Natural Gas Prices

kscng

Hello cng supporters !!

Utah and Oklahoma cng prices just DROPPED effective 11/1/07. They are doing the right thing and passing on additional Federal credits.

UT now is $0.64 statewide (drop from former $0.74 per gge).

OK now is $0.91 statewide (drop from former $0.95 per gge).

Wow, now how can Clean Energy Fuels justify their skyhigh prices in AZ, CA, CO, TX, and NY !!!

dejapooh

It's not really hard for Clean Energy to Justify the price. They make the deals that they make. In Utah and Ok, the state government picks up a lot of the costs. Land is a lot less expensive, and there is an effective push into these cars.

Clean energy is in business to turn a profit (which they claim to have not been able to do).

I would love it if the state of california would pay $1.50 a gallon for my fuel. It's not going to happen, but I would love it if it did.

rst

first the 3600psi side of the Santa Monica station went down and now the 3000psi side is in-op as well. The price is $2.69 ggel.

rst

both sides of the Santa Monica station pump were repaired this morning.

hondagxsales

Could you please post this information in the interactive fuel station guide at www.cngprices.com ? This guy finally put together the fueling guide we have all been asking for. Prices at a glance, station status, comments about the station, everything we have asked for, but never had allin one place before. It's awsome!

rst

done!

rst

"gxsales"

are you impressed with the Clarity?

kscng

Ouch . . . more PRICE GOUGING and POOR SERVICE by Clean Energy !!! How can $2.69 per gge be justified after 11/1/07 additional $0.10 credit by Federal government that other proactive cng providers like Utah and Oklahoma passed on to their customers. Thus, UT was $0.74 per gge that dropped to $0.64 per gge after 11/1/07. Oklahoma did almost as well going from $0.95 per gge to $0.91 per gge after 11/1/07. I fill up my cng tank in OK for less than $5 for bi-fuel Cavalier !!

Everyone please email, write, call, complain, etc. to your Congressman, Senators, Governor, DOE, EPA, President, etc about monopoly price-gouging practices of Clean Energy . . . a national public company that cng users really do NOT want in the cng business. Frequent every mom & pop public cng pump you can and all those municipal public cng pumps - - give them ALL your business. CE even makes it more difficult by NOT allowing purchase with only a credit card . . . almost all locations require a "CE Fuel Card" which basically serves as marketing data gathering tool !! Come on !!

cng_across_usa@yahoo.com

hondagxsales

I'm impressed with the car. I've driven the ZCX and thought it impressive in every way. Not what I had originally expected. When I spoke to Corporate last week I asked them about the amount of advertising going into this car, as oppoosed to the GX.. I was advised that it was about selling the company, not the car. I returned with the opinion that the GX could be used just as effectively to sell the image... and the car. He didn't argue.
Curtis

jetboatjohnny

Hemet (RTA Riverside Transit Authority) 2.092$
Down 3 cents

jetboatjohnny

It's amazing how many people dont have a clue that these (NGVs) actually exist.
A GX ad from Honda would open up a lot of eyes.
I think they should make it mandatory all new school buses be methane powered.
This could open the door to a nationwide fuel infrastruture. I think I will run for congress, oh crap I gotta go against Sonny Bono's X-wife.
Diesel particulates are extremely hazardous to a childs health!
J
(I know this thread has gone off topic, so dont tell me)

jetboatjohnny

Diamond Bar $2.22 up 11 cents
Brea Chevron regular gas $3.15
For up to date prices go to:
http://www.cngprices.com/

kscng

Please . . . if you really are a cng supporter, you can't stand behind Clean Energy monopoly practices !!

Clean Energy demands a $100 deposit for their "Clean Energy Fuel Card" which really is just a marketing access card that restricts access, then . . . get this . . . delays the actual credit card processing on a real credit card (ie Visa/MC/Discover) ONE DAY LATER in a batch process!!! Thus, CE is requiring a deposit only for their convenience to cover their poor business practice of delayed credit card processing . . . no real business would opt to not immediately run through a credit card for authorization!!! Further, CE does NOT pay any interest on this $100 deposit like normal utility companies have to do, and will only refund the deposit at cancellation of card. If for some reason, need another CE Fuel Card (like you move from CO to TX since CE cards are regional only, NOT national), then charges a $25 penalty for getting another CE Fuel Card and again charges the $100 deposit !!! These practices are BLATANT monopoly, and detrimental to the expansion of cng use to wider spectrum of the public!!! CE's deposit practices are just an interest-free loan so that customer has to carry cost of any cng pump installations - - last time I checked that was job of public company investors (ie shareholders) to provide capital for that business!!! The cng community does NOT want a scheister imposter like Clean Energy !!

I'll never be a CE advocate . . beware, avoid CE if at all possible. Give your business to any & all municipal or mom & pop cng stations!!

cng_across_usa@yahoo.com

tsarkoye

So what does the psi mean? I own an F250 that won't fill on the 3600PSI side of the CE stations. If I get a GX and a Phill, those are 3600PSI. Still won't be able to fill up my tank...will a GX fill up at 3000PSI? Is the connection the same? How are you getting a 4100PSI fill?

adea

I agree! I drive 28 miles now to get cleaner and much cheaper cng than CE's. Here in AZ, every time gasoline goes up, CE raises their prices (it's probably over $3/gge now)...which has NOTHING to do with natural gas...I too think they should be investigated! I have stopped using CE's fuel for a long time now...and will continue NOT to use it...:)
Garry

aussie6

Just reading about your natural gas prices, here in Sydney Premium 98 petrol is about $1.70 per litre ($6.80 $A per US gallon) LPG (Liquid Petrolium Gas) is about 60cents per litre or $2.40 per US Gallon. My car a 1999 V6 Commodore manual is fitted with both petrol and gas and costs about $40 per week on gas V $90+ for petrol. Australia sells natural gas to China for about 5 cents per litre so why does it cost so much in USA?

kokaneemike

Why is gas for cng's not coming down like regular gas is.? I pay 2.19 in Berkeley.

PF_Flyer

I'm guessing that demand for natural gas hasn't changed as much as demand for crude oil and unleaded gas has

hondagxsales

Natural Gas prices are dropping, but the prices are only changed once a month, rather than daily like gasoline prices. Home refueling is about $.75 a gge and remains the best value for cng pricing.

With the warm weather, maybe we'll see a significant drop in Dec. Oil prices won't stay low forever, and when they skyrocket once again... we'll still be smilin'.
Curtis

marinewonder

Most posts in this Civic-NG forum date no later than 2009/10.

Yet the Civic-NG has a slightly improved 2012 version.

Has the excitement of NGV dwindled?

While garnering up information to decide if the Civic-NG is for me, I read two news articles today that may relate directly into NG prices in the coming years.

Both on C N N

1) U.S. OKs Sabine Pass natural gas export plant (Critics predict this will drive up NG prices)
2) Will gas crowd out wind and solar? (A Q&A with Energy Expert Daniel Yergin and his take on the upcoming rising demand for NG).

Both of these articles make me wonder if NG prices are sustainable in the long term after which you may expect to recoup the costs of the high priced Civic NG with fuel price differentials alone.

I don't have short-term plans to use home-fueling. And have no visibility for it in the long-term.

I see the posts on CNGprices and see so many troubling station comments related to operational/non-op and sub 70% fill-rates. It seems like a lot of time driving first to the lower cost station only to find a non-op 25% or more of the time, then driving to the next, wasting gas, time, peace of mind. Is this far from the truth?

Was the NGV experience something to be had in the 2000's, but what can we expect in the 2010's?

-2 Days Ago enthusiastic, today, not so sure.

adea

I used to own a Honda GX, but now I sold it to buy a Nissan LEAF (after the $7500 fed tax credit it costs about the same as a new GX), which is 100% electric. It's the BEST car I've EVER had! It has virtually no maintenance, but I spent well over $3000 in just ONE year on maintenance costs for the Honda. You have to be very careful with CNG and use the cleanest (multi-filters) that you can find. There are very minute tolerances in the injectors and valves.

hondagxsales

So are you here to try and convert the NG Forum to EV? Good luck. I've driven my 2004 GX for 5 years and never had to do anything other than change oil, air filter, etc. True, I should be changing my fuel filters more ofter than every 100k, but the gas out West is so clean & dry that it generally isn't necessary. I drove from LA to San Diego today on about $10 of CNG (2/3 tank)@ $2@ gge. Refueling from home is about 1/2 that thanks to the glut of NG in this country. Try making that trip in your Leaf. You'd have to revert to your gasoline vehicle, or rent one if you don't have one. I own no gasoline cars and in 5 years have had to rent a gas car twice. Both times were business trips to remote locations. Don't get me wrong, I love the EV's and am a huge proponent, but they are not yet ready for prime time and can pretty much only serve as your local commuter... your other car. I know a fellow with a leaf, who commutes to work & back every day, but he dare not even run an errand on the way home because he's at the very limit of his range every day just getting to work & back.
Your ideal solution would have been to keep the GX and use the Leaf as the run around car, the GX for range and the rare gas car rental for remote, or cross country trips. For the record, I don't sell GX's any more. I am affiliated with the Clean Cities program to develop alt fuels in my area of influence. They all have their place, or niche. No one alt fuel, or technology, is a silver bullet. It takes all of them, used when and where they best fit.
The reason there is no traffic here is because everyone hangs out at cngchat.com, the largest CNG community on the web, with over 12,000 members.

freedml

CNG is just as active, but it was never a big topic here on edmunds.com. join cngchat.com if you want an active discussion group.