ford" to my "at least It goes to an american company and prefer not to drive an appliance and rather, something that actually is FUN and entertaining to drive".

    All the while his wife looking back and forth at us, while my relative was raising her eyes at me in a clue-ish way of saying "be nice". While no one convinced one or the other, point was gained for me stating their were "choices" and there's a bit for everyone in this market depending what their needs are. While there's many vehicles I would recommend to others for their attributes, many of those I wouldn't drive myself because it just simply doesn't fit me. And FWD just happens to be one of them.

    Funny part, was he (from what we spoke earlier, waayyyy before the automobile conversation) expected me to drive an Audi, he perceived me as being unique without following the crowd. I told him I was actually educated, well enough to know their reliability (along with VW) was a joke.

    Luckily dinner was soon served.....
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Lucky indeed, ANT! I hearken back to 1992, when I had my Continental (a FWD car I actually sort of liked), and my best friend had a Cadillac DeVille, (also FWD). He thought FWD was just the finest invention since the clock! My Conti had a 3.8L six, his Caddy had a 4.1L eight, and the worst engine GM ever made, BTW. So one day, we had to do it. We raced from a stop-and I blew his doors off all the way with my 6! It was a great day! He became a convert. He drives Lincolns today. Oh, and we both prefer RWD. So sometimes, you can actually convince someone.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    After a period of inactivity, this discussion automatically archived itself recently. Upon request I've reopened it.

    Enjoy!
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