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I emailed my local dealer and he came back with $20,040 but I had to take the only one in stock, a Galaxy Gray - I want Black (he refused to do a search at this price). He checked his inbounds and his next black model is due to be assembled the 2nd week of June and delivered around July 1 and said he'd honor the price if I leave a deposit.
Two questions:
Is the price fair? It looks to be $100 over invoice based on what I can tell.
Do you think my chain is being yanked to get me to come in and leave a deposit on a car that won't be here for over a month?
Thanks,
Eric
Dealers love leaving this out of quotes, luring you into the dealer, and once there, note the find print that it will actually be an extra $500-something including destination.
I fell for it, so that's why I say keep an eye out.
I will like to know the best out the door price in Central Florida?
Has anyone got one latelly?
Thanks
They have lots of Pilots (08 and 09), Odys, and Ridgelines sitting on the lot if anyone needs a thirsty car.
Dennis
Car is a new arrival. Still had plastic on shifter, arm rests, center console, etc. Odometer: 3 miles. Premier Honda in New Orleans East. Dealt with Internet Sales person. He's as good as they get. No surprises from the management either. Everything was low key. Didn't even offer to sell me any add-ons. Very happy with the deal. Not supposed to mention Jeff's name so I won't.
Picking it up tonite with mudflaps added (not free). When I pick up the plate in a few weeks, they will fill the tank a second time. I'll be sure to be running on empty when I arrive. Actually this is for my wife; going to park the Expedition.
This has been posted several places on the web lately:
Owners might owe $20,000 or more when the vehicle is now worth $12,000. It's similar to an upside-down mortgage, and it may not make sense to try a trade-in. "What they might be doing is spending thousands of dollars to save hundreds," says Jack Nerad, the executive director of Kelley Blue Book's kbb.com. "Because if you make a trade, you're most often going to spend more to make that move than you would just sucking it up and paying the extra gasoline prices."
In your case you are parking what is otherwise a perfectly running vehicle just to save on gas?
At the current average price of a gallon of gas and if you drove the average of 15k miles per year the difference in gas cost between a Civic AT sedan and an Expedition is $2,098 per year (so says the EPA). So spending $20.6k for a car to "save money on gas" will pay off in 9.8 years of gas buying. And that does not include the cost of keeping tags and insurance on the Expedition.
Now, it is true that the Civic will hold its value well so you will get a nice portion of your $20.6k down the road. But if you consider how much you will get back compared to the cost and divided by the different in yearly fuel cost, you may find that you didn't save that much money. Of course it all depends on how high gas prices go and how long they stay there. Trade value "book" on an 06 EX sedan AT with 30k on the clock is around $14,500 . So you have $6,100 in depreciation (not counting trade in tax credit, if you really traded it in) plus insurance and tags for 2 years and you saved $4,196 in gas.
Dennis
Bought the Automatic, 4-door LX model for $16,150 base price including dest. charges + $55 document fee + $167 registration fee + 8.25% CA tax = $17,710 OTD with full tank of gas, 10 miles and two free car details. I wanted to get the base price of $15,850 (my personal target on negotiation) and while I did pay $300 more, the full tank of gas and car detail made up for around $200. The lowest I have heard on this forum on LX, 4-door was around $16700 base price. So I think I did good...but I spent some time researching, calling dealerships and used one of these ideas. While I usually don't like to fool anyone, with the way car buying at dealerships work, I had no problem using some of the dealers own tactics on them...especially, when they make you wait for couple of thousand hours, many of them treat you like you are getting the car for FREE!! and much more...so I felt it was fair that I think about saving money and do whatever I can while the car salesman on the other side try thier best to suck most of it out of our pockets. Here's what I did;
I invited quotes from dealerships around the area and started an e-mail chain with one of them...we went back and forth and she mentioned in one of her e-mail replies that she was willing to price match and beat any other dealers offer. The problem was I didn't have any such lower offer in writing..so I made one number up, $15850 and told her, this dealership 30 miles away was offering me. On paper she said, she would match $15,850. I was happy and so showed up at her door, only to learn that they started thier antics and didn't have the color I wanted. So that dealership talk broke right there. But I had their e-mail. Using very simple techniques, I modified some of the e-mail contents (if you are using Hotmail, hit the reply button on a received quote and then you can change the content of the entire e-mail..to make it look authentic, hit the reply button but change the dealership e-mail address by inserting a character somewhere in between such that you can't spot the difference between right and wrong dealership e-mail address, adding one character would be enough..this way your reply doesn't go to the dealer and even if it does you are going to use this e-mail communication at another dealership and not the one you communicated with). I took the printout of that e-mail communication and used it as my ploy to negotiate the price I thought I wanted to pay. They looked at the printout and I had them believe that this dealership was willing to underpay...unlike Black Friday price matching process, the dealerships want call each other to verify all this, they hate each other...use this hatred amongst themselves for your benefit and I did exactly that. You should use the salesman in you to get the best deal you can...never think that if you don't get this deal, it's the last car in the world. They did buy into my negotiation which I kept insisting through my e-mail communication and had them believe that I was going there next and get that deal if they don't honor me at theirs. It may work for you, it may not...but keep trying hard. Don't budge from your price..stay firm and hopefully you will end up paying close to what you want to pay.
Goodluck you all..
I recently leased a new Pilot for my wife - she wanted the size and comfort and loved the Pilot. We knew gas would cost more than her Accord but were willing to live with it. Over in the Pilot forum folks are still leasing and buying Pilots (some smoking hot deals with $3,500 dealer money) even with $4 a gallon gas.
Everyone should do what they need and want to do and what they think is best for their situation. I would just caution those wanting to dump a guzzler now to run the numbers first and you may find you can keep on driving it for less money than replacing it. In your case, parking it only costs you the insurance and tags. Folks trying to trade them are getting beat up bad on the value.
Dennis
OTD was $17300 - I got this quote thru email, but still they wanted to charge me $695 extra for appearance package, which they dropped after some short but loud negotiation.
I was going to put some money on credit card (have 2% rebate) and the rest pay by cash but the current financing so good - end up with 1.9% for 36 month.
This particular rate isn't advertised but finance girl mentioned it and got hooked, because you can pay your monthly with a credit card (only Honda Bank allows to pay with loan money on a loan sort of speak).
Now for those wanted the break down, which I never asked for cause don't care how they will come up with the price I am comfortable with:
Price (with destination) - $16310.26
Title/Reg Fee - $12.00
Dealer Business License Tax - $28.38
Sales Tax (3% for Virginia) - $500.86
License Fee - $63.50
Processing (junk) fee - $385.00
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Total - $17300.00
Bought it from Landmark Honda of Alexandria (VA)
I am still on the fence about buying as I have a 1999 Jeep Grand Cherokee that has 112K miles that I just can't part ways with unless I can get like $4000 which is very tough as I have been trying to sell via Craigslist but just cant afford to get like $2000 on trade in as the car is in great shape but gas is killing me as well as I just sank $2500 in repairs this past month. I again am torn as this could be all the repairs for a while if so then I want to keep it but if I have to shell out a few thousand more it will hurt.
I know it is cheaper to fix than buy new so we shall see. Not sure what to do still.
On Thursday I freaked out at the price of gas, $4.11 -$4.15 for Regular, 30 cents higher for Premium, which my '06 Sienna CE ran best on. I couldn't see it coming down for a while, and not far when it does. Spent 90 minutes on the net, then took a ride. Checked out an '09 Vibe base model Auto with the 2.4L Camry motor, and a Civic LX sedan Auto. Stopped by the Toyota/Scion dealer and kicked the tires on the xD, which I rented two weeks ago for 125 miles in a day. Just for Me, the Vibe was the one I could see myself in. I test drove the Civic, went back and test drove the Vibe. I thought it was way better looking than the Civic LX sedan. Just for me. xD was tempting, but the Civic LX is much more car, and gets better Hiway mileage. The Vibe I can't pinpoint it, but something didn't feel right. Went back for second drive in the Civic. I bought the Civic. Got killed on my trade, but thought I did ok on the price. Until I read here....
2.9%, 56 Months (I don't know how that happened instead of 60?? just took a second look at the paperwork tonight), $17,400 plus tax and tabs and plastic mud flaps and $50 doc fee. Pacific Northwest area.
The Sienna was much more vehicle, and if I had a family or some other need for it I would still have it. It was a base model and a fine vehicle and got Great gas mileage for what it was. I drive lots, the last two weeks on my days off I stayed home. So I'm in the Honda club. Looking forward to seeing if I can get 40 mpg on the hiway
I've been looking around in the Boston area and right now no one will quote anything below 17k (including destination, exluding doc fees, tax and title).
Good Luck! :shades:
Even with my gas sucking 4x4 crewcab pickup a civic would only save me 400 or so gallons a year. At $5 a gallon thats $2,000 a year. If the price of a civics go up well I'll have to wait till the new model year and check out the competition.
Don't want to get caught up in the buy high frenzy.
Out the door, paid cash, $20,159.69. Very happy with the deal.
I had shopped around online in the Portland Metro area and found that Civic prices continue to be on the rise.
Vehicle Price. $21,545
Title,Registration and doc fee. $218
2008 Civic Sedan EX-L/Auto/with Nav.
O.T.D = $21,763
Note: No sales tax in Oregon.
I will however end up buying a fuel efficient car as the days of trucks like mine or soon to be over. I want that Civic diesel hatch!!
Anybody have prices for an LX coupe in say Chicago or Atlanta?
I drove up to them and test drove it and right before I want to purchase the car my friend found a scratch on the car. So I told the salesman that I will wait for there next shipment (since Ali Hashemi wasn't there). But, he told me I should contact Ali Hashemi instead since he is the manager.
Today, I contacted him and try to follow up the order. But, I got yelled at because according to Ali Hashemi the scratch can't be seen......and I asked him when is their next shipment gonna be? He replied "This is the only car we have, you can either buy it or walk away from it, there is no next shipment..." That's the worst sales experience I have had so far.
Don't buy from them, they just don't know how to respect their costumers.
A lot of cars get damaged at the factory and in transit and get touched up and you would never know it. Heck, take the 'vette plant tour in Bowling Green and they have a whole touch up department fixing paint flaws in various parts that were detected before the part was put on the car.
If the scratch is small it may can be easily and quickly repaired so you will never know it is there. I would have pointed it out to them and told them I would take the car once they had that fixed to my satisfaction - if they have no other cars on the lot to sell you - or just go inspect the one at the other dealership and buy that one if it is "perfect".
I can't see them giving you a good price on one to come in and sticking to it, what it that one also has a scratch?
Either get them to fix the scratch or just go get the car from the other dealer.
There is never an excuse for rude behavior, however.
Dennis
Yah, I understand that I may not be able to get the same price for their next shipment (and I didn't even have a chance to mention the price issue). His instant reaction was like "No, we don't have any more cars, this is the only car we have". Seriously, there is no way I can settle it, his attitude was "buy it or get away". I would definitely consider it if they can fix it or patiently explain to me like you did
Anyhow, I am sure that I won't be Autowest Fremont's customer I mean their customer service was horrible. I felt like I have to beg them to sell me the car, even though I am paying 20k (big bucks for student
I go to atlanta quite often, would you give me an OTD estimate of 2008 Honda Civic EX? I am very interested in buying one.
Dennis
I priced around....best we could get, dealers all have different "fees"....and these guys are 15 minutes further away than a local dealer, but we got the color etc we wanted and still saved $500...regardless, they are also near our Harley dealership, so we'll plan services together...
I'm just starting the process of looking for a Civic LX Sedan (Auto) in the Columbus, OH area. Anyone have any good experiences at a dealership in the area, or have received price quotes?
Thanks,
Dennis
Any one bought a new 2008 Honda Civic LX 4 Door Auto in Indianapolis area? If so can you please post the price your paid for..
I would suggest talking to other dealers and see if any are willing to deal or not.
The place I got my last two Hondas from was discounting Fits (a bit) and was selling Civics at or just under invoice BEFORE the gas prices went through the roof. They don't discount like that any more - it would just be dumb for them to do so, Some folks are in a panic to dump their guzzlers and will pay whatever is asked for an efficient car, it seems.
Dennis
If they want that much money for a civic I wouldn't buy one. Lots of nice cars out there.
Only take about a day and about $200 to fly some where pick up the car and drive it home. Since I don't take home $2,000 a day it makes sense to do that for me.
Off topic and 4 year old information, BUT a 04 Civic with 66,000 miles was advertised (June 2008) on a local Craigslist for $500 less than paid new with 150 miles.
They don't stop to think, just panic dumping their inefficient cars and getting something claiming high mileage - anything will do, for some.
The bad news is that folks that wanted to buy an efficient car anyway will now likely just face higher prices and lower selections.
Honda just had their best month ever for car sales and moved 53,299 Civics for the month - also an all time record for any Honda model in one month.
So, I am thinking they will not be too inclined to offer great deals either at the corporate or dealer level.
Dennis
New all-time records set in May included (previous record in parentheses):
American Honda total vehicle sales of 167,997 (August 2007:158,342)
American Honda total car sales of 114,796 (August 2002: 95,686)
Honda Division total vehicle sales of 153,104 (August 2007: 141,906)
Honda Division total car sales of 105,548 (August 2003: 84,390)
Honda Civic Sales of 53,299 (May 2007: 39,993)
Honda Civic Hybrid sales of 4,676 (May 2007: 4,520)
Honda Fit sales of 8,205 (March 2008: 6,835)
Acura TSX sales of 4,564 (April 2006: 3,911)
"The dramatic increase in car sales appears to be one of the most profound shifts in automotive buying patterns in more than a decade," said Dick Colliver, executive vice president of American Honda. "Record sales of the Honda Civic clearly demonstrate an accelerated trend toward fuel efficiency."
Honda Division sales of 153,104 increased 13.9 percent for the month as total car sales reached 105,548, up 30.7 percent. The Honda Civic, with sales of 53,299, set a new monthly sales record for any model in the Honda lineup, surpassing the previous record of 49,098 set in August 2003 by the Accord.
May 2008 Accord sales of 43,728, up 31.9 percent versus last year, set a new May record, surpassing the previous high of 43,589 set in May 2004. The CR-V set a new May mark of 19,959, exceeding the previous record of 19,513 set in 2007. Honda Division reported truck sales of 47,556, a decrease of 11.4 percent. Year-to-date Honda Division sales are up 5.4 percent to 590,361.
Acura Division sales totaled 14,893. Sales of the completely redesigned 2009 TSX sports sedan increased 53.7 percent and set a new all-time record of 4,564, exceeding the previous record of 3,911 set in April 2006.
American Honda reported May truck sales of 53,201, a decrease of 12.1 percent. Year-to-date American Honda sales increased 3.1 percent to 655,819.
(1) All percentages in this release reflect the daily selling rate as calculated with 27 days for May 2008, versus 26 for 2007. Year to date, the daily selling rate is calculated with 129 days for 2008, versus 127 for 2007.
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