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Ford Five Hundred/Mercury Montego



  • I have Mach audio system and even though sound is clean, still is not outstanding. Sound is flat and not authentic.
  • fdcapt2fdcapt2 Posts: 122
    Any specs available for this system, or how I might contact someone to find out??
  • fsmmcsifsmmcsi Posts: 792
    Automotive news today (9/7) has a story about a delay in shipping the Five Hundred / Montego / Freestyle. Does anyone know the reason for the delay?

    The same issue also has two stories about the 4.4 liter, 315HP Yamaha V8 to be used in the Volvo XC90 next year. If it fits in the XC90, it should also fit into the S80, Five Hundred, and all of the other vehicles built on that platform, including the rumored new Town Car.
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    Yes it fits, just requires some minimal changes.
  • In a news release last week, Ford announced Production cutbacks due to reduced demand. There were no details on models impacted or new product introductions.

    A story released today by Ford claims the Five hundred will be in showrooms this month..

    Did the story in Automotive news "Ford delays shipment of 3 new vehicles" provide any details on the introduction dates to showrooms?
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    The delayed vehicles are 4.6L and 5.4L, Navy, Expy, Mustang GT, F-series. The cylinder heads supplied aren't good enough. And only a few number of vehicles are affected, if anything....Problem very little even made it to consumers.
  • Does anybody else find it odd that you can only get the CVT in the 500 with AWD, but Audi says it isn't compatible with its quattro?

    Add isn't it odd that only a few years after the debut of their CVT, Audi has let it wither on only a few slow-selling models in favor of the DSG?

    I wonder about durability problems.
  • nedc2nedc2 Posts: 192
    It's the standard transmission on the Se, as well as the Montego Luxury, and Freestyle, with either FWD or AWD

    Audi offers their Multitronic CVT on the A4, A6, And A8 inEurope, I wouldn't call that being left to wither. I'd recently read that they were hoping to increase production on the Multitronic. In theory the CVT should be cheaper than a conventional automatic because they have fewer moving parts, in practice this seems to be offset by higher tolerances and the need for very exacting assembly in clean-room conditions. As for DSGs they have advantage in higher performance applications, you woudn't want a CVT in an S4, but they're rather pricey. I don't know why the Multitronic can't be paired with the Quattro system, Nissan of course uses a CVT with AWD in its Murano.
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    "Does anybody else find it odd that you can only get the CVT in the 500 with AWD, but Audi says it isn't compatible with its quattro?"

    Audi has different availability on certain models in certain countries. Maybe their market research has shown that their buyer's might not be as interested in such an item in their Audi here in the U.S.

    Although, the only thing in common with the Ford CVT and Audi CVT is the chain.
  • There are very few stock radios (even upgraded ones) that can match custom installs, as most high power audio systems have built in amps. These may post high power numbers, but pale in quality to a seperate amplifier with "honest" watts in terms of power and clarity. When it comes the the upgraded stereo, maybe you should consider replacing the stock speakers, or adding a seperate subwoofer and amp to the stock head unit.

    In regards to the integrated look of the 500 radio (or lack thereof), I checked out Fords site on the 500, and with a black interior (and black dash trim/leather), the black radio and a/c controls stick out less. Unfortunately, I prefer creme or pebble colors (hate sitting on black leather sitting in the sun for 8 hours!).

    The 500 is looking more and more appealing to me, even though I would prefer the freestyle's versitility (but don't like the exterior compared to the 500). The freestyle (or style-free, as most other auto forums are referring it as), it just too truck-like inside and out (compared to something like the magnum). I'll still have the reliability worries from owning past fords (my wife will never approve of this purchase - it's her taurus sitting in the driveway!).

  • mschmalmschmal Posts: 1,757
    Tuesday I was disappointed to learn that the first five hundred's aren't scheduled to arrive at my dealership until 9/20!!.

    The dealer locate tool indicates that a few dealers (like 3 out of the nearest 300 to my dealership) have 1 or 2 in stock.

    Ford is just calling it Audiophile details on the sound systems are:

    Standard Radio (SE)
      AM/FM Stereo/Single-disc CD Player
      80 watts of power
      4-speaker base audio system
      Scan for all tuner modes and CD
      Mute for quick mute/un-mute of audio
      10-minute operation with ignition turned off
      Speed Compensate Volume (SCV) — compensates for changing ambient noise levels by adjusting the volume of the radio according to the vehicle's speed signal. Allows 7 volume adjustment levels. Adjustable though the menu
      Autoset (AST) — automatically locates the 6 strongest AM or FM station signals
      Station Memory Presets — 12 FM, 6 AM, 12 FM (AST), 6 AM (AST)
      Radio Data System (RDS)
      Compression — when enabled during CD mode, the audio dynamic range is compressed so quieter music is boosted and louder music is lowered to compensate for ambient noise level
      Repeat — when enabled during CD mode, the audio system will play the selected track continuously until repeat is exited
      Shuffle — plays tracks in random order
    The SEL radio is upgraded as follows:
    AM/FM Stereo/6-disc In-dash CD/MP3 Player
      Includes features of AM/FM stereo/single-disc CD player plus:
      Folder/track mode — when enabled, the audio system will play and seek through disc tracks with or without folder option (available with MP3 discs only)
    The best radio on the Limited upgrades as follows:
      Audiophile AM/FM Stereo/6-disc In-dash CD/MP3 Player.
      Includes features of AM/FM stereo/6-disc in-dash CD/MP3 player plus:
      8-speaker Audiophile audio system with additional external 2-channel 90-watt amplifier
      Occupancy setting — allows for one of three vehicle acoustic settings to be chosen

    It was Jacque Nasser's stupid idea to have a different radio for each line of vehicles. At least with the current radio. If you own 2 Fords, (not uncommon) You don't have to learn how to work 2 different radios.

    As for the "small buttons" SEL and Limited have repeat audio controls for volume, station, and media on the steering wheel.

    About the CVT, I was told at the ride and drive that the 6speed exists only to fill the gap left by the limited CVT production capacity

    I thought the CVT drove much smoother than the 6speed especially when pushed.

  • OK, so I was day-dreaming a little and was pricing out some 500's with options I like. What I got is the following (edmunds TMV, not MSRP).

    A SEL with leather and safety package comes out to about $24,070. A Limited (which includes leather) and safety package comes out to $25,080.

    So for an add'l $1010.00, you get an upgraded radio, 18" rims and a clock (I assume the leather upgrade in the seats includes the power adjustment - does it also include the seat memory feature?).

    Now I can always upgrade the head unit and speakers. I would rather do without the 18" tires (I put on lots of miles - 18 inch shoes will break the bank, and they wear faster). And the clock is a nice touch - what are the chances of modding the SEL by swapping out the trim piece with one with the clock? I'm sure the SEL is wired for the clock light.

    Does anyone think the extra grand is worth the tire size and radio upgrade? According to a post above the radio upgrade is an additional 90W amp...not much in terms of power to be called "upgraded".

    Any thoughts?

  • fdcapt2fdcapt2 Posts: 122
    Thanks for the info on the sound system. The next question is what does the upgrade do as far as improving sound? You said something about a dual channel with 8 speakers and a 90 watt external amplifier. Please, someone, explain it to me. Also if I'm not mistaken, wasn't there some kind of sub-woofer? I'm not very electronically intelligent, so please spell it out for me......thanks very much. The other 2 models and one of the Montego models have less speakers and less wattage. I'm trying to compare the Audiophile system to my Bose system, to see how much, if any, I'll be losing.
  • A two channel 90w amp is a device that pumps out 45w to each channel (speaker).

    So this channel can drive say 4 speakers (which are added to the base system system of 4). It would send 22.5w to each speaker.

    This is a basic explaination.

  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    I wouldn't worry so much about actual numbers. Some systems could have high wattage output, yet fail on certain levels. And some you can just upgrade a few speaker's and improve everything, 5 times over.

    It won't be as powerful as the Mach1000 system either.
  • fdcapt2fdcapt2 Posts: 122
    I appreciate the help some of you have given me concerning the sound system on the 500/Montego. If I decide to upgrade the system once I get the car, does my changing certain parts of the car void the warranty? I guess with the power the Audiophile system has, I won't be too disappointed. Does the fact there is a sub-woofer and 8 speakers cause the total to be divided 8 times?? and would that take away from the whole system??
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Adding aftermarket electronics won't void the warranty, however, they frequently do cause problems with related and unrelated electronics on the car, which sometimes the dealers are reluctant to attempt to repair, or cover. Personally, I don't do it. My cars come with great systems, I buy the best ones available, and leave it at that. Sure, there are more powerful systems available, but frankly, they're overkill to me. Besides, talk radio sounds fine on about any of them. :)
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    Depending on the vehicle, I've always upgraded the Amps, added amps, maybe subwoofer, or maybe better speaker's. Nothing that anyone could even see with the naked eye. I find aftermarket head units quite tacky considering the lighting, buttons, script are altogether different than anything in the vehicle, and just reminds me of the overcooked system found in ghettofied cars.

    I've been lucky the last few car buys and now with the new THX system on my LS where I haven't had to do anything to it. Ford has been improving their radio offerings lately.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    I agree, ANT, I've found Ford Stereos to be outstanding in my luxury cars. I always insist on the Audiophile options, and have never been disappointed.
    The Alpine in my 99 Navigator was great. But, I am 50, and losing my extreme hearing range too, so this is something my son and I disagree upon. I agree with you as well, that the aftermarket head units are an abomination to me. What a way to mess up a great looking dash! Can you imagine one of those Sony equalizing, flipping over skinny units in my Navigator with that awesome dash?
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    Specially now in many vehicles, like yours, that displays the head unit, up high for all to see. It's a focal point.
  • I intend to install Sirius (why it is STILL not a factory option on Ford is beyond me). Does anyone know if there is a handy AUX IN? Or if at least dealer installs of FOMOCO approved satellite radio will be available?
  • Upgrading a factory sound system can often times be more difficult that it might first appear. Most cars come from the factory with cheap speakers that are specially made to fit in the car.

    For example, say your car has 6 1/2" in speakers in the front doors. Most of the time you can't just go out and replace them with any 6 1/2" speakers you happen to like -- many of the better speakers are thicker than what will fit in the factory bezels, which are usually molded into the door panels.

    Crutchfield publishes data on popular cars and the speakers they sell, but it usually takes 6 to 12 months for a new car model to make it into their database.
  • There is only a $400 price difference between the FWD Five Hundred Limited ($26,795) and the FWD Montego Premier ($27,195). The Mercury comes standard with power adjustable pedals (a $175 option on the Ford) and Homelink ($115 extra on the Ford), so it comes down to $110 for high-intensity discharge headlights on the Mercury. What a deal!

    There are some other differences listed on the standard equipment pages, but I think these are errors (and omissions) on the part of Edmunds.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    You can report this. When you are on the page where you find problems, click on the Help link at the very top (or very bottom) of the page. From there you go to the Contact Us tab and fire away. :)

    (Actually you can get to that Help link from any page, including this one. But it's easier to accurately report the error if you are right there on the page with the problem.)
  • mschmalmschmal Posts: 1,757
    Merc is 4yr 50k miles on the bumper to bumper, Ford is 3yr 36k miles.

  • That the ford site now allows you to build and price the 500? Did I miss something or is this new?

    Also, priced out a fully loaded AWD limited...
    2005 Five Hundred Limited
    Base Vehicle: $27,845.00
    Dk Shadow Grey Met - Ext.
    Pebble - Int.
    Optional Features: $2,030.00
    Destination: $650.00
    Total MSRP: $30,525.00

    OUCH! About twice the price of a Taurus! Granted, the Taurus is steeply discounted and no where near the features, but still. Many people will cross shop the two.

  • fsmmcsifsmmcsi Posts: 792
    Greg C - Huh? A loaded Taurus SEL with options 96P, 53P, 13B, 916, 54H, and 97P comes to $27,445. How is a fully loaded Five Hundred Limited at $30,525 "twice" the price of a Taurus? The extra $3,080 buys a modern design which handles better, stops better, is safer, is much larger in the back seat and trunk, and has AWD. If you delete the AWD, the price difference is only $1,380. The fully loaded Montego Premier at $30,635 also includes HID headlights, LED taillights, and a two-tone interior with perforated seats.
  • While it appears the Five Hundred is heading to Ford showrooms this month, I've seen nothing about the Montego. Anyone know when it is due?
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    Both around the same time.
  • I currently own a taurus (2000 SEL), and no, what you pay for one is far less than $27K. It's not a fair comparison, as one car is below invoice, and the other hasn't even hit showrooms (and most likely won't deal until they lose popularity).

    It's still a big difference going from $22K base for an SEL to 27K base for a limited. Not as much as I first figured, I stand corrected. But the $30K mark puts it in a new category cars like the maxima.

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