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Wish I knew about it a week ago. All the dealers down in the South Bay are putting at least $2k over stickers for LX and EX sedans. Don't seem to mark up the coupes at all dealers though.
Some of the dealers who quoted like $500 over invoice are not answering any more and one guy claims prices have gone up tremendously.
Most dealers do seem short of inventory on the sedans so maybe Honda has stopped production leading to a supply shortage but high demand in the face of high gas prices.
Meanwhile you see Toyotas and Mazda 3s discounted or advertised as such anyways. Seems like you can get $1500-2000 less than the Civic on those models.
Anyways, I deposited the money I would have used for a car in a CD so I can't buy for a couple of months. No way I'm paying close to sticker for a 2006 when the model year is almost over.
Maybe 2007s will command crazy prices too.
Car is at a dealer in NC. I am in TN (440 miles from car).
I offered $12,000. Dealer counter offered "$14,578.00 out the door that price includes all tax tag and fees".
Being in another state, that doesn't mean too much to me, does it? I won't get tags there will I? Or is that for a temp tag? And won't pay tax until I get my tags here.
And I know some people refuse to pay the Doc fee, but especially this being a used car, should I have to pay a Doc fee? And there should be no Destination fee.
Should I ask them how much the fees are or just decline their offer?
Also, what are the chances of me getting them to close to $12K? Or at least $13K or below including TTL/fees?
I know another dealer told me they just sold a similar model, actually a better car (2005, 17K miles), for $13,995, and their listed internet price was $15,900.
It'll cost me probably $300 or so to fly there and drive it home too.
You have some good questions. You definitely need a breakdown of the prices. It smells a bit fishy.
First, you pay tax for your state, county, and sometimes city. I doubt they figured it according to your situation.
Second, document preparation/document fees are not usually negotiable. Sometimes you get lucky at $45 or you don't at $249 or more.
Third, there should not be a destination fee on a used car.
That fee was paid by the first owner.
Fourth, I'm not sure about the tags and license. Call your local DMV to get the real deal.
Fifth, I would think long and hard about buying from that far away just in case something goes wrong.
Roundtrip
Are they offering to give you a trade-in value = what you paid for it for your non-NAV Si? If not, that NAV is going be be mighty expensive.
Don't forget, there are some expenses that you'll be duplicating - things like registration, and if you financed, you may have some kind of fees to pay to register the loan (at least in Florida, there's a charge for that). I don't know about California, but in Florida, they subtract the trade-in value of your trade from the car you're trading it in on, so at least you don't pay full sales tax twice. Is it like that in California? If not, you're paying sales taxes on two vehicles.
I'd be very careful, if I were you.
Worry about yourself. Will they give you what you paid for it?
Remember the old saying: "If it seems to good to be true, it is!".
Honestly, new Si's are around, if you look. Even used ones are available. I saw one at a Toyota store yesterday. It was Hab red; the first time I'd seen that color.
Anyway, I would SERIOUSLY question the deal they are proposing to you. There's no reason for them to NOT suggest you trade it in, if you're willing to take a bath on the trade-in value.
Be very careful.
roundtrip, I've sent to replies to your reply this morning but neither showed up for some reason. Lets try this. Retyping from memory...
So I assume you're agreeing with what I thought was the case, that I pay no tax at the dealership in another state?
I just didn't think buying a used car would require a Doc fee, but I guess so. I do know some people can get out of a Doc fee, even for new cars. Now that I remember, I was able to get out of mine with my last used car. But if I can't get out of it, what is a fair/low Doc fee some dealers charge that I could try to negotiate for?
Obviously I would get my permanent tags in my state, which is when I would pay some or all? tax. But do I pay the dealer for a temp tag? How much is fair for that?
And what about Title (as in TTL)? Is that separate from the Doc fee?
I realize that buying a car that far away is risky, but I've been looking for a couple months and there is very little around here, and those that are are way overpriced.
What do you think I can get this car for?
and was about to buy a Scion Tc.Driving the Tc
it was not responsive to the throttle when exiting a turn and the salesman said it was normal because of the computer. I went across the street to Honda and they had one Civic EX
coupe that just came in, drove it and loved it.
Paid msrp with wheel locks,and mudflaps thrown in but they did give me $1500 over ACV for my
trade, not a great deal but the car is nice.The only other car of choice was VW Rabbit but its
terrible reliability turned me off.
people stretch their debt load to get Bemmers,Audis,etc. but
I feel comfortable with my load.The Civic EX is an economy
car in a Tuxedo but still economy (but $19000 is not cheap).
I thought I wanted a FIT but since none are available and the Civic is rated 30-40 mpg I went that route.What are real
world MPG.My Sorento got a steady 15mpg commuting and 20
open highway.Can I expect 30 with the Civic under the same conditions? I think I liked the interior of the Civic better than Scion but the Scion has more power thus only 25 MPG city.You can't go wrong with either.
I've had an aftermarket Nav unit for 2 years and there is no comparison. The screen is much bigger, voice commands, quick sync to the satellites. The Civic Navi also has a PC Card slot so you can easily turn it into a 4GB MP3 player.
lot of dealers in nva. our experiences w/ them vary. remember, the va dealers will try to charge you on average $289-399 processing vs. maryland dealers, who are capped at $99, so look at the final transaction costs when deciding.
there are some high volume dealers in MD, not too far away as well. for instance, ourisman in bethesda, hersons in rockville, college park honda, sport honda in silver spring.
the ones i can think off the top of my head:
browns arlington, bill page-
these are 2 of the smaller ones, so they don't get as much in stock. from our experience, this translates into them holding out for higher prices/profit on each unit they have, especially on hot cars like civics.
so on average, it will take them longer to sell a civic, for instance, than other dealers, because they will hold the line on price at a much higher point. browns used to also be a costco dealership, not sure if they are anymore.
to give you an idea, when we went to bill page this summer, they had "market adjustment" charges on the window stickers of $2000 on almost all the cars on their lot, including accords. add to that, wheel locks for $199 or $299, i can't remember exactly.
landmark, fairfax honda-
both of these belong to the rosenthal chain, which has its fair share of critics. over the years, i've heard a lot of complaints about rosenthal dealers in general, not just honda dealers.
but these two will give you a good amount of selection of colors and trims if you haven't decided. just look out for hidden fees and extras, if their reputation holds true. fairfax is also a costco dealer.
honda of tysons corner-
this also used to belong to rosenthal, but they sold it to a national chain last year. in the past, it had a reputation a a high volume, high pressure dealer. i don't know how much the culture has changed. when we were looking for a civic a few months ago, they surprisingly did not have any in stock, while fairfax honda had about 15.
leesburg honda-
it's a real small dealership, right near the outlets, past lansdowne. it has a retro look and feel to it, but turns out they are an Auto Nation dealer. i think a much needed renovation is surely in the works. they may not have much in stock, so check their website for inventory before you make
the trek out there.
sheehy alexandria, manassas honda- sorry, i can't help w/ these. i've never been or don't know anyone who has been there.
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Honda Division Posts July Record and Second-Best Month Ever
TORRANCE, Calif., Aug. 1 -- Posting increased sales of its best-selling Accord and Civic models, American Honda Motor Co., Inc., announced record July results of 151,804 Honda and Acura vehicle sales, an increase of 10.2 percent over July 2005. American Honda posted July light truck sales of 67,853, up 11.0 percent for a new all-time record, while year-to-date American Honda total vehicle sales of 893,031 were up 7.5 percent on a daily selling rate basis.
The Honda Division posted its seventh consecutive record month of total sales, delivering 133,601 cars and light trucks to consumers; an increase of 12.7 percent over year-ago results. A new all-time record for light trucks of 63,049 units represents a 12.9 percent increase over same period last year. Record months for the Pilot, at 19,490 units, and the Odyssey, at 18,322 units, reflected increases of 37.6 and 10.7 percent, respectively. The Ridgeline also posted record July results, up 15.5 percent with 4,345 units sold.
As demand continues to outpace supply for Honda's small car lineup, the Honda Civic sold 28,607 units for a 6.2 percent increase, and the all-new Fit sold 3,135 units. Accord sales increased 9.5 percent to 38,043, and Honda also sold a total of 3,268 hybrid vehicles helped by record July sales for the Civic Hybrid of 2,673 units.
The sales stats tell us that new Civics are popular (i.e., many people are buying them).
Unfortunately, the sales stats do not seem to tell us whether the prices are going down. The prices will go down if the supply/demand ratio increases. I do not know how to gage the changes in demand. It might go down when 2007 Civics are on the horizon, but there are many other factors that can swing it either way.
Does anybody know how to get information on the supply side? That is, is Honda increasing production of 2006 Civics now, keeps the production levels steady, or decreases them?
Thanks,
RamusNee.
car + dest: $17400
Plus 3% tax: $17922
Plus 39.50 DMV fees: $17961.50 OTD price
Sound reasonable?
"As demand continues to outpace supply for Honda's small car lineup, the Honda Civic sold 28,607 units for a 6.2 percent increase, and the all-new Fit sold 3,135 units. Accord sales increased 9.5 percent to 38,043, and Honda also sold a total of 3,268 hybrid vehicles helped by record July sales for the Civic Hybrid of 2,673 units."
Maybe Honda has some kind of production problems which could have resulted in more Civic sales, especially relative to the more costly and outdated Accord.
You can ask about used prices here: Real-World Trade-In Values
Or... you can research your price here:
2004 Honda Civic
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"especially relative to the more costly and outdated Accord."> I actually put down a non-refundable deposit of $250 on a Civic, I ended up buying the Accord!
I felt like a worker in a Civic and felt like a CEO in the Accord :-))). It is a class up.
I have a CIVIC EX on hold (4 door sedan). It's a total of $18,593 OTD (no sales tax as we're Oregon residents). This sounds like it's good to me. It's Galaxy Grey, Manual transmission. Would like to know if this sounds good. Buying it on my own as my husband is deployed to Korea right now. Thanks!
Which state and which dealer?
I HAVE BEEN WANTING TO PURCHASE AN 06 CIVIC SEDAN LX MANUAL AT AROUND $16,300-16,500, WHICH I FEEL IS REASONABLE EVENTUALLY. CHECKED INVOICES OF KBB AND EDMUNDS AND GOT CONSUMER REPORTS NEW CAR PRICING REPORTS TO GET BOTTOM LINE PRICE. THE ASKING PRICE I WANT DOES NOT INCLUDE TAX, LICENSE, AND FEES SO OBVIOUSLY WHAT I'LL BE PAYING FOR WILL BE HIGHER.
I LIVE IN WASHINGTON STATE, WHERE THE CIVICS HAVE BEEN SELLING LEFT AND RIGHT AND HAVE BEEN SELLING SUCCESSFULLY AT $17,000 SO REALISTICALLY, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, I WON'T BE ABLE TO GET ONE. MY ADDED PROBLEM IS THAT PRODUCTION HAS STOPPED IN THIS STATE ACCORDING TO SEVERAL DEALERS FOR THE MANUALS AND WILL MORE THAN LIKELY HAVE TO GET ONE ON ORDER. I UNDERSTAND THAT 17,000 IS REASONABLE FOR THIS HEAVILY ON DEMAND CAR, BUT I'M NOT WILLING TO SPEND THAT MUCH CONSIDERING THEY WILL BE LAST YEAR'S LINE UP SOME TIME SOON.
HERE ARE MY QUESTIONS:
1.) WHEN WILL THE CIVIC 07'S COME OUT? I KEEP HEARING SEPTEMBER OR OCTOBER BUT IF ANYONE HAS A DEFINITE ANSWER, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
2.) BEING THAT PRODUCTION FOR THE CIVICS HAS STOPPED IN THE STATE THAT I AM AT AND WOULD MORE THAN LIKELY HAVE TO ORDER ONE, DO YOU GUYS THINK I WOULD BE ABLE TO GET ONE AT THE PRICE THAT I WANT SOME TIME LATER ON OR SHOULD I JUST TAKE UP THAT PRICE NOW? MY LOAN FOR WILL BE ACCESSIBLE FOR 60 DAYS SO I WILL BE ABLE TO USE IT UNTIL OCTOBER 9 AND I HAVE $2,200 DOWN.
I AM A LITTLE NEW TO THIS SO ANY HELP WOULD BE GREAT!
Just a little advise about posting in the forums.
The Sandman
Now about the pricing - The sticker was $24,400.00, but since I went I dealt with the Internet Sales Manager, I was offered $17,300 (dealer invoice was $16,800 - so I paid $500 over invoice) - MSRP was $17,500.
Now, I did a couple of upgrades - I added a rear spoiler(with tail light enclosed), fog lamps, upgrades to the EX rims from the LX wheel-coverings, had a Low-jack installed, and purchased an 8yr/120k extended warranty. OTD pricing with all the upgrades was $24,100.
Definitely go through the Internet Sales Manager, to avoid the mark-up of dealing with a salesman.
2) I'm also trying to decide about NAV or no NAV.
lastly,
3) Any suggestions on good dealerships to buy from near San Fran?
Thanks!