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The interesting thing about the "magic compromise" is that it's a moving goal post for the last couple decades. Lexus found it out the hard way with the original IS300. It was indeed the most connected-to-the-road sedan bearing a luxury brand since BMW stopped making E30 3 series . . . It was the sales pits after the the first year or two. Consumers have simply moved on; one only need to look at the evolution of E30, E36, E46 to today's family sedan-like E90 to see that this segment have gone soft, big times. Perhaps what the majority consumers in this segment want is a quiet, smooth and wicked fast car . . . just like the IS350.
-Stick guy, the manual has a regular hand brake.
Here are my thoughts from Saturdays visit to the dealer (NYC area)
-Took my friend who was 6'1. He adjusted the front seat to drive, was able to sit in the back and was OK. Agreed that a couple of hours would be OK, but long distances wouldn't be too comfortable. Since I'm not too concerned about playing taxi, that's fine wit me.
-Originally I was looking for "metal" trim. Until I saw it was "metal colored" trim. Feels like plastic. Guess I'll stick to the auburn wood. A little disappointing.
-Was able to drive both the 250 AWD and the 350. IMHO, the 250 was more than enough. There is this straightaway (although a little bumpy) that you can floor it. I was great in the 250 but felt unsure in the 350 which was flying in the air at the bumps. Don't want to feel like a kid re-learning how to drive. So call me a wuss... :P
-The dealers are still trying to figure out which options are where. I was originally told I couldn't even factory order the ML, but was called back yesterday to say that I can get it together with the NAV (more, because of the DVD capabilities, which I want).
-So here's where we are with the pricing (of course, I was told that there's no wiggle room right now):
IS250 AWD: 34285
Destination: 590
Luxury Package: 2205 - xenon headlights, etc.
Sirius: 695 - I am waiting for this!
ML/NAV: 3990
Total: 41765
Thoughts?
You're a wuss. (You asked us to do that). But I am too - I agree with your feeling about the AWD power - it was enough to have some fun.
Saying there is no wiggle room is true right up until the first person outwaits them. (They are probably dealing from strength right now).
While I have written that the back seat is small, I did sit back there next to a large guy at T of L. We fit. Fine for local travel, as you say.
Do you have time pressure to act before prices start to slide, and dealer stock rises? Or is it just "car lust" (like I have)?
Have fun. Tim
And you will definitely not find the IS listed on Edwards, given that that's a heart valve replacement company. Please look for pricing soon on Edmunds.com
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Last I paid any attention, I heard the typical don't drive at a constant speed/rpm for long periods of time for the first 500 miles and to have the first oil change done early to remove metal fragments from the manufacturing process (although I've also heard that this isn't necessary anymore).
Your thoughts/rituals?
You are quite correct. I rarely find myself in the same camp as the majority on any topic. There's a reason I opted for the Performance Package 330i over the sport equipped cars - the others were too soft for me. The M3 called to me but BMW only made coupe versions of it in the e46 - I don't like coupes.
I sincerely believe the IS350 will fulfill the desires of many, many buyers. Power, luxury, refinement, reliability, exceptional Lexus customer service (the sales guy I worked with at one place was amazing) all will add up to a great ownership experience for many, many buyers.
Show me the sport package, Jerry. Show me the sport package...
This is the kind of post that no doubt will be putting smiles on the faces of Lexus folks (and bonuses in their pockets).
~alpha
For what it's worth, the 350's are available now with zenons and the adaptive lighting.
This, IMO, is the best post BGDC has ever provided on this forum. I am indeed impressed. Now, can we get KD to be as objective ?
No, they only come as part of a $3500 or $3700 package.
BREAK IN PERIOD
From the 350 manual:
Breaking in your new Lexus
To extend the life of the vehicle, the following precautions are recommended to
observe:
For the first 186 miles(300 km):
Avoid sudden stops.
For the first 621 miles (1000 km):
• Do not drive at extremely high speeds.
• Avoid sudden acceleration.
• Do not drive continuously in the low gears.
• Do not drive at a constant speed for extended periods.
I think the IS350's steering is lighter. Some folks might think that's good, some might think it's bad. I'm kind of in the "whatever" category. I would not say I feel as much (road harshness, etc) through the steering wheel of the IS350 than the GT.
And, I'm not disbelieving the 0-60 figure... just saying that it doesn't feel as fast as my GT getting there. There's no rush of power or anything else telling you that you've moved except for the inertial resistance of your body, the movement of the needle on the speedometer, and the movement of things outside the car. You're just there at 0 and then there at 60. And, also note, that it's very easy to go from 60 to 90 and have no idea that you're going that fast. The engine doesn't really yell at you, either to say, "oh jesus what are you doing to me, stop" or to say "YEEEHAWWW, LET'S GET IT ON" It's like someone put Droopy Dog's brain in a cheetah. It will get moving very quickly, but you hear it say "b-ooh-kay, I'll b-get b-going."
" hope you mean "almost up to Acura TL standards of style, which is in the eye of the beholder"."
No, I meant what I wrote. I wasn't neccessarily referring to style. I'm not saying the IS350 is a Dodge Charger or anything, but... I don't know... I just like the Acura's interior more, from everything from material feel to, yes, the style. Yes, it's subjective, and I'm not saying the IS's interior is not very nice for a car in it's class (it beats the G35's hands down), but I still like the TL/A4's interior more, including style and quality. Note, I'm not saying anything about the overall car... just the interior.
Basically it's Premium with or without NAV package, and those two option with or without small accessory (cargo net, etc.) group.
Must have sport.
Are you using Monterey Penninsula Lexus?
But.... I can't keep help but make some commentary on this forum. It seems to me that any slight (real or perceived) against the IS is slammed by multiple users of this forum. No car is perfect, so why are people so wrapped up in this car and everyone having to sings its praises exclusively?! Anyone that thinks about saying something negative that has read other posts has learned to caveat themselves 10 times over just to avoid the abuse. Just look at this recent post:
" hope you mean "almost up to Acura TL standards of style, which is in the eye of the beholder"."
No, I meant what I wrote. I wasn't neccessarily referring to style. I'm not saying the IS350 is a Dodge Charger or anything, but... I don't know... I just like the Acura's interior more, from everything from material feel to, yes, the style. Yes, it's subjective, and I'm not saying the IS's interior is not very nice for a car in it's class (it beats the G35's hands down), but I still like the TL/A4's interior more, including style and quality. Note, I'm not saying anything about the overall car... just the interior.
wow - i feel for this guy - he's stating his honest opinion but knows he has qualify it 10 times to avoid any flack..
Another one: BDCG posts a very positive post and gets this response: "This, IMO, is the best post BGDC has ever provided on this forum. I am indeed impressed. Now, can we get KD to be as objective ? "
Impressed? What does that mean? People slam him for stating his opinions when they aren't positive, but suddenly are impressed with his opinions when they are positive of the car? Whether I've agreed with BDCG's posts completely or not, I do believe they are his opinions and I appreciate them.
I was really hoping the IS 250 performed a little closer to the 350 - if it did I'd have already put my order in. Unfortunately, its a little underpowered for me, and can't decide which car to get now (love and have to have a manual tranny). I value most of the opinions expressed on this site, but think we'd all be better off if we let each express our honest opinions without feeling the need to duck...
It's good to know the configurator is dead wrong again. :sick: I have zero interest in testing anything with the regular suspension, so allocation with necessary equipment is encouraging. Does that package still net the maple (which I'd rather not have) or the aluminum trim?
Thanks for the info.
Not true. I'm in Orange County and should take delivery of an IS 350 with the following package in the next few days. This package comes up if you use a Seattle zip:
Luxury Package with 18-in wheels with Additional Options $6,959.00
Luxury Package with 18-in wheels includes Auburn bird's-eye maple interior trim, Perforated leather-trimmed interior, Power tilt-and-telescopic steering column, Lexus Memory System for power driver's seat (except lumbar) outside mirrors and steering wheel, Heated and ventilated front seats, Illuminated doorsill scuff plates, Power rear-window sunshade, Rain-sensing intermittent windshield wipers with mist cycle, Electrochromic (auto-dimming) outside mirrors with auto tilt-down in reverse, Bi-xenon High Intensity Discharge (HID) headlamps, Adaptive Front Lighting System (AFS), and 18-in alloy wheels.
Additional Options:
- Lexus voice-activated DVD Navigation System
- Preferred Accessory Package (includes Cargo net, Trunk mat and Wheel locks)
Just for laughs, I went over to Infiniti to check out the M35; nice exterior, but a truly hideous interior, correct me if I'm wrong, but that contraption sitting on the dash looks like a mini-jukebox you'd find in the diner...tasteless...so that clinched the deal... back into the GS. After all, If I'm spending close to 50 large, I need to have my comfort. It's been fun; good luck to all!
43,069 for sport package, about 500 above MSRP and additional 399 Dealer processing fee, which of course is pure profit for dealer plus tax title and license, close to 46K out the door. No other options!!!
Nice car, but I'm not paying above MSRP. Dealer said that is what they are getting, walked out test drove BMW 330i, and put deposit down for 39K, & 99 for dealer fees, total was close to 41K, almost 5K less than an 350. I am so glad I did. Absolutely loved The 330i, what a car. Wow. Lexus, close, but no cigar.
Lexus, are you crazy???? The new 350 is really nice, but it’s still not a Beemer,
If you really want to take away from BMW, build a better
Car, and price it right. 5K more than an BMW 330i, your outta your mind.
I guess I have two reasons for sticking with the IS350:
1. It will bug the crap out of me if and when the 350 engine replaces the 300 in the GS, and
2. I think the IS350 is a livelier car for me and I have precious few years left before my kids are too big for the IS and I have no choice but to buy the GS.
Having owned two BMW's I can say that the BMW is nice, but it's still not a Lexus. I'll give you the handling and feel if that is your preference, but my experience with Lexus has been light years beyond the experience I had with BMW.
Please, please tell me that's not the case!
Honestly, is Lexus expecting all it's ISs to be one driver cars?
Just curious, what packages you will get in your 330i?
Lexus will drop their price soon, I believe.
This could be a case of a dealer who only orders X, Y or Z if you order V (basic premium) first. It's a common scam. A Honda dealer in San Diego always puts a $500 package (worth $50) of stupid junk on every car they get. They call it the Cush something package. It's insulting to say the least as it's a blatant way to pad profits. They do this at their Acura dealership too.
I drove the IS 350, BMW 330i, and G35X.
Tough choice, love the interior, and of course reliability of Lexus, but to me anyway, too much of an luxury sport versus sport luxury like BMW, if you know what I mean.
BMW and Infiniti just felt better to drive, more fun. Lexus was not far behind just
didn't feel as tight.
Here is my dilemma. I like all 3.
Infinity G35X with AWD, at around 34-36K loaded, is my # 1, because of price, AWD, and rear seat is bigger. Close to invoice, been out 3 years or so, very reliable.
BMW 330i was # 2, a great car to drive fast, really the benchmark, and around 39-42K loaded. But new model, and BMW as most manufacturers usually have some problems first year, including Lexus.
Lexus 330i, the most luxurious, and tops in reliability, I like the looks, and it is quick.However Sport Package with Additional Options is $6,845.00 on their Web Site. That brings it up to 43K without any other options or taxes and dealer fees.
So 46K sounds about right. Sticker was 45K +. Didn't really negotiate.
I agree with the assessment the IS 350 is a heck of a car, much better than the previous model, but I think Lexus is pricing themselves out of the market. I always thought BMW would cost more.
Tough choice??? I always wanted a Beemer, and always wanted a Lexus, otherwise I would of bought the G35X.
I will test drive all three again, take my time, and see what happens.
Assuming 8 oil changes (not including first one at 5k free and the 30k service) that'd be about $900 using their service, plus the $400 for the 30k service. $1300 isn't too bad, I guess.
More realistically a synthetic oil change at most shops runs $50.
However, I usually lease my cars for only 3 years, so it is not worth paying extra for a car that does not belong to you.
In other words, you are expect to replace your pads every 16 months or less. Plus the standard 17 -in wheel will have "substantially less than 20,000 miles"
I somehow feel like IS350 will be a very expensive car to maintain and keep. :surprise:
I think the only goal Lexus had in mind was to beat BMW with any cost. Unfortunately, at cost of buyers
You're also getting worse gas mileage and the lower grade gas causes the knock sensors to retard engine performance. If the owner's manual calls for premium it's not because the car company is in cahoots with the gas companies. The engine requires the higher grade for its higher compression. When the engine doesn't get the proper gas grade, it simply changes compression which = less power, no knocking and lower gas mileage.
I won't even get into how illogical it is to fret about paying 20 cents more a gallon when gas costs $3.00 for 87 and $3.20 for premium. Why bother getting a performance vehicle if you're going to purposely sabotage the engine's performance? Might as well load the car with bricks and drive around with the windows open and tires underinflated.
Putting regular in a HiPo engine is just as silly as putting premium in a plant that calls for regular. You're already getting mugged at the pump; might as well at least get all the satisfaction you can on the road.
Pricing and packages: there are tremendous discrepancies from zip to zip on the configurator. As Maximus' post shows, the lexus site itself (as usual) cannot be trusted to even suggest true availability or price. In one zip I have seen the performance pack as a nearly $7K upgrade; obviously in combination with other elements that are premium package goods.
If you're really interested in what you can get and for how much, you'll have to walk the walk to talk the talk, as in go to the dealership.
Like I sais, according to the configurator, if you happen to live in Mississippi, you are POL on options in total, according to the site! Codswallop.
(Maybe 330i gives you slightly better cornering, and heavier steering)
But I still won't pay the sticker price for IS350 . I am waiting patiently...
So if people didn't run out blindly and purchase something like the IS 350, the pricing would drop. That's a good thing!!!!
If the Lexus was cheaper than the BMW, I would of bought it.
In my opinion we are lucky to have choices with great new vehicles like IS350,
BMW330i, and soon Mazdaspeed6. It’s a fun time to buy, many great products
To choose from.
I contacted several Lexus dealers and wanted information on the IS 250 regarding pricing and not one of them is willing to budge on the 35,500 price with AWD, and AUTO while BMW was willing to drop 1,500 off of the 325I
I dont get it. IS it because the IS just came out?? Will they ever drop off the sticker?? MAybe in DECEMBER?? or mid winter??
Thanks