I believe the discrepancy is due to the new SAE rating for HPs which may have been adopted by Lexus, but not by many other auto makers. By the old ratings, the IS250 may well be *about* 220HP, while the IS350 may well be *about* 315HP. The Canadian version is rated at 310HP, while the Japan version is rated at 315HP. Throw in emission ratings in the US that would further lower these ratings....
"I believe the discrepancy is due to the new SAE rating for HPs...the IS250 may well be *about* 220HP...Throw in emission ratings in the US..."
This could be it - the "new" SAE ratings look to hit hp by maybe 5-7% - I haven't studied them. That would make an old 220 be a new 205-209 - pretty close to the 204 Lexus has officially released.
If it's a re-ratings issue, would that mean that the new 204 performs like an old 220? I would think that it did, and then I would be a happy man, with checkbook in hand.
There's gonna be lots of discussions of pre MY06 HP ratings. The HP number is still only a number - the test is real world driving feel and actual street numbers.
Hey guys, I wanted to let you guys know that I've been let down by the '06 IS and Lexus. 1) I want my high HP engine with a manual. 2) Have you seen the colors on the new IS? Are any really that exciting or sporty? I'd say no. 3) We will (or at least some of us; more on that in a minute) have to wait until a test drive for sure but so far the word is the manual on the IS250 anything but class leading. 4) Surprisingly, the service I've got from my local dealership has been anything but top notch. They damaged my front right rim recently and then didn't tell me. But to be fair, have since fixed it. I want my cake and to eat it too. I can already tell the new IS won't let me. At the very least, not out of the gate. My lease is up in September and I've ordered a 330i MANUAL. After driving one, it was the way for me to go. I hope the new IS is what you guys want it to be but for me it isn't. Can't please 100% of the people, 100% of the time!
Bringing in a tape recorder and being confrontational with the dealer is not the best way to get results. It is true that Toyota and Lexus have made things a little difficult by making some equipment optional, but then not building the cars that way. I would be very surprised if you could get the ML stereo without the nav, for example. But going in to your favorite Lexus dealer with a hidden tape recorder thinking your going to sue them if you cant order your car the way you built it on the internet is a self fulfilling prophecy- you are going to have a bad dealership experience.
im sorry although some of your arguments are reasonable and even agreeable some of them are just jokes. i agree with arguments 1, and i see what your saying wit 4, while 3 i like that you admitted that you should wait for a test drive, but id never go by others words on how well the transmiossion of a car is, i find that argument of goign for the 3 barely there, while your second one on the colors not being sporty is a complete joke. im sorry but if colors not being sporty.... i mean i understand you haev to like the color of the car, but most of the colors offered are definitely inoffensive and good looking. i mean if you want your car to have a sporty color then im sorry but i just think that argument is a complete excuse to have made you not place an order ont he lexus. overall though i feel the 330i with the manual was a great choice, and considering lexus doesnt offer one with 350 its tough to compare the two when there are different transmissions, i just feel soem of your arguments as to not looking into the is a bit more are more excuses to keep makign you think that you made the better choice (which you may well have but only time will tell)
Hi chaz318, we're not "arguing" here - each person is just giving his or her opinion. As is3ooguy said, you just can't please 100% of the people 100% of the time. Let's just leave it at that.
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Some of the pictures have side marker lights (or blinkers) near the side mirrors others don't. This is even true on the Lexus website. Would be nice to know for sure if these were going to be standard. I have them on my A4 and have come to truely appriciate them.
Oh, please, I was being rhetorical ! [But considering some of the outrageous stuff that gets posted on these boards, I guess you can be forgiven for taking it literally....]
My personal demeanor in a car dealership revolves around the idea that the relationship should be based on mutual respect. I have never been treated with anything but politeness and respect by anybody on an upscale lot - Mercedes, BMW, Acura, Lexus. I ALWAYS return the favor.
The point I was making, and apparently TOO pointedly for you, is that even with all that politeness and respect, there is an edge underneath that makes it very clear that the customer is NOT the focus of every transaction. If that were true, I could without hesitation order any car with a standard refundable deposit and expect delivery within a reasonable time, say 60-90 days. Instead, on at least three occasions, even with a good profit margin built into the price, I've been told by one BMW guy and two Lexus dealers that they just didn't want to be bothered. Now, of course, the actual wording was couched in terms that were designed not to offend, but the last time this happened [at one of the local BMW dealers] it was hard not to be offended. I kept my temper, and may yet do business there, but it reminded me of similar conversations I had with two Lexus dealers when the current gen IS was first released. I wanted the car a certain way, Toyota Corporate through their advertising said I should be able to have it that way, and the dealers were clearly VERY reluctant to do that. In effect, they POLITELY made it clear that the deposit would be much higher [double or triple] and that it would be non-refundable, and they still didn't know if they could do it.
Thanks for the advice, but having purchased 50+ new cars in the past 40+ years, I think I'm pretty good at judging what works. Confrontation is never the way to go. What I was doing is using this forum to make a point, and vent a little in the process.
To wrap up the point, when the current [W203] MB C-class was first announced, I was impressed enough with what I saw and read to order one the way I wanted it 5 months in advance of the first cars being shipped. And it was anything but what the dealers call "standard" - no sunroof, no extras except metallic paint - no extra sound, seating surfaces, wings, butlers, nothing. The required deposit? Zero. No $ on the table. By the time the car had arrived, I had to cancel because already the evidence was in from Germany that the early cars were having significant problems - more than I wanted to handle. No problem, says my guy, just be sure to give us the business if you change your mind. 18 months later I got our current car [a late production '02 C240] from them on what was a pretty darned thin deal, and they gave me great service as well before we moved to our current home in Vancouver WA. I never stop recommending them to people in MBCA who ask.
I understand what your saying.... and there might be some truth in it. I really wanted the new IS and part of me is still a bit torn having decided to go the other way. I also might not have expressed myself clearly enough with the 'sporty color' thing. Here's a better shot... I'm still *kinda* young at 29. I want a sporty looking car. For reference my favorite colors on the current IS were the bright red and solar yellow (as unpopular as that might be) I like something that stands out and IMHO looks sporty. The colors above are nice yes but don't enhance the sporty nature of the car that's already baked in (again IMHO only, to each there own) Finally, I ordered an electric red 330i because it made the car stand out, look sporty to my eyes. I don't see any of those colors doing the same thing for the new IS. Maybe the red a bit but it still doesn't pull it off for me. How about you guys, any of those colors above scream gotta have that paint job to you? I hope that clears the point up a bit.
Color is certainly important, but from the color palette released for the new IS, it appears Lexus is going the conservative route in order to broaden the market for the car. I'd like to see edgy colors offered as well... a solar yellow would be fun, ditto an electric blue. Maybe if enough people complain about the lack of "sporty-colors", Lexus may put it in next year.
Perhaps the color selections were driven by sales data? How many cars are actually sold in Solar Yellow per year? Surely not at many as Red, Black or White. Trust me, I like a bright a@# yellow sportster the same as the next guy, but they generally don't do very well on re-sale. Cars that are left on the lot are a waste. Dealers have a hard time getting rid of them.
Plus how does that Solar Yellow paint look in 3 or 4 year? Not so Solar anymore
Lexus is smart to tone down some of the color selections this time around. If you check out the GS color choices they are pretty nice, while still maintaining a good balance.
Maybe next year they'll offer some more vibrant choices. Maybe they're holding off for the coupe / convertable.
The point I was making, and apparently TOO pointedly for you, is that even with all that politeness and respect, there is an edge underneath that makes it very clear that the customer is NOT the focus of every transaction. If that were true, I could without hesitation order any car with a standard refundable deposit and expect delivery within a reasonable time, say 60-90 days
Unfortunately, what you can and cannot order is the decision of the factory and distributor, not the dealer. It's probably not that they don't want to be bothered, it's that a stripped ot IS 350 with a ML stereo and no nav, for example may not be available from the distributor, though the factory lists it as being available. All dealers want to take an order, but on a car that will actually appear, not an imaginary one. Taking a deposit is part of doing business, taking the car off the market so that it cant be sold to someone else who WILL leave some money, especially on a limited edition vehicle.
I know this is not the place for this discussion, Mods, sorry.
....both reviews seem very positive/they are very impressed!
(e.g. (MPH quotes) "...looks hot." "The interior is class-leading..." "...the IS350 is a blast." "...mix of technology and spirit, defining Japanese carmaking at its best."
....in Automobile and C & D. As usual, the IS250 is barely mentioned, the poor stepchild with "only" 200 hp and apparently a pricetag that begins around $30k. It's still the only car I'm interested in, but don't expect any of the hotshot magazines [I subscribe to them all] to tell me anything in advance.
Lakeside: I know how the business works, and I know about Toyota's habit of restricting option choices and packaging cars. And I know about the business justification for deposits. I was trying to illustrate how thinking outside the box wins you customers. Sigh. You're right, we'll leave this alone. I'm looking for the Lexus dealer willing to go the extra mile - I know there are others out there who will - I've bought cars from them.
The 2006 Lexus IS250 seems to have less horsepower but that is because of Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE) Horsepower. I think most vehicles to be sold after a year change would have new numbers for horsepower. http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=384913: shows new horsepower rating for their Acuras and most hav lower numbers. I think it is nothing to worry about when u see the IS having less power.
An article on my.IS is raising the question. (link title) This seems good news because it points out this issue about horsepower. So far General Motors, Honda and Toyota have revised their official horsepower ratings so they may seem to have less horsepower when it is just the same. General Motors, Honda and Toyota new horsepower ratings are for 2006 models and they did not make the engines weaker but applied the new standards made by the SAE
With the new ratings for the 06 MY, the IS250 will still have one of the weakest HP numbers. It's main aim - the BMW 325 will have 215. The TSX 205HP, MB C230 201HP A4 200HP while all the others are much higher (i.e.G35, TL, CTS).
For all those people putting deposits, are you paying sticker price? Or will you negiotiate and then apply the deposit? I've been trying to deal with the infinity dealers for the G35 coupe 6MT, but they're jerks so I'm going to go w/ Lexus IS. I anxiously waiting for the pricing for the IS350. From the forums, it looks like this one will probably be > 40K out the door
Anyone done some comparisons between G35 and 06 IS?
Just a heads up to anyone interested. I just got off the phone with my local dealer and after sending a few calls out to Lexus corporate he got me the release dates. He said the vehicle's should be on the lot to sell on 16 Oct. Now I'm sure nothing is set in stone but at least it's a date. And he also said last week of Aug dealerships should have their initial inventory list. So get your money in and claim your car. Has anyone else heard otherwise on dates? I think this should be a good one, it took him 3 days to ge the answer.
I thought I was going with black for the exterior and black interior but I just came from the dealership and happened to notice an AWD 300 on the showroom floor in crystal white with the cashmere leather and birdseye wood and wow did that thing say "LUXURY" It was gorgeous, I couldn't tell if crystal white had a pearl coat to it or just a very elegant looking white other than standard chevy cavalier white does anyone know if it is a special mix of white or just a plain white that was really shined up nice and won't look as good out on the road? I saw black and like a grey (I think) for the interior colors posted previously on here for the IS but didn't notice if there was a cashmere color( camel) for the IS as well. Anyone know all the interior colors? I would think it would be black, grey, cashmere maybe I missed it in a past post. Now I don't know what color I want!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My dealer said he has a meeting at the Regional Lexus Office on August 16th and also mentioned the vehicle's should be on the lot to sell by Oct 16th. They will have an intro party at that time!
My wife got a 2006 GS300 AWD and we went to the intro party back in March. It was very nice.
The IS250 already has the new ratings. General Motors, Honda and Toyota are the only carmakers so far they will apply the new ratings on their 2006 vehicles or are in the process to. BMW wont have 215HPw/ new rating, MB C230 wont have 201 w/ new rating or A4 wont have 200 HP w/ new rating. They will have lower numbers by at least 10HP or more. It is the "net' horsepower. Most vehicles would have 10 less Hp w/ the new ratings. But u can expect the G35, TL (258HP), CTS to have higher HP ratings than the Lexus. This new system will give all new cars for 2006 a lower number for HP even if it is the same engine with the same power because it is the net HP and the power you will get. The SAE new ratings help with loopholes in the old system and give consumers a more accurate number for horsepower.
In my old age, I am more interested in "passing power" than top end, so torque is more important to me than raw HP. Will the torque numbers change, too.
I have a feeling the numbers for A3 and e90 won't change as those cars are 06's so they might have launched with the SAE numbers. Could be wrong...we'll see.
You are wrong. BMW is using BHP rating for decades. 215 (BMW325) & 255 (BMW330) are actually BHPs. HP – theoretical / calculated value; BHP – measured value. That’s the reason why BMW330PP (235bhp) is faster than G35 from 0 to 60.
Canadian BMW website says: BMW330 power (SAE hp @ rpm) 255 @ 6600.
>>> Seems the euro brands moved to SAE for early 2006 releases?
BMW USA did/does not use “BHP” word not to confuse American market which get used to “HP”. Even for earlier BMW models (before 2005) – BMW HP (published by BMW USA) = BHP != American HP. I have noticed it long time ago reading European auto reviews.
150mphclub, I agree with your statement. What car I have to own to get in high speed class?
...stands for brake horsepower, and HOW it's measured is the point, not the difference between the terms "bhp" and "hp" - these two terms are used interchangeably in the business, whether they should be or not.
Anyway, yes, the new SAE standards will be quoted hp numbers for everyone selling in the US for the '06 model year and onward.
Frankly, I have to confess I couldn't care less - either the car feels right when you drive it, with adequate power for merging and passing and everyday use, or it doesn't. The difference between 200 hp and 215 or fill-in-the-blank couldn't matter less to me.
We can only speculate but we won't know for sure what the real horsepower is for every car since only a few car makers have made the revised ratings.
I think bhp ratings is very similar to hp ratings. hp ratings are used in the North America and bhp is used in other countries like England. Its may just be a different way countries name the power of a car. Like some other countries use kW. Kga, u may be right but it is the same engine. The SAE horsepower rating is for the U.S. its a different concept of rating horsepower. All new horsepower ratings for 2006 models in the U.S. should expect a small decline in the rating, but it is the same engine as the 2005 model unless a redesign/refresh, so there is nothing to worry. This new system will not affect performance but gives consumers the net horsepower or what you really get in horsepower and not what is advertised, this helps with loop holes and helps us.
This new SAE system also revises the torque numbers which would be lower by at least 9 lb of torque.
We just have to wait for all car makers to use the new system to compare horsepower.
Yahoo.Auto still uses the old system.
Nobody is wrong because most are speculating because only a few things are official. I think it is good we are questioning things because we all learn.
Well, Toyota's website lists the V6 Camry's torque at 197 lb-ft for 06 which is down from 220 for the MY 05. The 4 cylinder's torque rating is 160 compared to 165 for the 05 model. I guess the torque number is down as well. But the numbers dont always tell the real story.
Tons of new info, reviews, diagrams, etc. out about the car: ground-breaking technology, strong and very viable competition to the 3, "class-leading" interior, newly designed suspension and engine components, etc. etc.
No discussion about anything except HP for how many days? Amazing...
Frankly, I have to confess I couldn't care less - either the car feels right when you drive it, with adequate power for merging and passing and everyday use, or it doesn't. The difference between 200 hp and 215 or fill-in-the-blank couldn't matter less to me.
true! So many variables play into this. A 2500 lbs 06 miata only has 170 hp. A 3300+ lbs IS250 has less than 210 hp. Hmmm, I sure like the power to weight ratio on one of those. Of course tires, gearing, etc all play a role too.
Nice pictures... I'm loving the black... the white and green have sorta grown on me too. The evening shots of the silver are quite nice as well.
Ivory leather is a must. These Winnipeg summers would kill me with black leather! Inside my car (parked in the sun) it was 42 degrees celcius today! HOT!
I am driving myself nuts waiting for my IS350 to arrive. I have a confession: I actually did a drive-by the dealer to see if the truck had arrived. I know - I'm sick! Enough of that.
Does anyone know if one can operate a voicemail system through the bluetooth in the car? For example accessing, deleting and forwarding messages from my voicemail at work?
The Ivory leather does look pretty sharp, but front seat ventilation keeps the seats cool year round. If you haven't driven a car with seat ventilators, it's a must. Once I drove the M35 I was hooked. I didn't even consider it an important feature until that test drive.
I live in Miami and will have my seat ventalators on all of the time.
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This could be it - the "new" SAE ratings look to hit hp by maybe 5-7% - I haven't studied them. That would make an old 220 be a new 205-209 - pretty close to the 204 Lexus has officially released.
If it's a re-ratings issue, would that mean that the new 204 performs like an old 220? I would think that it did, and then I would be a happy man, with checkbook in hand.
Also, did anyone put a deposit down in the NYC area? I'd be interested to find out the dealer and the experience.
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I wanted to let you guys know that I've been let down by the '06 IS and Lexus.
1) I want my high HP engine with a manual.
2) Have you seen the colors on the new IS? Are any really that exciting or sporty? I'd say no.
3) We will (or at least some of us; more on that in a minute) have to wait until a test drive for sure but so far the word is the manual on the IS250 anything but class leading.
4) Surprisingly, the service I've got from my local dealership has been anything but top notch. They damaged my front right rim recently and then didn't tell me. But to be fair, have since fixed it.
I want my cake and to eat it too. I can already tell the new IS won't let me. At the very least, not out of the gate.
My lease is up in September and I've ordered a 330i MANUAL. After driving one, it was the way for me to go.
I hope the new IS is what you guys want it to be but for me it isn't. Can't please 100% of the people, 100% of the time!
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overall though i feel the 330i with the manual was a great choice, and considering lexus doesnt offer one with 350 its tough to compare the two when there are different transmissions, i just feel soem of your arguments as to not looking into the is a bit more are more excuses to keep makign you think that you made the better choice (which you may well have but only time will tell)
we're not "arguing" here - each person is just giving his or her opinion. As is3ooguy said, you just can't please 100% of the people 100% of the time. Let's just leave it at that.
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Does that mean they're not ventilated?
Link to Autoweek 2006 IS photo gallery:
http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/galleries/lexusis/pages/01.htm
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My personal demeanor in a car dealership revolves around the idea that the relationship should be based on mutual respect. I have never been treated with anything but politeness and respect by anybody on an upscale lot - Mercedes, BMW, Acura, Lexus. I ALWAYS return the favor.
The point I was making, and apparently TOO pointedly for you, is that even with all that politeness and respect, there is an edge underneath that makes it very clear that the customer is NOT the focus of every transaction. If that were true, I could without hesitation order any car with a standard refundable deposit and expect delivery within a reasonable time, say 60-90 days. Instead, on at least three occasions, even with a good profit margin built into the price, I've been told by one BMW guy and two Lexus dealers that they just didn't want to be bothered. Now, of course, the actual wording was couched in terms that were designed not to offend, but the last time this happened [at one of the local BMW dealers] it was hard not to be offended. I kept my temper, and may yet do business there, but it reminded me of similar conversations I had with two Lexus dealers when the current gen IS was first released. I wanted the car a certain way, Toyota Corporate through their advertising said I should be able to have it that way, and the dealers were clearly VERY reluctant to do that. In effect, they POLITELY made it clear that the deposit would be much higher [double or triple] and that it would be non-refundable, and they still didn't know if they could do it.
Thanks for the advice, but having purchased 50+ new cars in the past 40+ years, I think I'm pretty good at judging what works. Confrontation is never the way to go. What I was doing is using this forum to make a point, and vent a little in the process.
To wrap up the point, when the current [W203] MB C-class was first announced, I was impressed enough with what I saw and read to order one the way I wanted it 5 months in advance of the first cars being shipped. And it was anything but what the dealers call "standard" - no sunroof, no extras except metallic paint - no extra sound, seating surfaces, wings, butlers, nothing. The required deposit? Zero. No $ on the table. By the time the car had arrived, I had to cancel because already the evidence was in from Germany that the early cars were having significant problems - more than I wanted to handle. No problem, says my guy, just be sure to give us the business if you change your mind. 18 months later I got our current car [a late production '02 C240] from them on what was a pretty darned thin deal, and they gave me great service as well before we moved to our current home in Vancouver WA. I never stop recommending them to people in MBCA who ask.
That's the way it's supposed to work.
I also might not have expressed myself clearly enough with the 'sporty color' thing. Here's a better shot...
I'm still *kinda* young at 29. I want a sporty looking car. For reference my favorite colors on the current IS were the bright red and solar yellow (as unpopular as that might be) I like something that stands out and IMHO looks sporty. The colors above are nice yes but don't enhance the sporty nature of the car that's already baked in (again IMHO only, to each there own)
Finally, I ordered an electric red 330i because it made the car stand out, look sporty to my eyes. I don't see any of those colors doing the same thing for the new IS. Maybe the red a bit but it still doesn't pull it off for me. How about you guys, any of those colors above scream gotta have that paint job to you?
I hope that clears the point up a bit.
Plus how does that Solar Yellow paint look in 3 or 4 year? Not so Solar anymore
Lexus is smart to tone down some of the color selections this time around. If you check out the GS color choices they are pretty nice, while still maintaining a good balance.
Maybe next year they'll offer some more vibrant choices. Maybe they're holding off for the coupe / convertable.
Unfortunately, what you can and cannot order is the decision of the factory and distributor, not the dealer. It's probably not that they don't want to be bothered, it's that a stripped ot IS 350 with a ML stereo and no nav, for example may not be available from the distributor, though the factory lists it as being available. All dealers want to take an order, but on a car that will actually appear, not an imaginary one. Taking a deposit is part of doing business, taking the car off the market so that it cant be sold to someone else who WILL leave some money, especially on a limited edition vehicle.
I know this is not the place for this discussion, Mods, sorry.
I'll take my IS 350 in black, please!
(e.g. (MPH quotes) "...looks hot." "The interior is class-leading..."
"...the IS350 is a blast." "...mix of technology and spirit, defining Japanese carmaking at its best."
Lakeside: I know how the business works, and I know about Toyota's habit of restricting option choices and packaging cars. And I know about the business justification for deposits. I was trying to illustrate how thinking outside the box wins you customers. Sigh. You're right, we'll leave this alone. I'm looking for the Lexus dealer willing to go the extra mile - I know there are others out there who will - I've bought cars from them.
http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=384913: shows new horsepower rating for their Acuras and most hav lower numbers. I think it is nothing to worry about when u see the IS having less power.
An article on my.IS is raising the question. (link title) This seems good news because it points out this issue about horsepower. So far General Motors, Honda and Toyota have revised their official horsepower ratings so they may seem to have less horsepower when it is just the same. General Motors, Honda and Toyota new horsepower ratings are for 2006 models and they did not make the engines weaker but applied the new standards made by the SAE
Anyone done some comparisons between G35 and 06 IS?
My wife got a 2006 GS300 AWD and we went to the intro party back in March. It was very nice.
HP – theoretical / calculated value;
BHP – measured value.
That’s the reason why BMW330PP (235bhp) is faster than G35 from 0 to 60.
Canadian BMW website says: BMW330 power (SAE hp @ rpm) 255 @ 6600.
That's what the HP is listed for in the USA too.
I did a google and found most reviews are mentioning BMW 330i's 255 is SAE. http://www.google.com/search?q=bmw+sae+horsepower+2006+330i&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=- - 0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official
Same with Audi's A3
http://www.google.com/search?q=audi+sae+horsepower+2006+a3&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0- - &start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official
Seems the euro brands moved to SAE for early 2006 releases?
In the end it doesn't matter. We'll all see how 300 ponies feels when we play with an IS350.
BMW USA did/does not use “BHP” word not to confuse American market which get used to “HP”. Even for earlier BMW models (before 2005) – BMW HP (published by BMW USA) = BHP != American HP.
I have noticed it long time ago reading European auto reviews.
150mphclub, I agree with your statement. What car I have to own to get in high speed class?
Anyway, yes, the new SAE standards will be quoted hp numbers for everyone selling in the US for the '06 model year and onward.
Frankly, I have to confess I couldn't care less - either the car feels right when you drive it, with adequate power for merging and passing and everyday use, or it doesn't. The difference between 200 hp and 215 or fill-in-the-blank couldn't matter less to me.
I think bhp ratings is very similar to hp ratings. hp ratings are used in the North America and bhp is used in other countries like England. Its may just be a different way countries name the power of a car. Like some other countries use kW. Kga, u may be right but it is the same engine. The SAE horsepower rating is for the U.S. its a different concept of rating horsepower. All new horsepower ratings for 2006 models in the U.S. should expect a small decline in the rating, but it is the same engine as the 2005 model unless a redesign/refresh, so there is nothing to worry. This new system will not affect performance but gives consumers the net horsepower or what you really get in horsepower and not what is advertised, this helps with loop holes and helps us.
This new SAE system also revises the torque numbers which would be lower by at least 9 lb of torque.
We just have to wait for all car makers to use the new system to compare horsepower.
Yahoo.Auto still uses the old system.
Nobody is wrong because most are speculating because only a few things are official. I think it is good we are questioning things because we all learn.
No discussion about anything except HP for how many days? Amazing...
Maybe there should be a separate HP thread.
true! So many variables play into this. A 2500 lbs 06 miata only has 170 hp. A 3300+ lbs IS250 has less than 210 hp. Hmmm, I sure like the power to weight ratio on one of those. Of course tires, gearing, etc all play a role too.
http://www.autospies.com/article/index.asp?articleId=5112&categoryId=1
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Ivory leather is a must. These Winnipeg summers would kill me with black leather! Inside my car (parked in the sun) it was 42 degrees celcius today! HOT!
PS. where are the reviews?
Does anyone know if one can operate a voicemail system through the bluetooth in the car? For example accessing, deleting and forwarding messages from my voicemail at work?
I live in Miami and will have my seat ventalators on all of the time.