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My old Civic got totaled last week
For me, the Toyota dealer is right in town and I can literally walk home from the dealership. Additionally they will pick you up and drop you off. If I ask them, the local dealership will flat bed the car from my house into the dealership. SO... it is actually much more convenient than again the closest Honda dealer.
Sorry to hear about the untimely accident (not that an accident is ever timely)
I really do not know what to tell you about the snow issue, other than I can visualize the issue.
I would totally disagree with you regarding corolla.
Listen both corolla and civic are very nice cars with comparable mpg in same class. Yes ride is different – but soothing like ride is individual preference. Corolla is softer, bit higher and gives quieter ride with simple controls and good safety equipment. My wife has 09 Corolla LE Automatic and I used couple of times. As far as price - she paid ~ high 14k (which included 1k graduation rebate and 0% for 36 month). Can you get equivalent Civic LX for that price?
I just don’t think Honda can compete with Toyota’s corolla as far as price and financing. I personally found Hondas dealers be much more arrogant than Toyotas. By the way they (Hondas mechanics) will pick on your packets when you go back to service your car: have seen in the past how they overcharged and done unnecessary work at least at two Honda places. At the same time at Toyotas mechanics found to be more transparent. One of the reasons I take my Honda to independent folks now: much cheaper and a lot better service.
But, now days, Toyota is reacting quickly to economic conditions by reducing prices and offering 0%... While Honda continue to loose market share with stubborn pricing techniques and some dishonest dealers. – just my two cents.
Again because of great logistic and support services of Toyota (in town) it would have almost been a total no brainer to go with Toyota: IF they would have matched the price and financing. They did not.
So if I were in the market, (and it is conversely a GREAT time to be in the market) shop them both and one CAN pick based on price.
Since that time another local area Honda dealer is/was scheduled to come into the site right next to the Toyota dealer. However, I am sure the current economic situation MIGHT alter the new construction of the Honda dealership.
I also looked at corolla and I got quote of (15.5+275.5+6.75%) including 1K rebate.
In this case, I would go with the Corolla. (16.8-15.5k=) $1.3k buys a LOAD of commute fuel.
( @ 1.69 per gal, 38 mpg/$1,300= 769 gals= 29,231 miles of commuting. )
I don't think that's it. They just don't feel like selling a great product for less than they paid for it.
Unfortunately, I read your post too late!!! I ended up at a local dealer in PA, and spent a few hours there. I ended up paying $22,409 ($22,350 + $59 DMV fees) + tax on an '09 Civic EX-L (auto) Sedan with Navi. I also got wheel locks (woo-hoo!!!).
I traded in my 2006 Sonata V6 GLS with 65000 on miles on it - for which I got $6850, That seemed a lot better than the $6000 I expected after posing a trade-in question in the Read World Trade-In Value forum. They originally low-balled me at $5500 for it.
I think I'm happy with the deal. I'm glad that I didn't buy in August/September when these were going for MSRP+.
What do you think of my deal? Should I be happy?
Enjoy your Civic - ex-l is nice very nice car.
Just remember you can strach your dollar longer by keeping your civic longer than 2-3 years.
I usually keep them for 7-8 years.
Merry Christmas - Happy New Year
God Bless
Here's the breakdown:
Honda VP Automatic 2009, in my choice of color:
15,155 including destination+doc fees+5%tax +registration. They said it was $700 below invoice-I said I don't care. I offered $15200 out the door, paying cash. They refused.
Corolla LE auto 2009: 14,995+doc fees+5% + registration. I offered 14,900 out the door-they refused.
I walked on both dealerships. Disgusted, but not angry.
I'll come back in a week or two. :P
Happy Holidays to all.
Also, for some reason, I've been seeing more and more OTD offers. that's fine but we have no control over tax and license.
You really shouldn't be disgusted. You just need to make an offer that makes financial sense.
Just remember they can not do much about the 5% taxation and registration fees. I am guessing the destination charge is not negotiable also. Bottom line is treat them separate.. Doc fees (unless you have some quirky law/s) are to my knowledge, totally negotiable. If I remember correctly I paid like $25.00 doc fees to sit there and listen to the order writer try to up sell me for the time it took to complete the transaction.
I sucked it up a tad because the finance guy had previously given me a tad over 0% APR financing. So over the life of the 45? some odd month loan , the nearest I can calculate, I paid app $260 interest. plus the $25 doc fee.
To me, that made better sense than an all cash deal as it really depends how much income you can generate doing something else with the money you would have paid for the Civic/Corolla.
Not to go too afar off topic, but one year I bought a vehicle on Dec 23, by the time we got down to the actual car (I wanted to see it) it was parked on literally a back dirt lot and TOTALLY dark. So I didn't really notice the real color until I got it home and in the light of the garage. At that time and date, I was also THE ONLY customer in the showroom. Again this is from fuzzy memory, but the salesman had to do the back and forth talk to the manager routine. Well he brings back a piece of paper with a merry xmas written on it and some further price to talk about and I just said the offer is xx,xxx. Do you want to sell this car to me today (dec 23) @ xx,xxx. so this salesman can bring home his commission? yes/no? merry xmas to you whatever you decide. Then I started to put on my coat. He came back actually pretty quick with a YES!
2008 Civic EX Coupe w/ Navigation (5 speed manual)
Black with grey interior
<100 miles
1.9% financing
So it's basically a left over 2008 model that they are trying to get rid of... We negotiated down to $16,888 + taxes title, etc. This is w/ 1.9% financing as well. Do you guys think this is a good deal? If so, do you think i can negotiate any further for this, or is that it? Anything else I should look for?
Thanks!
I found one just like yours when I was shopping around for $17,005 Plus TTL w/o NAV and with 71 miles. I would say go for it. The reason why I didn't take it is because I read a couple of bad reviews from Borman in Las Cruces that say that at the end they charge you extra for TTL and I didn't want to deal with that kind of people. I ended up buying from El Paso Honda, I got a manual 2009 LX-S instead for $17500 plus TTL. I was sad because I really wanted one w/a moonroof but anyway I'm happy with my purchase.
If you are not in a hurry, I would also recommend to wait until Jan, the word is that Honda will go down to 0% APR once the current offer of 1.99 for 36 months and 3.99 for 60 expires on 1/5/09
I also heard that Honda is planning on going down to 0%. In addition they may reduce prices: like verybody else incuding Toyota and Nissan. I know that they (HONDA) are drastically reducing production, and next step would be to cut prices. Historically January/February is Veryyyyyyyyyy Slowwwwwwwwww in car business and Honda will loose market share big time if they dont put more incenitives. Read http://www.gulfnews.com/Business/Automobiles/10266951.html
GulNews are saying:
" Honda, Japan's second-largest carmaker, last month posted a 32 per cent decline, its steepest since 1981.
Across the industry sales this year are down 16 per cent, led by declines of 28 per cent for Chrysler LLC, 22 per cent for General Motors Corp. and 19 per cent for Ford Motor Co."
I think you can easily draw from this and other data that Honda is LOOOsing market share Fast - propirtionally to other car makers. The only problem is that Honda is very secretive usually and will wait until January 5 in 2009 to maket is known. THey even keep this info from Honda dealers. Their delaers dont have clue what will happen with prices.
Here is good info if you can read Japanese:
http://mainichi.jp/select/biz/archive/news/2008/12/18/20081218ddm002020143000c.h- tml
or shorter version in English:
http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/news/20081218p2a00m0na023000c.html
Happppy Civic shooooopppping in 2009!
1. It's a coupe
2. It has a manual transmission.
3. It's a NAVI
Not a very popular car at all.
BUT, if this is what you like, I would jump all over it@
Honda NEVER tells us what they are about to do until the day it happens. We have heard NOTHING about lowering interest rates.
" the dealers don't have a clue what will happen with prices"
That's true so why start a rumor? I would be shocked if they lowered prices and even if they did, how could they lower them enough to affect sales?
Lowering prices and interest rates only serves to cheapen a great product. These times will pass and things will get back to normal.
I just hope this happen quickly.
thanks for the reply.
It'll be more convenient for him to wait another 2 weeks to see what new deal they come up with. It wouldn't hurt, besides, at least I really don't think that they will do away with their 1.99 and 3.99 APR offer. Worse comes to worst, he will have exactly the same offer as of right now and the 2008 he found, as mentioned by other posters, is a really hard vehicle to get rid off (2008, manual and NAVI) will have to get a price cut for being one year old in 2009.
P.S. the 2008 i found was a sedan not a coupe
Honda does not operate in a vacuum; it is global economy out there. Honda (like any other) car maker (or any other product maker) is competing against others. There are a lot of excellent products on dealer’s lots (Japanese, German, American etc.) Civic is just a car and nothing more. It is not a space shuttle or nuclear weapon that you don’t have many customers for it/them. Market place determines the price, even in recessions.
By the way “Lowering prices and interest rates .” does not cheapen the product – it is one of the ways to promote merchandise that is not moving and nobody wants at the moment (even if it is great car like civic).
As far as “These times will pass and things will get back to normal” will have to wait and see. I am afraid we are in a long one ~at least another 10-15 month. Car business is changing a lot. You have to be blind not notice changing trends.
Many consumers in a last 20-30 month took much longer loans for cars (48-60 month) and can not afford to get new cars anymore every 3 years. In addition are you trying to tell me that it takes 19k to manufacture and sell a car like Civic EX for Honda?
Happy Hoping!
I simply stated that we have no knowledge over what Honda may or may not do in the future.
People have a tendency to believe rumors especially when they like the content of the rumor.
He is giving me out the door price of $18500. I just started looking for it and dont have any idea about the price.
Any idead about the best otd price? or how much i can negociate with them.
Do they provide any free pckg or servicing with the vehicle?
It seems no matter how low a dealer go's on a car, people still want more.
First of all, I have no idea exactly WHY a store would be willing to LOSE over 2600.00 on a new Civic? That is what they would be selling it for. 2600.00 under their invoice.
Yes, this is not a popular combination but they aren't distressed merchandise.
You can always offer anything I suppose.
It would seem they could take it to an auction and get more than that for it!
And what would be a decent OTD price for each of these cars?
Any thoughts about servicing these cars?
mudslinger
Time will tell
My wife had 09 Corolla LE, Auto this summer
Price was $14,800 plus tax and DMV
Nice car, very easy to get in and out, comfortable seats, very quite ride. Very well designed car. Getting about 35-39 MPG most of the time. Very easy to maintain.
For 09 Civic LX Auto you can get low $16k if you shop around. I had one quote for 08 civic LX for $15.5k NYC/NJ area. Civic is a nice car too – but it is still just a Civic.
Honda dealers feel that Honda Civic is younger brother of BMW and will try to sell you for higher price. Don’t fall into it – it is still a Civic and will remain to be a Civic – which is very comparable with Corolla. It is seated a bit lower than Corolla and takes more effort to get in/out. Also, it has more noise in CIVIC than Corolla. You will hear all gears going from 1 to 5 in Civic while Corolla more quite/smooth. Having said all that, Civic is still a good car. It will have about same resale value in 5-6 years as Corolla depending how well you take care of it. The other thing is that Corolla LE will split rear seat 40/60 for skis, etc. while Honda dealer will tell you that rear seat split for Civic is a “luxury” upgrade and will ask you shovel extra $1200-$1300 and go to EX model.
I would suggest you request quotes on Edmunds from few zip codes around you and let dealers compete for you. Some of the largest dealerships get bonuses if they meet certain quotas selling cars, - they will usually give you the best deal. You have to “fish” for those guys. Don’t expect good services (or treated well) at those large places – but they probably will give you lowest price. Make sure you confirm that price includes all junk fees and destination but tax and DMV. Be clear that you don’t want THEM to waist YOUR time – and most will understand. Also, be Very Firm and Suppress_Your_Emotions when they show you that NEW CAR.
As far as service – the best service you will find is at Independent garage. Honda likes to pick your packets when you go for service. I brought in my 02 Honda Odyssey for cooling coolant flash last month. It took them 1.5 hours to do it and in addition to flashing my coolant, my visit resulted in SRS light coming on after I draw few miles off the dealership. Nice try - I am an engineer and can troubleshoot car computers very quickly. It took me few minutes to find “disconnected seat belt sensor connector” under passenger seat and then few more minutes to reset SRS at MES connector. Some Honda dealers think that all customers are stupid and will believe everything they say/do. Apparently not all customers are that way – there are plenty of smart too – so please treat us with respect and we may go back to you! Maybe!
Good luck, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.
God Bless.
Thanks in advance!
Sorry, another bad rumor.
Upshot: the Civic may be cheaper to run. overall and for sure is cheaper to run with 10,000 miles OCI's with oil filter recommendations to change @ 20,000 miles. The 04 is at 78,000 miles. I also had to replace the oem tires (rated 23/24 tires on tire rack-thank heavens for the #24 rated tires) @ 74,300 miles.
It is FAR away from my min 4 ea TB/WPchanges @ 105,000 miles goals. (450,000 miles)
NYC Metro area
2008 EX Coupe with Navi (manual 5 speed)
16,888 selling price
+ 8.375% tax + title and other fees
OTD = 18,500 ish.
good deal i think...
Even after a dealer loses a couple of thousand dollars on a car deal, the buyer still thinks they just may have paid too much.
Rest assured, you got an incredible deal that I have no idea why any dealer would do this. Seriously.
Now, enjoy your new car and quit thinking you just might have paid too much.
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On another (more on topic) subject. We are here to learn what other members paid, and hopefully save money if we are shopping for the same car. If you have trouble understanding the desire to pay less for your car, you are in the wrong forum.
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regards,
kyfdx
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thank you
I got a 2009 LX-S manual sedan for 17,500 plus TTL and a free tint. Pretty much in the TX, AZ, NM region was the best price I could get.
I posted last week about my options here in South East Michigan. I ended up getting the car for 17,000 + TTL, for an OTD total of 18,300 (6% tax and a brand new plate which was over $100) which was the lowest I could seem to get around here. I know I am not the world's best negotiator, so I am sure it is not a super 'deal,' but I was happy with the easy transaction and low pressure sales experience.
Happy holidays...
I bought a 2009 EX-L with a manual transmission, Crystal Black Pearl, this past weekend. Got it at Dublin Honda (Dublin, CA) from their internet sales dude. They matched the price from Zag/USAA/Overstock.com - $19,581 (which includes destination fee). It's about $300 under invoice - I didn't want to have to negotiate in person. With San Francisco sales tax running at 8.5%, my OTD price was $21,458.
I generally liked my sales guy, he was low pressure. Just pissed that he conned me into signing a credit check form, even though I came in with my own financing. 'Business manager', AKA F&I guy, was getting frustrated that I wanted to understand everything on the form I was signing (he was not my favorite).
Anyway, I was the first person to drive the car, took it home last Saturday, now I'm @ 380 miles. First tank got 33 MPG combined, though I do mostly highway driving. I'm happy with my purchase!
With Honda offering rates at 1.9 for 36 months and 3.9 for 60 months, I'm surprised you would use your own financing!
Enjoy!
Negotiated down to 15,800. What do you guys think? Decent deal?
I am planning on buying a 09 Civic LX Auto Sedan, and I have the best internet quote from Dublin Honda. I read some really bad reviews on the web about Dublin Honda's sales force. I am dealing with a guy called Tito Perez, and wanted to know who your sales person was, and did you have to watch out for anything else.
It is encouraging that you had a positive experience.
Thanks
Good my 2-week search ended. Happy Holidays to all!